2008.12.18 - PI James H. Interview

[debs]

I disagree. I think considering the circumstances, the A's behaved with great control and dignity when they were confronted by the protesters. Had they not, huge mob fights would have broken out, which is exactly what the protesters were hoping for, IMO.

Dignity and control? Chilly chilly chilly. Squirting people, going after them with a bat in hand, physically shoving others, scuffling near enough to a child so that the child's arm is caught in a door enough to cause him to scream in pain.....waving hammers, screaming at people.........

I guess it wasn't the OK Corral.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I disagree. I think considering the circumstances, the A's behaved with great control and dignity when they were confronted by the protesters. Had they not, huge mob fights would have broken out, which is exactly what the protesters were hoping for, IMO.

ITA! Each and every one of them behaved themselves far better than I know I would under the same conditions. Those protesters made me SICK- the mothers that brought their children with them- should have those children taken from them! That one lady whose son got his arm closed in the door.. and she didn't even care, she just kept screaming at cindy about what a bad mother SHE is.

I was shocked they were not arrested, throwing ROCKS at their windows?!?! Shoving Cindy and George?!? Aww, hell NO, I'd have been in jail if they touched me! The Anthony's dealt with their anger very well, I have always given them the praise and credit they deserve for that!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Dignity and control? Chilly chilly chilly. Squirting people, going after them with a bat in hand, physically shoving others, scuffling near enough to a child so that the child's arm is caught in a door enough to cause him to scream in pain.....waving hammers, screaming at people.........

I guess it wasn't the OK Corral.

Yeah, but that mother, she's the one who should be watching her child.. instead she is standing in the road fighting with someone.. not even watching what her child is doing. After he closes his arm in the door and falls to the ground crying she doesn't even GO to him, doesn't even stop fighting with cindy to see if her child is OK.. good thing her friend was there or nobody would have cared.

That entire thing was horrible and out of control. I'd walk around with a bat and a hose too if people were throwing rocks at my windows in the middle of the night... though as I have admitted here in the past, I have major anger issues and I'd probably have used the bat if someone shoved me in my own front yard in the middle of the night. yup, I'd be on my way to jail like an idiot. Least all they did was just walk around with the weapons.

 

[i.b.nora]

"The protesters appeared to come onto the Anthonys' property, screaming and cursing, while Cindy was trying to post "No Trespassing" signs that had been torn down earlier.

Cindy's husband, George Anthony, called the Orange County Sheriff's Office to report the incident.

The child of one of the protesters appeared to be hurt when his arm got caught in a car door by his mother as they went to leave.

On Sunday, News 13 spoke to the boy’s father. He said he is doing fine. The mother was unavailable for comment.

On Monday, the Department of Children and Families told News13 that they are starting an investigation into the mother who slammed her kid's arm in the door of her sport utility vehicle.

DCF said they used the license plate in video obtained by News 13 to track the mother down so they can talk to her as part of their investigation."

Grandmother Clashes with Protesters

Let's don't rewrite history. The protesters had no business being there and going on to private property. The kid should not have been there at all.

 

[reeseeva]

Dignity and control? Chilly chilly chilly. Squirting people, going after them with a bat in hand, physically shoving others, scuffling near enough to a child so that the child's arm is caught in a door enough to cause him to scream in pain.....waving hammers, screaming at people.........

I guess it wasn't the OK Corral.

IMO, They provoked it, invited it, stayed outside, conversing with this bunch:waitasec: They stooped to the level of the crowd by engaging in useles rhetoric, just fanning the flames more & by doing so invited more crazies to stop by. Yes the crowd was obnoxious, but I was more disgusted by the Anthonys behavior.....There was No dignity whatsoever displayed by either of them.

If they didn't indulge this bahavior, it wouldn't have escalated to the point it did!

Revisit some of those Youtubes like this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDgcqFglsz4&feature=related

 

[Chilly Willy]

Dignity and control? Chilly chilly chilly. Squirting people, going after them with a bat in hand, physically shoving others, scuffling near enough to a child so that the child's arm is caught in a door enough to cause him to scream in pain.....waving hammers, screaming at people.........

I guess it wasn't the OK Corral.

I'd have done more than squirt the lunatics with water, so it's my opinion that the A's showed great restraint. As for the kid's mother slamming the door on his arm, why was she there to start with? Why did she continue repeatedly to taunt Cindy by calling Caylee Cindy's "f-ing granddaughter". Cindy attempted to reason with the woman and was quite right in telling the mother to take her child home and expose him to something good. Even the kid was yelling at Cindy.

I never, in any video, saw either Cindy or George swing a hammer or bat at anyone. Did you?

 

[Chilly Willy]

IMO, They provoked it, invited it, stayed outside, conversing with this bunch:waitasec: They stooped to the level of the crowd by engaging in useles rhetoric, just fanning the flames more & by doing so invited more crazies to stop by. Yes the crowd was obnoxious, but I was more disgusted by the Anthonys behavior.....There was No dignity whatsoever displayed by either of them.

If they didn't indulge this bahavior, it wouldn't have escalated to the point it did!

Revisit some of those Youtubes like this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDgcqFglsz4&feature=related

The A's provoked it? Did they go camp out at the protester's homes and shout obscenities?

 

[reeseeva]

The A's provoked it? Did they go camp out at the protester's homes and shout obscenities?

They should have camped out in their own home, continually called LE & not Indulged these lunatics! Word got out quickly to others, & "Water seeks it's own Level"

Yes they provoked it! MOO

 

[natsound]

IMO, They provoked it, invited it, stayed outside, conversing with this bunch:waitasec: They stooped to the level of the crowd by engaging in useles rhetoric, just fanning the flames more & by doing so invited more crazies to stop by.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDgcqFglsz4&feature=related

ITA. The A's were out there feeding the beast. I remember watching CA out in the yard, yelling one minute, hugging the next, thinking what the heck is this woman doing??? Why is she engaging these rednecks when her granddaughter is missing?

I don't blame Lee one bit for marching out there and taking a woman's sign, pulling up the memorial, etc. But some of the A's antics were a bit over-the-top.

 

[LisaNY]

I am not an A's fan, by no means, I do not think they assisted in a way consistant with wanting to truly find what happened to their beloved granddaughter. It was apparent they loved her with all that they are. The protesters were SICKENING. I do not know who was worse though, the protesters or the A's. The A's had legal counsel, could they not mutter the words "NO COMMENT"? Besides that, there are neighbors on that block trying to conduct their lives amidst the circus created by the protesters. Instead of being on Hopespring Drive, maybe a more productive way to help Caylee would have been to organize more searches.

That being said, what does this debate have to do with the James H. interview????
I have gone way o/t now myself!!

ETA - it was extremely shameful to empty out the dogs waterbowl, it was a hot day & he was innocent and not there on his own accord.

 

[gogrannypop]

I thought we were talking about the PI interview??? :waitasec:

 

[Spangle]

I disagree. I think considering the circumstances, the A's behaved with great control and dignity when they were confronted by the protesters. Had they not, huge mob fights would have broken out, which is exactly what the protesters were hoping for, IMO.

The protestors was rather decent at first. IT was the A's that created a 3 ring circus out there which begain drawing the crazys to see what they would do next. Then you had a different type of folks showing up to protest.. when in reality , they were just hoping to become part of the crazy story with the A's. Sorry, that mess belonged to the A's. Can't blame it on the orginal protestors or the orginal reason they were protesting.

Sorry, you don't cause a riot, then claim 'poor me' when folks react. That is exactly what the A's were doing. Poking the protestors, then whining poor me.

I felt sorry for them, but in this they where the ones in error. <shrug>

 

[natsound]

ETA - it was extremely shameful to empty out the dogs waterbowl, it was a hot day & he was innocent and not there on his own accord.

Actually no, the woman with the dog should have had the dog in a cooler place, not making a spectacle of herself in front of the A's house with TV cameras everywhere.

 

[Spangle]

ITA! Each and every one of them behaved themselves far better than I know I would under the same conditions. Those protesters made me SICK- the mothers that brought their children with them- should have those children taken from them! That one lady whose son got his arm closed in the door.. and she didn't even care, she just kept screaming at cindy about what a bad mother SHE is.

I was shocked they were not arrested, throwing ROCKS at their windows?!?! Shoving Cindy and George?!? Aww, hell NO, I'd have been in jail if they touched me! The Anthony's dealt with their anger very well, I have always given them the praise and credit they deserve for that!

Wow! Just wow! We seen different things. I never seen folks attack the A's first. I seen the A's attack others. Were folks just suppose to let the A's attack them and not respond?

Same thing with the mother and her child.. Cindy came at her. There are kids that live on that street ,should HRS come and take them all way for being there? The whole thing should have been non-violent. It was the A's that made it violent, each and every time.

I don't understand why folks think it's ok for the Anthonys to attack people and it's just fine.

No, the folks that I feel sorry for, are the neighbors. Who had people standing IN their yard. Not just the public area. Who had cars & vans parked in front of their homes. The A's didn't have folks standing IN their yard. They were on the side walk or the public grass area by the road. That is it! They didn't have folks droping trash in their yard.. Nope, their neighbors dealt with that.

But strangely enough, none of the neighbors treatened folks with hammers and other tools. They didn't rip personal property away from folks. They didn't attack a mother and forcing her back against her auto.. with her sons arm in the way. No, that was Cindy that attacked that Mom.

Wow! Attack someone and still get to claim victim. That is just pretty wild! Wonder where KC gets it? That is the game they played the whole time.

 

[LisaNY]

Actually no, the woman with the dog should have had the dog in a cooler place, not making a spectacle of herself in front of the A's house with TV cameras everywhere.

Yes, that was what I was getting at, if anything throw her water out.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Wow! Just wow! We seen different things. I never seen folks attack the A's first. I seen the A's attack others. Were folks just suppose to let the A's attack them and not respond?

