2009.01.21 Document Release

[*~Aimee~*]

"the bag". Not a white/gray/black bag, not a garbage bag or cloth bag. Just "the bag". So he's no help with the bag dilemma there.

Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons confirmed the remains were found in a sealed plastic bag along Suburban Drive by a meter reader who called authorities about 9:30 a.m. The utility worker that discovered the remains said a skull rolled out of the bag when he picked it up. Sources said that duct tape was found on the mouth of the skull. A medical examiner took the remains from the scene on Thursday afternoon

http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4711600___article.html/remains_caylee.html ​

 

[ThoughtElf]

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I am not ready to say that yet, although I don't think what he saw in August was really relevant to the case at all. But I am interested in pursuing the angle that someone told the PIs and MR the same wrong spot. This fits in more with the "evidence" from the PI recordings and MR's 911 calls, IMO. I started a thread about it last night but only one person came but maybe once things settle down a bit maybe there will be more discussion.

Bump the thread. I'm in. Your thought is intriguing.

In relation to the first part, I think the order of the bags is most significant from a forensic trace standpoint. If the laundry bag is cloth and was inside the garbage bag at any point, it probably has a plethora of materials to test for decomp, TOD, chemicals, etc.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Lee ALWAYS finds things investigators don't.

That is why he is considered the best at what he does.

It will be brought up during Casey's trial in a way that makes the sheriff's office look less like experts.

IMO

At least he didn't stick the evidence in his pocket this time like he did in the Specter case and forget to give it to the Pros! Also, thanks to him OJ Simpson walked after murdering Nicole and Ron. He really messed up on the blood on the gate, the bronco and the socks at OJ's house. I personally don't think he is one of the best right along with some of the other experts the defense has hired.

 

[VALee]

I agree if you are talking about a baby bottle. In the Father's Day video, Caylee is using a sippee cup.


I think the chloroform search on the computer could have been curiousity after seeing the chloroform ad on her friend's myspace. Don't know if she would have taken that a step further from there, but think if she had there would be more chloroform searches on her computer. MOO.

I say this giving KC the benefit of having a researching process which as we know now, may not be the best assumption, and there was unusual amounts of chloroform in the trunk, so I could be totally wrong.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Hi,
Does anyone have a link to these documents that are downloadble in PDF format? I ususally do this from WFTV site but it appears they have changed the way they are presented so you can not opt to save them to your own hard drive only view them or print them.

Is the PDF format the only format that the documents come in?

 

[Waddles]

I agree if you are talking about a baby bottle. In the Father's Day video, Caylee is using a sippee cup.


I think the chloroform search on the computer could have been curiousity after seeing the chloroform ad on her friend's myspace. Don't know if she would have taken that a step further from there, but think if she had there would be more chloroform searches on her computer. MOO.

but traces were found in the car...

 

[Brini]

PAGE 44 of the FBI document specifically asks for the test. It's been referred to many times in this thread...you must have missed it. Another poster has also posted re the notes that the parentage test results were separate.

All the As submitted DNA for profiling. NO reference to a paternity test for anyone involved in this case are found in any LE document.

This is all about a rumor started by LP. I love the guy, but he "shoots from the lip."

And, you may have noticed that no media picked up that small reference and ran with it? It was also not among NG's "bombshells."

Now, back to the case.

Thanks!

 

[DebC]

I've found a video with Potato Head people. Still looking for hose stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQK700P8nM At 3:12 in the video.

It's hard to watch. :frown:

Very Sad. Take a look at 4:09 and tell me what you see - What is that over Caylee's mouth? Apologies if someone else has already remarked on this, I haven't got to the end of the thread yet.

 

[Brini]

I think the DNA needs to be compared against any DNA found at the the crime scene(s), not Caylee's specifically.

i think you may be right.

 

[*~Aimee~*]

Very Sad. Take a look at 4:09 and tell me what you see - What is that over Caylee's mouth? Apologies if someone else has already remarked on this, I haven't got to the end of the thread yet.

Is it a potatoe head part in her mouth? My children did that? What do you think it is? ​

 

[DawnTCB]

All the As submitted DNA for profiling. NO reference to a paternity test for anyone involved in this case are found in any LE document.

This is all about a rumor started by LP. I love the guy, but he "shoots from the lip."

Now, back to the case.

There is a reference to a DNA Parentage Test Report... I said I suspected it was JG's paternity test but that would involve Caylee and Casey... Who do you think it references if not anyone involved in this case?

On these documents Page 6 what is sent TO the FBI, page 23 what is received BY the FBI, and page 53, what is inventoried by the FBI.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

There is a reference to a DNA Parentage Test Report... I said I suspected it was JG's paternity test but that would involve Caylee and Casey... Who do you think it references if not anyone involved in this case?

On these documents Page 6 what is sent TO the FBI, page 23 what is received BY the FBI, and page 53, what is inventoried by the FBI.

I noticed that Parentage report as well. I am confused as to who requested it for what. We know that JG had one done when Caylee was around 8 months old and that is when he found out he was not the biological father. I feel that even though the released so much information that the most important is missing and will be used at trial.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Nothing collected from AL jeep

I am confused. Maybe I read the report wrong but I also thought that fabric was found in his trunk and other.



Pg9 Anthony Lazzaro's car...test positive for... http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf

Observed two suspected stains on the carpet located in the cargo area. Two sterile swabs were taken. No traces of blood found.

Dry vegetation, bottom edge of the radiator of the vehicle.

Dry leaf under the chassis behind right front tire of the vehicle.

In the trunk 7 pieces of hair were found and 2 pieces of fabric.

