2008.07.30 Discuss Jail Visit with George & Cindy

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Am I the ONLY one that sees real hurt and pain and sadness in KC?

Hmmmm... I've only watched 1/2 of the video so far, and there must be way more that I havent' seen, but aren't any of you seeing any real emotion here, shown by KC? I am.

She is talking about missing Caylee, and many times she mentions her and talks about her. I don't know, maybe I'm just looking at it the wrong way, or not seeing the stuff you guys are talking about yet, but so far, other than C&G asking her WAY more than they are, I don't see such a horrible reaction from KC.

What am I missing? What am I not getting?

Going now, to watch the rest ...

Casey's tears, when not trying manipulate and ingratiate herself upon her parents, are for herself, what she is forced to eat in jail, not being able to go home..yadda yadda. Someone tallied the number of times Casey references herself compared to Caylee, she talked about herself over 400 times, and mentioned Caylee just 11 (this was one visit alone). Also, what kind of person nevermind mother, marvels that the reward for a missing child is half their bond? That was brutal.
 
I totally see that Casey is displaying emotion, but I think it's for Casey not Caylee.
 
Don't know which interview it's on, but when CA asks KC "are we in danger"... it's obvious KC is thinking hard for an answer to that... then comes out with "let's just leave it at that".

:liar:CA's questions feed the lie. She hopes KC will say "yes, you may be in danger" so that will validate Caylee's kidnapping.

Unbelievable, the extent to which CA and GA provide fuel for the lies. I would say they don't realize what they're doing... but damn they've been doing it all their lives. Rick's emails to CA couldn't have been more clear, but CA won't concede. Darnedest thing I've ever seen. :dervish:
 
George is a real "yes man", isn't he? Holy toledo... sitting behind CA, letting her drivel on with rediculous questions and statements. It's really too bad. He cleans up so well... looked good going to the grand jury... but sheesh, what a limp rag he is.
 
I don't know .. today I'm confused. She has mentioned Caylee quite a bit, but I do agree that she would normally be livid, if her daughter had been 'taken'.

The only thing that makes sense, is this little girl wasn't killed, is not dead ... but they say they have proof she is, so I don't know. 'sigh'
 
Well, I figure if there's so many other theories out there, can't hurt for me to at least hit on this a bit.

I see 'other' things in these videos.

I don't see her sitting there through that whole time, being able to talk to them about Caylee, them expressing how much they miss her, etc. ... and being so patient and discussing her so personally, if she killed her.

Maybe I'm just blind today, I don't know .... and the last thing most of you want is somebody to defend her, and I'm really not, I'm just telling you what I see and feel, when I watch this.

And maybe the tears are of remorse, guilt for what she did and what she's done to her parents, I don't know. It also sounds like she's holding back allot, not able to say certain things ... and she didn't spill when she was home either, IS there something she just CAN'T tell?
 
Well, I figure if there's so many other theories out there, can't hurt for me to at least hit on this a bit.

I see 'other' things in these videos.

I don't see her sitting there through that whole time, being able to talk to them about Caylee, them expressing how much they miss her, etc. ... and being so patient and discussing her so personally, if she killed her.

Maybe I'm just blind today, I don't know .... and the last thing most of you want is somebody to defend her, and I'm really not, I'm just telling you what I see and feel, when I watch this.

And maybe the tears are of remorse, guilt for what she did and what she's done to her parents, I don't know. It also sounds like she's holding back allot, not able to say certain things ... and she didn't spill when she was home either, IS there something she just CAN'T tell?


Just curious, maybe I am missing something, at what point does kc willingly bring up Caylee (without her parents leading her into it)? far as what kc can't tell, that's simple, the truth.

I haven't once heard kc show any concern or even ask how the investigation is going. :rolleyes:
 
After watching these disgusting tapes, with Cindy and George coddling Casey I have come to the conclusion that Casey actually thought that everyone would forget that Caylee was missing and just move on with their lives. She did not want to share her mom and dad with Caylee and wanted to be the center of attention at all costs. I feel like she is smirking at times when she puts her head down like this is a big game and she's playing it on all of us. If you look closely you can see her almost go into a half laugh. I don't know if anyone else sees it or not. I am truly fascinated with this case because I have seen many, many dysfunctional families and crazy people in my lifetime, but this is just unbelievable. Part of me wants to believe that she is mentally ill, but the sane part of me says she knows exactly what she's doing and thinks its going to work on everyone just like it works on her parents.

Imagine, if you will, this scenario:

Casey's pregnancy is finally acknowledged in her 7th month. The discussion of abortion is negated because of the lateness in term. The Anthony's do what they're best at doing, and that is making the best of a bad situation. So the baby is born, and everyone is attached. Sometimes Cindy is more controlling than others, and sometimes she just cuts loose all support and lets Casey fend for herself. But there is no question that Caylee's role in the family has now become one of "little sister" more than "granddaughter."

A couple years go by, and Casey still hasn't gotten her feet under her to be an adult with a child. The increasing frustration about exactly who is raising Caylee accelerates to an intolerable level, increasing the fighting and bickering in the household. As things get to boiling point, Casey's secret about who Caylee's father is simmering on her tongue. The ultimate hurt for her would be to blurt this truth out once and for all and let her parents deal with THAT!

The "big fight" happens. In the midst of that, Casey lets go her secret. Her mother's anger is white hot. Intense. The fight gets physical with Cindy attacking Casey and calling her every name in the book, Casey swearing at her mother in an attempt to ward her off. In the middle of this fight, Cindy says "What kind of sick twist ARE you??? Why the #%#^ didn't you abort that baby???? WHY WOULD YOU BRING THAT CHILD INTO OUR HOME??????"

And there it sits, hanging like the epitaph it became. Caylee's existence has now become a horror. And in that lull of the conversation, with her mother's absolute hatred for her own existence, Casey decides to take care of it once and for all. Caylee is the elephant in the room they all walked around and never spoke of and now that it's out in the open, she has to go away.

Casey, in her mind, took care of the horrible family secret. Cindy in her mind will do whatever she can to make up for what she said and will play the grieving grandma to the hilt as long as in the end, it is the mystery nanny who is ultimately blamed. George has done his part to hide the evidence. Lee will act like the Sherlock Holmes to prove the family has done everything in its power to resolve this.

And in the end, if they could write the ending, it will all go back to the way it was before that day, back in November 2004, when Casey conceived.
 
Imagine, if you will, this scenario:

Casey's pregnancy is finally acknowledged in her 7th month. The discussion of abortion is negated because of the lateness in term. The Anthony's do what they're best at doing, and that is making the best of a bad situation. So the baby is born, and everyone is attached. Sometimes Cindy is more controlling than others, and sometimes she just cuts loose all support and lets Casey fend for herself. But there is no question that Caylee's role in the family has now become one of "little sister" more than "granddaughter."

A couple years go by, and Casey still hasn't gotten her feet under her to be an adult with a child. The increasing frustration about exactly who is raising Caylee accelerates to an intolerable level, increasing the fighting and bickering in the household. As things get to boiling point, Casey's secret about who Caylee's father is simmering on her tongue. The ultimate hurt for her would be to blurt this truth out once and for all and let her parents deal with THAT!

The "big fight" happens. In the midst of that, Casey lets go her secret. Her mother's anger is white hot. Intense. The fight gets physical with Cindy attacking Casey and calling her every name in the book, Casey swearing at her mother in an attempt to ward her off. In the middle of this fight, Cindy says "What kind of sick twist ARE you??? Why the #%#^ didn't you abort that baby???? WHY WOULD YOU BRING THAT CHILD INTO OUR HOME??????"

And there it sits, hanging like the epitaph it became. Caylee's existence has now become a horror. And in that lull of the conversation, with her mother's absolute hatred for her own existence, Casey decides to take care of it once and for all. Caylee is the elephant in the room they all walked around and never spoke of and now that it's out in the open, she has to go away.

Casey, in her mind, took care of the horrible family secret. Cindy in her mind will do whatever she can to make up for what she said and will play the grieving grandma to the hilt as long as in the end, it is the mystery nanny who is ultimately blamed. George has done his part to hide the evidence. Lee will act like the Sherlock Holmes to prove the family has done everything in its power to resolve this.

And in the end, if they could write the ending, it will all go back to the way it was before that day, back in November 2004, when Casey conceived.

:clap:

Your version makes sense of so much in this case that seems incongruous with what one might expect from the family of a missing child. I tend to believe that this telling is as close to the truth of what has been brewing with the Anthonys for years.
 
Casey says to George "I don't want to see anything happen to anybody, especially because of this" WTH is this.

I think this is exactly where KC's "at" during this stage of her case.

These videos prove (imo) that when KC says the family is "in danger" or "at risk" what KC is saying is that if she admits what she has done to Caylee, their family will unravel, she will be expelled and they will all disband to nevermore.

Remember the part where CA was trying to ask KC if KC was afraid "someone" would harm the family? All KC did was cry (for herself) and blew CA off by telling her she'd have to put it in a letter exactly what she meant.

KC knows Caylee is dead. Like she told the Detectives, she knows CA will never forgive her for that. KC thinks that in order to not be disowned by her parents and left to die on her own she has to continue the lie. At least if she dies she'll die a martyr - never acknowledging what she did to Caylee.

I imagine how we'd all feel if a video turned up showing what KC did to Caylee. What a slap of reality and contrast to all the lies spewing out in these videos.
 
*snipped*
I imagine how we'd all feel if a video turned up showing what KC did to Caylee. What a slap of reality and contrast to all the lies spewing out in these videos.

Good insight in your post, Marlene. I snipped to this last part to say: We already see what Casey did to Caylee. It's all over the faces of her parents.
 
"How are you ?" GA

"I look terrible." KC

KC, not to worry, looks are only skin deep but evil goes all the way to the bone.


As Judge Judy says," Beauty fades. Stupid is forever."
:clap::clap:
 
April, I think your response serves to remind that sociopaths can be very, very convincing. It can be extremely difficult, especially for the occasional observer, to identify the fakery and manipulation.

Heck, I spent a couple of decades living with a sociopath, and it wasn't until I'd been out of his thrall for another decade and a half that I was able to see him for what he was.

Don't feel like you're "missing" something that most people see. The whole point is that MOST people are fooled.

And that's why poor Caylee is not where she belongs.
 
I know this has been mentioned before, but CA's glare chills me to the bone. :eek: You can tell by her look she knows KC is lying.
 
I know this has been mentioned before, but CA's glare chills me to the bone. :eek: You can tell by her look she knows KC is lying.

I was thinking the same thing. She looks like she could easily tear KC's head off her shoulders, but she's going along in order to get some information out of her. She looks trapped into being sweet with KC. The eggshell syndrome again.

The problem with KC is that she is totally delusional when it comes to what an appropriate response to a situation or a statement should be. She cannot be real, because she doesn't have a clue as to real emotions.

Everything she says appears geared to manipulate the situation. The wheels are constantly turning in her head, but the wrong things come out of her mouth. She is totally inconsistent with her general demeanor. She doesn't even know that a real Mommy would be like a caged lioness if her baby were kidnapped.

Most Mothers I know would have to be sedated in order to keep them from going insane about finding their child. No one I know would sit and chirp about eating coleslaw and grits, and reading all day. For those of you who say that KC's perception is that she is now the little girl of the family, who has rightfully reclaimed her place - I agree with you 100%. If you go back and listen to the tapes with that thought in mind, the tapes make sense.
 
I was thinking the same thing. She looks like she could easily tear KC's head off her shoulders, but she's going along in order to get some information out of her. She looks trapped into being sweet with KC. The eggshell syndrome again.

The problem with KC is that she is totally delusional when it comes to what an appropriate response to a situation or a statement should be. She cannot be real, because she doesn't have a clue as to real emotions.

Everything she says appears geared to manipulate the situation. The wheels are constantly turning in her head, but the wrong things come out of her mouth. She is totally inconsistent with her general demeanor. She doesn't even know that a real Mommy would be like a caged lioness if her baby were kidnapped.

Most Mothers I know would have to be sedated in order to keep them from going insane about finding their child. No one I know would sit and chirp about eating coleslaw and grits, and reading all day. For those of you who say that KC's perception is that she is now the little girl of the family, who has rightfully reclaimed her place - I agree with you 100%. If you go back and listen to the tapes with that thought in mind, the tapes make sense.


I got the same impression. KC is happy now that she is back on center stage.
She doesn't realize most normal people wouldn't be eating at all if one of their children was missing.

Looking at CA's glare, I believe it when KC said in her LE interview that she was afraid of her mom.
 
OMG if my daughter (and I do have a daughter) was in this position and I went to see her in Jail this would be my conversation with her.

Listen young lady your father & I and your whole family have been there for you your whole entire life, I am sorry if you feel you got a bad deal or that your jealous of how we interact with Caylee & Caylee with us, but I have about had it with your LIES and STEALING and all the other BS that has gone on. You are done spinning your BS, I don't want to hear any of your BS excuses of why your story is not adding up, I want to know right now what the hell happened to our granddaughter...if you can tell me the truth accident or otherwise we will stand by you as you are held accountable in a court of law for your actions but if you don't tell me and continue to lie we are done and you are no longer my daughter and I hope and pray you rot in your jail cell & then in hell. This it you either come clean with me or you are on your own....what's it going to be??

And if she chose not to be honest then I would walk from the jail never to return again, and I would stand behind the prosocution in court 100% and make it very clear to the media that my daughter is not being truth with me and I will not support her until she does and my main goal is to see that justice is serverd for my granddaughter and that at this point my daughter is no longer a part of my family!!!
 
