2008.11.05 Nancy Grace

[Truthwillsetufree]

Ya know I've often wondered why Amy had a change of clothes on when she woke up. Do you think Casey actually put a rag over her face or maybe put a crushed up Xanax in her drink. So many, many why's in this case- just hope we get an answer to most of them. But, I'm sure years from now there will still be elements to Miss Casey and her choices in life that will baffle us.:waitasec:

Xanax wouldn't affect a person as to not waking up,remembering changing clothes etc. Folks make Xanax out like some big knock out drug, it isn't. The younger crowd like it because it enhances the effects of alcohol. It is highly addictive. Some people take this on a daily basis to treat anxiety disorders or panic attacks, so I don't believe KC was giving Amy Xanax. I might believe chloroform, as the things I have read, it will "Knock you out". Now, giving it to a 2 3/4 year old, different story. The information states to NEVER give Xanax to a child under 18 years of age. JMO.

http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html

 

[strach304]

You're right we don't know, but this DID come from the defense, not the prosecution. Everything, well most everything IS speculation for us at this point, but it is freaking me out because it is SO HORRIFYING and coming from the defense, plus the forensics, I *believe* something like this did happen. Well, I thought it before, but now....

It makes sense since they are getting more discovery from the prosecution. They now know that there is evidence Caylee was in the trunk dead and the chloroform searches and whatever else investigators have uncovered. That's why that particular scenario was included?

 

[Bree0372]

Not if she says she wanted the chloroform for another reason- for partying, sex, to cure herpes(thats my favourite )
The context of the search is important. If she just googled 'how to make chloroform' then it could go either way. But if it was more specific, like 'how much to give a 2yr old', or 'effects of chloroform on children' or the search before that was how to sedate a child etc- then that would definately show premeditation...JMO

I remember at one point it was said that she searched for "uses of chloroform".

 

[shotzie]

Do you think the Defense got the documents early and it showed how much evidence LE has to prove how Caylee died, that's when the Death Penalty Lawyer got involved and knew he had to start the BS about Casey being bi-polar, depressed or whatever they are going to say.
and was it a Rumor Baez is off the case?

If they don't go after that DP ;I will be :furious: just thinking of poor Caylee in a Trunk is frightening, then whatever else Casey did. It sickens me. She needs to pay.

Then take Cindy and put in jail for all the obstruction she has done, since Lying is a Crime Cindy.


Please get Justice for Caylee and bring her body home for a burial.

RIP Caylee

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Xanax wouldn't affect a person as to not waking up,remembering changing clothes etc. Folks make Xanax out like some big knock out drug, it isn't. The younger crowd like it because it enhances the effects of alcohol. It is highly addictive. Some people take this on a daily basis to treat anxiety disorders or panic attacks, so I don't believe KC was giving Amy Xanax. I might believe chloroform, as the things I have read, it will "Knock you out". Now, giving it to a 2 3/4 year old, different story. The information states to NEVER give Xanax to a child under 18 years of age. JMO.

http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html

She could have also used one of the date rape drugs. They flow like candy in clubs.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Kobi: this is legal strategy but they didn't need to put it in writing

He sees his "expert" fees for court going down the drain.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

It's pretty damn obvious that the Baez Law Firm has no internal communication. One attorney finally points to Caylee being dead by the accidental hand of an over depressed and oversexual young mother while another lawyer states Caylee is alive.

Pass around that Zanax bottle- we're all going to need one.

While their PR man (Todd Black) talks about a dead Caylee.

This is the best example of the right hand not knowing what the left was doing as I have ever seen.

 

[LetJusticePrevail]

Can anyone confirm if I'm correct in that, the prosecution has to reveal whether they're seeking the death penalty by 11/24. That was in NG's show intro and I thought the announcer said 11/24.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

She could have also used one of the date rape drugs. They flow like candy in clubs.

Yes, Rohypnol (sp) Ruffies, I hear are easily available in some club scenes.

 

[EasyGruuvin]

No matter who it is..I cannot honestly see KC honestly telling anyone anything!!! I think the lawyers may have figured it out, but the truth coming from KC..I don't think so

Perhaps she confessed to the clergyman who visited her recently ? Do you think he possibly said the right things to get her to tell him ?

 

[Unsolved]

Can anyone confirm if I'm correct in that, the prosecution has to reveal whether they're seeking the death penalty by 11/24. That was in NG's show intro and I thought the announcer said 11/24.