 

[DebC]

Is it a potatoe head part in her mouth? My children did that? What do you think it is? ​

I think it is too. It just creeped me out in light of what we now know.

 

[impatientredhead]

There is a reference to a DNA Parentage Test Report... I said I suspected it was JG's paternity test but that would involve Caylee and Casey... Who do you think it references if not anyone involved in this case?

On these documents Page 6 what is sent TO the FBI, page 23 what is received BY the FBI, and page 53, what is inventoried by the FBI.

Page 2 references DNA Parentage Test Report- K1

Page 53- K1 Buccal Sample of Casey Anthony (Items K6 and K7) Right and Left Cheek Swabs.

It is referring to Casey. The only known parentage of Caylee.

 

[amysmom]

Very confusing if you don't follow the catalog system they have. That's how the mistake with the knife came about. On page 3214 of the documents:

Tuesday December 16th, 2008

Art #1, H-51975 (Sealed box)
From the evidence mentioned above I collected the following items:

• Black plastic bag with yellow pull handles.
• Pull-ups "with flower design" collected from backpack "Adorable".
• Stainless steel knife.

It sounds as if he found a knife, pull-ups, and an "Adorable" backpack along with the black trash bag found at the remains scene because of the December date. But, one look at the catalog numbers will tell you that this is the black trash bag that contained items that were found in the car. The black bag that originally contained the items from the car (given to him by Cindy?) has now been put in a sealed box and placed into evidence.
IMO, he retrieved these items from the box to compare them to items found at the crime scene. If so, they have a trash bag from the A's from way back in July and they also have pull-ups that were in KC's car. Why did he retrieve the knife though? Maybe to compare to something they found cut at the scene. I don't know but it's interesting.

This may have been already posted (sorry) but reports like this from the media (WFTV) is causing most of this confusion & not just about the knife..Sheaffer is the station's legal analyst & was on their front page re: the doc dump.

Sheaffer said the public might never find out why a stainless steel knife was found with the body.

 

[Indigo]

I agree if you are talking about a baby bottle. In the Father's Day video, Caylee is using a sippee cup.


I think the chloroform search on the computer could have been curiousity after seeing the chloroform ad on her friend's myspace. Don't know if she would have taken that a step further from there, but think if she had there would be more chloroform searches on her computer. MOO.

Casey searched "how to make chloroform" and then went further to search for the individual ingredients "acetone," etc. This fact, in addition to the high levels of chloroform in the trunk and finally Caylee's remains being found with duct tape around the mouth area, strongly suggest that chloroform was somehow involved in Caylee's death.

According to the search warrant, LE was looking for any container that could have been used in making chloroform. I'm thinking those gas cans could hold some important evidence...

 

[amysmom]

I am confused. Maybe I read the report wrong but I also thought that fabric was found in his trunk and other.



Pg9 Anthony Lazzaro's car...test positive for... http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf

Observed two suspected stains on the carpet located in the cargo area. Two sterile swabs were taken. No traces of blood found.

Dry vegetation, bottom edge of the radiator of the vehicle.

Dry leaf under the chassis behind right front tire of the vehicle.

In the trunk 7 pieces of hair were found and 2 pieces of fabric.

When I was reading it yesterday (on WFTV) I thought it said the fabric sheet was found between the (back?) seat of TL's car..Some others did too & it's because of the way the reports were filed..I plan to be far more observant with the next dump to avoid this same problem.

 

[DawnTCB]

Page 2 references DNA Parentage Test Report- K1

Page 53- K1 Buccal Sample of Casey Anthony (Items K6 and K7) Right and Left Cheek Swabs.

It is referring to Casey. The only known parentage of Caylee.

The buccal swabs from KC and the DNA Parentage Report are separate items.

See my post here.

The item numbers change when they are inventoried by the FBI and the last page includes a cross-reference of what they were named by OCSO and what the FBI labeled them. There are a few other items that end up with their item numbers changed by the FBI. For example, a comb sent as item K-4 (on page 6) is listed on page 53 as "Q-16 Comb (Item K-4)".

 

[*~Aimee~*]

I wish we could copy and paste ggggrrrr


Anywho....

Wednesday July 23rd, 2008

At approx 1522 hours Det YM informed me that there was a vehicle that he wants me to inspect for any additional evidence related with this case. Mr AL arrived at the forensic garage with the vehicle: 1997 Jeep Cherokee

I proceeded to photograph the exterior and interior for documentation. I inspected the interior of the vehicle by using an ultra lite ALS. I observed 2 suspected stains on the carpet located in the cargo area. I took 2 swabs samples using sterile water from the suspected areas. Presumptive blood test was performed. No reaction for blood was observed.

Auto Theft Garage
At approx 1613 hours I moved the vehicle from our forensic garage to the auto Theft garage in order to put the vehicle on the lift to check underneath the vehicle. I proceeded to photograph underneath the vehicle for documentation. The following pieces of evidence were collected.
Then the times of the evidence collected were 1628 and 1629 hours (so within 15 minutes of having AL vehicle in the air)


then they took the vehicle back to the forensic garage to do the trunk?? But there is no trunk in a jeep only a "cargo" area.


I am sooooo confused. I wonder if we called them LOL OH BTW can you explain this to us WS in their spare time. Yea right.

Can you see what I am picking up on and why it is confusing me. I am not trying to argue I am trying to understand it. Maybe my head is thick and you need to pound it in me?? ​

Now I understand this (Thanks to DawnTCB)

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html
This that Dawn showed us is what was submitted to FBI. Well on page 3284 is articles 9 and 10 that look like from AL vehicle and it says specifically Casey's car there. So this should clear up the info that is wrongly written. ​