Same thing with the mother and her child.. Cindy came at her. There are kids that live on that street ,should HRS come and take them all way for being there? The whole thing should have been non-violent. It was the A's that made it violent, each and every time.

I don't understand why folks think it's ok for the Anthonys to attack people and it's just fine.

No, the folks that I feel sorry for, are the neighbors. Who had people standing IN their yard. Not just the public area. Who had cars & vans parked in front of their homes. The A's didn't have folks standing IN their yard. They were on the side walk or the public grass area by the road. That is it! They didn't have folks droping trash in their yard.. Nope, their neighbors dealt with that.

But strangely enough, none of the neighbors treatened folks with hammers and other tools. They didn't rip personal property away from folks. They didn't attack a mother and forcing her back against her auto.. with her sons arm in the way. No, that was Cindy that attacked that Mom.

Wow! Attack someone and still get to claim victim. That is just pretty wild! Wonder where KC gets it? That is the game they played the whole time.

Bold mine.

I'd like to reverse that. Were the A's supposed to let people attack them and not respond? Take, for instance, the woman who slammed her son's arm in the car door. Cindy ignored her. Cindy tried to reason with her. Cindy tried to talk calmly to her. Yet the woman, her friend, and her brat mouthed son kept taunting and jeering Cindy trying to get a reaction and finally they did, once they started calling Caylee names. I can not see any way that confrontation can be blamed on Cindy. She certainly didn't start or provoke it. Being in one own's yard minding one's own business is NOT provocation, and it's not starting anything.

 

[debs]

The protesters were pond scum rabble rousers and I'm with you, Chilly and OLG, I'd probably not be sitting here typing, I'd be sitting in one of the less protected cells at OCSO.

However, the Anthonys knew these sick freakshow watchers were out there, and they chose to confront them. The throwing pennies at the window was handled by calling 911. They have been routinely viewed with a bat, a hammer, the hose (a particularly restrained response from George, though the look on his face as he was hooking up the nozzle was a little maniacal),....All I'm saying is that nowhere could any of these actions once they engaged with the crowd can be described as having dignity and control. Dignity and control would mean they never engaged at all.

 

[reeseeva]

Bold mine.

I'd like to reverse that. Were the A's supposed to let people attack them and not respond? Take, for instance, the woman who slammed her son's arm in the car door. Cindy ignored her. Cindy tried to reason with her. Cindy tried to talk calmly to her. Yet the woman, her friend, and her brat mouthed son kept taunting and jeering Cindy trying to get a reaction and finally they did, once they started calling Caylee names. I can not see any way that confrontation can be blamed on Cindy. She certainly didn't start or provoke it. Being in one own's yard minding one's own business is NOT provocation, and it's not starting anything.[/

With respect to this thread, this is going way off topic, Chilly, & we will never agree about CA, but, I don't see Cindy ignoring these lunatics, I say she might as well have thrown herself into a burning cauldron, the way she runs into the street, not her yard, inciting an already angry mob, to what ultimate purpose, other than reducing herself to their level. Yes, I blame every confrontation that I've seen on Cindy, she Fuels it, instead of removing herself from a hopeless situation. In some sick way, she enjoys her own anger!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcd5eukFEpU&feature=related

 

[Chilly Willy]

With respect to this thread, this is going way off topic, Chilly, & we will never agree about CA, but, I don't see Cindy ignoring these lunatics, I say she might as well have thrown herself into a burning cauldron, the way she runs into the street, not her yard, inciting an already angry mob, to what ultimate purpose, other than reducing herself to their level. Yes, I blame every confrontation that I've seen on Cindy, she Fuels it, instead of removing herself from a hopeless situation. In some sick way, she enjoys her own anger!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcd5eukFEpU&feature=related

That is far from being the full video, but even so, you didn't hear Cindy screaming vile things at the protesters at the start of it. In the full video, Cindy is in her yard completely ignoring the women for quite some time and they continue to get louder and more and more foul until finally she reacts. Everything in the middle is also missing from this video - including the part where the large woman calls Caylee names over and over again. If someone called my missing grandchild an "f-ing" anything, they'd be rolling around in the street screaming along with their poor abused child.

 

[OneLostGrl]

The protesters were pond scum rabble rousers and I'm with you, Chilly and OLG, I'd probably not be sitting here typing, I'd be sitting in one of the less protected cells at OCSO.

However, the Anthonys knew these sick freakshow watchers were out there, and they chose to confront them. The throwing pennies at the window was handled by calling 911. They have been routinely viewed with a bat, a hammer, the hose (a particularly restrained response from George, though the look on his face as he was hooking up the nozzle was a little maniacal),....All I'm saying is that nowhere could any of these actions once they engaged with the crowd can be described as having dignity and control. Dignity and control would mean they never engaged at all.

Oh, I agree... I have never felt they showed dignity or had control of their emotions. Neither are true, IMO. I'm talking about the protesters..I think they are hypocrites.. telling Cindy how she should mother, how she should control her daughter, etc. When they themselves were making some pretty poor parenting choices by bringing their children their in the first place, ya know?