Yes, in the written transcript of tonights NG show, it does say 11/24:

The clock ticking down on the state`s announcement whether the death penalty will be sought, deadline November 24

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/05/ng.01.html

 

[nancy botwin]

Does anyone think that if KC did use chloroform to sedate Caylee and then left the rag in the trunk she did not realize the rag would kill her. But then again I have heard nothing of a rag in the trunk, unless she got rid of it, only high levels of chloroform in the trunk. I still think Caylee suffered and I cannot deal with the last days of this precious child.

I do think the rag theory is very plausible. I've always believed there's a pretty good chance Casey put Caylee in the trunk and/or drugged her without actually premeditating/intending to cause her death. Even if Casey believes this sort of scenario is an "accident," the law does not. It's still Murder 1, and rightfully so, IMO.

 

[EasyGruuvin]

LP: if we have to drain every pond and gut every gator we will find Caylee

That IS what he said and it made me ill, but the sad fact is, it could be what actually happened to little Caylee , I have feared this all along ,
God bless the child..

 

[EasyGruuvin]

Then you missed my laugh of the night.

When NG massages Kobe's ego by bogusly saying something about him posessing the power and the intellect to refute the evidence-- and he "humbly" says "yes" while tipping his glasses up to acknowledge her "flattery".

Priceless! LMAO.

Cracked me up ! That made my day , he was beaming....

 

[Cara's Mom]

Accidental? After you deliberately buy or make chloroform?

 

[SommerSunshine]

That poor baby, it breaks my heart to think of her there alone and crying, she probably cried out for hours. So where was the car? I cannot believe someone walking by wouldn't hear her.

She would be confused and scared, the sedatives could make her sick and possibly halucinate. I still think she left the pizza for Caylee to eat in case she was hungry while mom was gone and she was locked in the trunk.

The state should do to KC exactly what she did to Caylee. But not kill her, I want her to sit in jail for the rest of her pathetic life and think about what she did! And if she did it for TL what a joke...she probably thought he was going to become some famous rich DJ Rapper whatever and she would be hanging out with stars... Sorry for rambling, this just makes me so upset. :curses:

Does anyone else get tears while typing? I have went through many boxes of tissues the last few months. It is just too sad...:cry:

Bolded by me. Sorry; I'm so far behind on this thread. The answer is yes. In fact I'm sitting here on the couch fighting back tears so my husband won't think I'm crazy. I have a 2 1/2 year old, and just the thought of anything like this at all makes me want to curl up in bed and cry for hours. I can't wait to hug him in the morning.

 

[Cara's Mom]

Are they trying for a PPD defense also? That is pure BS.

Personally, if anyone was going to have PPD it should have been me. My first kid had colic for 3 months. She cried from 10am to 10pm every day. I spent 3 months in a rocking chair with her. by the end of each day, I could easily have pulled all my hair out. I did not have the support system that she had.

Wow, we have lived the same life! I was at my wits end and I too, lacked the support and I got through it-no PPD here!

 

[Mom of Five]

QUOTE=Truthwillsetufree;2905512]Don't cha just hate it when that happens, and then you pass out and you wake up, all your friends are standin' around laughing at you laying there in your wet diaper all hopped up on chloroform.

Yea right Kobi.[/QUOTE]

:smiley4:[ :clap::clap:

 

[butwhatif?]

Yes, in the written transcript of tonights NG show, it does say 11/24:

The clock ticking down on the state`s announcement whether the death penalty will be sought, deadline November 24

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/05/ng.01.html

Thanks for the link...there is some really interesting stuff in there.
One thing has me scratching my head yet again.....

GRACE: Come on. It`s out there. I`ve got it right here, quotes from the memo where they actually say -- first of all, they talk about her risky behavior, a string of relationships with men, spending money she didn`t have, writing bad checks. And they go on to say an unwitting overdose of sedatives may have resulted in Caylee`s death? After they`ve led police on a wild goose chase, lambasted them for not searching for Caylee alive, and now we get this?

Are they talking about the Amy checks?
Didnt she plead not guilty to the fraud charges? If this is in the memo her attys are admitting her guilt while putting in a not guilty plea.:waitasec:
I know Kc used CA's credit cards, but did she use her checkbook too? Did she ever have her own checkbook?
I want that memo!!!!!

 

[DollyPardonMe]

Cracked me up ! That made my day , he was beaming....

I have xray vision and her fingers were actually crossed underneath her desk!
:woohoo: