2009.01.08 Two Hearings 11:00 AM and 1:30 PM

[3dogmom]

1:30.....hurry up!

 

[FloridaKatz]

But as the judge stated, JB can't argue the civil motion and act as an attorney representing KC in the civil matter, when he doesn't represent her in the civil matter. For that reason, I JB acted with gaul to approach the bench.

JB wasn't up there arguing motions. He wasn't even sitting at the table. He was sitting behind the tabled lawyers, acting as a "confer lawyer". I didn't see him walk away from the bench with his tail between his legs when they all went up there, so the judge must not have minded it too much...

 

[radio]

I agree, I don't think she has a case, period. LE cleared her as soon as they questioned her. This did not make her a criminal, she was never arrested, only questioned. SO her boss firing her had nothing to do with this case. She was the one who chose to do all the media circuit and put herself out there. Her "fame" is her own fault. I doubt if we would ever have known about her, because LE certainly didn't announce her existence at the time.

I agree with this 100%. Plenty of money seekers involved in this and we probably don't even know them all. Everyone seems to want their 15 minutes of fame too.

 

[KAITLAND]

Honestly, I think this case is silly. Casey never said it wasn't THIS Zenaida, she wasn't the one.

Every person sharing that name Zenaida Gonzales could file suit. Especially those living in Florida, New York, Puerto Rico..etc..

The defense has never produced evidence of any other Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales, either in FL, PR, or any other location. This ZFG was at the location Casey claimed in her accusation - the Sawgrass Apts.

Most employers would object to the unwarranted attention of the media, the press, the curious, and the plain nosy people would heap upon ZFG - and I think a lot of employers would NOT hire her...just too much hassle.

If the defense thought the case was silly, they would never have counter-sued. The defense needs to withdraw the countersuit.

 

[mysteriew]

Honestly, I think this case is silly. Casey never said it wasn't THIS Zenaida, she wasn't the one.

Every person sharing that name Zenaida Gonzales could file suit. Especially those living in Florida, New York, Puerto Rico..etc..

Actually I think they should. She didn't say a generic PR woman (which is the usual but I think is bad) but she said a specific person. Potentially that could affect a person by that name. Certainly they would be scared to death by LE showing up on their doorsteps, neighbors friends and relatives questions as well as employer's questions. Fodder for gossip. So I think you can figure embarrassment, distress at being dragged into this. All that could even be enough for some people to be distracted enough on their jobs to cause them to be fired. So if there are others out there, I hope they file.

KC brought up the name and made the accusation. She is the one who should be held accountable for those accusations.

Plus every time this suit comes up in the media it is fanning the flames that this poor woman was harrassed by a child killer.

 

[cocoamom]

Not that I agree, but I think the judge is protecting KC's rights... if they depo her now it could effect the murder trial because of what she states / doesn't state.

It's a shame that innocent people pay because KC's rights have to be protected...

They are still going to get her! Just watch! Now she will lie in writing - much more substantial in court! If they are careful about how they word a question (simple is best), they HAVE to get an answer they can use. Even with JB's help, KC will be sunk!

 

[zoey]

JB wasn't up there arguing motions. He wasn't even sitting at the table. He was sitting behind the tabled lawyers, acting as a "confer lawyer". I didn't see him walk away from the bench with his tail between his legs when they all went up there, so the judge must not have minded it too much...

why was A's atty there???? what purpose was he there for???? tai

 

[tehcloser]

What I see happening is all of the attorney's getting intertwined in this mess and it's going to cause problems down the road. Conway seems intent on being at everything that is going on....just wait there will be problems down the road from this.

 

[FloridaKatz]

why was A's atty there???? what purpose was he there for???? tai

Now THAT is a good question. I don't recall ZFG's civil suit naming the A's as defendants.

 

[beckaroozie]

Wasn't the Judge in this hearing to be Stan Stickland?

Judge Sprinkel was supposed to hear the Civil case, but he retired at the end of the year and Judge Jose Rodriguez is now hearing the case (the softspoken judge)

 

[zoey]

Now THAT is a good question. I don't recall ZFG's civil suit naming the A's as defendants.

just doesn't seem right---especially with the "immunity" thing going on--and sitting and confering with jb??????? :twocents::waitasec:

 

[TigerBalm]

why was A's atty there???? what purpose was he there for???? tai

$$$$$$$

Ok, that just popped into my head but it just might be the real reason.

I was going to say because their homeowner's policy, due to the fact that Casey was living in their home.

 

[zoey]

$$$$$$$

Ok, that just popped into my head but it just might be the real reason.

I was going to say because their homeowner's policy, due to the fact that Casey was living in their home.

Homeowners policy??? :waitasec:

 

[Manny]

Did this ZG always have blond hair? Does she fit in any way the description given by Casey of the imaginary ZG? Didn't Casey not even recognize the photo shown by LE? Does anyone in the case listen to anyone else? Isn't it strange how many peripheral characters appear in this case. So many coinkydinks.
Jmho

 

[bookworm474]

It is incredible to me that CA fell for the ZG story.
It was a way out of dealing with the smell in the car.

Since Casey had in the past faked things, it could be supposed that she faked a death of her daughter, but she could also fake the kidnapping of her daughter.

I find it hard to believe that the FBI isn't interested in the fake kidnapping at the center of this mess. It should not be going on like this. WHy is it???

 

[BeanE]

Now THAT is a good question. I don't recall ZFG's civil suit naming the A's as defendants.

George and Cindy were supposed to be deposed 12/22, then it was postponed because of confirmation of Caylee's remains. It's the only reason I can think of that Brad would be there, but even that doesn't seem enough reason for him to put in a personal appearance.

 

[amethyst221]

In answer to some of the questions above (JMO) JB can confer with the civil attorneys for Casey A and coordinate what they do, but he isn't counsel of record in the civil case and has no right to appear and present the arguments, etc.

As to why BC, the A attorney was there: he shares a common interest in seeing how the court would rule, as the depositions of his clients will be back on the agenda soon. He was sort of checking out the lay of the land. The A's support Casey and her claim of innocence, so they don't want to be examined about all the craziness of the ZG story or anything touching on the criminal case. They are also seeking immunity now. So expect more 5th amendment issues there.

I know people disagree on the merits of the ZG case, so I'll mostly leave that alone. Defamation law is complicated and I don't think her case is totally frivolous. I doubt there is ever going to be tons of money to be had, though money damages are the point of civil suit. I guess one can hope. But in a way, so long as the civil suit is out there, it is a counter to the claims of ZG guilt as a baby kidnapper and killer. Maybe there should be a group libel claim by all the people with that name in Orlando.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

JB had a smug, smirky, cocky look on his face at the end. UGH.

JB always has that look. It's disgusting.

 

[TxLady2]

So basically, the judge's ruling says to me that he favors KC's right over ZFG's right to clear her name ... how wonderful.

It's not KC's rights... it is a matter of ruling according to the law. This civil trial could hurt the prosecution's case, if I understand it correctly, and could make a big difference in appeals later on.
As for ZG, her name was cleared a long time ago. She's the one who is keeping it in the media with this lawsuit. Ridiculous, IMO. Another one for the long list of frivilous lawsuits that keep the courts tied up for years. I doubt very seriously if there is a sane person in this country that could honestly believe she kidnapped Caylee and then killed her, if that is what she claims. She should be suing the boss who fired her or any prospective employer who would not hire her because of being questioned by LE. Lots of people are questioned in all kinds of cases, and then cleared. Do all of them sue over it? Shouldn't every person named ZG be able to sue Casey? If I were her, I would be suing the media. Oh, but she can't... she agreed to go on all the talk shows, didn't she!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

My husband appeared as a witness a few months ago in Judge Jose Rodriguez's court. He was very impressed with Judge R's patience and the fact that he seemed to explain and teach the newer lawyers as he passed his judgements. After the session, DH was given permission to approach the bench and had a quite lengthy personal conversation with him. DH said he feels FL is blessed to have this man on the bench.