Okey dokie, I listened to this last night, not the whole thing but most of it. :boohoo: I couldn't get past Casey's lie after lie to her parents and her parents feeding into it. I so wanted to shake her silly and call her on her lies.. :behindbar She was saying how the media is twisting all this around and blah blah blah. I wanted to yell and say, BUT YOU FREAKING LIED AND YOU DIDN'T REPORT YOUR DAUGHTER MISSING FOR A MONTH!!!! There was the smell of DEATH in the trunk of your car, WTF was that about, Casey???? and don't give me any lip service about squirrles either.. geeeez! :behindbar

I believe she was distraught and may even feel a bit of remorse. Why do I say that? because I think she didn't expect it to go this far. I think it has hit her that this is real, and she is the one responsible for it, and most everyone knows it.
 
things I observed from the ga and ca/kc videos

1. by the time ga has his 8/1 video talk with kc "annie" is not to be trusted (witness for the state by this time)
2. Jesse is not to be trusted (scapegoat)
3. ca "did caylee ever spend the night at tone's" kc "no", ca "are you sure?" , kc "no never" (there were nights kc wasnt home and was spending the night with tone, and caylee was with kc, but tone and all of his room mates state that caylee never spent the night, ca is wondering where was she ?)
4. it looks to me like kc is trying to blame "the full sail gang" (tone,nate cam,clint)
5. ca to kc "do you know someone named tia t. that grew up in the neighborhood?" kc "huh?" never heard of her, giggle. ca well she saying I was in a mental hospital.
( I bet the old heart skipped a few beats here, tia is of course kio, you remember the source of the chloroform.)
6. ca to kc "tone told la there were drugs in the apartment. This isnt about something to do with that is it?" kc to ca "no, tone's room mates smoke weed." ( ecstasy, chloroform, ketamine, lsd, copious amonts of alcohol, and a little weed for good measure)
7. as crazy as all of them are I cant get the pix of the crazy look in ca's eyes out of my head, almost like a wounded animal, and I keep hearing ca say, almost in a whisper through the phone "she wont hurt her will she?"

Cindy looks like she is being stabbed through the heart and is begging Casey to say something to give her hope she will see Caylee again.

In all fairness to George and Cindy, I think they desperately want to ask questions but they have been warned by JB they must be supportive if they want access to Casey. George and Cindy probably DID know the truth at that point but it would be hard to not hope they were wrong...especially with the way Casey was playing them.

We have all seen wives make excuses for their husband's indescretions and give reasons why things are not the way they obviously are. To US Casey may be an awful liar. But to someone desperately wanting to believe, the truth isn't real until the liar makes the admission.

I do not believe the Anthony family is giving Casey cues in those videos. At that time, I think G & C were trying to come up with something that could be a reason for Casey's behavior (besides the obvious) and hoping they'd be on the right track and it would spur Casey to aid them toward a happy outcome. Casey is cruelly playing on their hopes so she won't end up "alone" and "abandoned".

Casey is "using" George and Cindy...again.
 
Imagine, if you will, this scenario:

Casey's pregnancy is finally acknowledged in her 7th month. The discussion of abortion is negated because of the lateness in term. The Anthony's do what they're best at doing, and that is making the best of a bad situation. So the baby is born, and everyone is attached. Sometimes Cindy is more controlling than others, and sometimes she just cuts loose all support and lets Casey fend for herself. But there is no question that Caylee's role in the family has now become one of "little sister" more than "granddaughter."

A couple years go by, and Casey still hasn't gotten her feet under her to be an adult with a child. The increasing frustration about exactly who is raising Caylee accelerates to an intolerable level, increasing the fighting and bickering in the household. As things get to boiling point, Casey's secret about who Caylee's father is simmering on her tongue. The ultimate hurt for her would be to blurt this truth out once and for all and let her parents deal with THAT!

The "big fight" happens. In the midst of that, Casey lets go her secret. Her mother's anger is white hot. Intense. The fight gets physical with Cindy attacking Casey and calling her every name in the book, Casey swearing at her mother in an attempt to ward her off. In the middle of this fight, Cindy says "What kind of sick twist ARE you??? Why the #%#^ didn't you abort that baby???? WHY WOULD YOU BRING THAT CHILD INTO OUR HOME??????"

And there it sits, hanging like the epitaph it became. Caylee's existence has now become a horror. And in that lull of the conversation, with her mother's absolute hatred for her own existence, Casey decides to take care of it once and for all. Caylee is the elephant in the room they all walked around and never spoke of and now that it's out in the open, she has to go away.

Casey, in her mind, took care of the horrible family secret. Cindy in her mind will do whatever she can to make up for what she said and will play the grieving grandma to the hilt as long as in the end, it is the mystery nanny who is ultimately blamed. George has done his part to hide the evidence. Lee will act like the Sherlock Holmes to prove the family has done everything in its power to resolve this.

And in the end, if they could write the ending, it will all go back to the way it was before that day, back in November 2004, when Casey conceived.

WOW! I don't know if this is what happened, but you sure nailed a definite possibility. :eek:
 
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