2009.04.13 State To Seek Death Penalty For Casey Anthony #3 POLL ADDED

[texaslb218]

The former inmate stated that Casey's regular cell was above her (unknown as to which side or if there even was another side of the unit or if the cells are in one row), and that she had "peeked" into it and it was considerably smaller than her own cell. I can imagine that from time to time the inmates would need to move around the unit to use showers/go to medical/go outside, etc. This seems plausible to me.

The "time out" room/table was obviously not in Casey's room, since it was a concave-type table. It could very easily be located somewhere else within the unit. These types of mattresses are commonly used to reduce injury in psych time-out areas: http://www.medicalsearch.com.au/Products/Concave_Mattress-24918.

As far as the former inmate conveying precise details, maybe it was because she was there and witnessed the entire thing?

The NE is very particular about fact-checking especially with witness accounts of this type. It's why you so seldom have seen them successfully sued, considering they specializing in printing fringe stories.

Just my 2 cents.

I really hope you are right. I wouldn't mind thinking that this is all true. It gives such a view of an ego-centric person.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think Casey deserves the death penalty. If she gets LWOP she will adjust to that life and probably do just fine. I know that the majority of the women in prison have children that they love and miss. They will probably give Casey a real hard time but all she has to do is get a big tough con for her lover and that person will protect her. She can also buy people off by giving them what they want from the commissary. If enough dumb people keep sending her money she will have plenty of goodies to share to buy people off. I hope the money stops when she goes to prison and her name drops off the face of the earth. That way she won't be able to buy people off.

I just hope that the video of Caylee singing is played in court. The jury will hate her if they see that video. She deserves no less then what she gave Caylee. Casey just won't suffer like Caylee probably did and that is a real shame.

 

[Kentjbkent]

As far as the former inmate conveying precise details, maybe it was because she was there and witnessed the entire thing?

The NE is very particular about fact-checking especially with witness accounts of this type. It's why you so seldom have seen them successfully sued, considering they specializing in printing fringe stories.

Just my 2 cents.

That could certainly be the case, but once again, a player in the KC saga takes a weird turn towards coincidence...

I am sure the Enquirer found it just as easily, but a quick google of this former inmate reveals that she was an RN in Winter Park in 2003, but had her license suspended due to an issue involving "sobriety"

 

[NSS]

This story was enquired about and the jail staff denied it.

I'm sure the NE are reliable, but only as reliable as their 'source' who in thia instance is a drunk, ex nurse, ex inmate, likely needing a buck or two.

I stand by original POT of 1.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Anyone know what these mean?

6/5/08 Violation Warrant Issued Returnable Instanter Bond PTE Mental Health (signed 6/3/08)

4/13/09 Mental Health/Pre-Trial Release Rejection

 

[cyn0matic]

That could certainly be the case, but once again, a player in the KC saga takes a weird turn towards coincidence...

I am sure the Enquirer found it just as easily, but a quick google of this former inmate reveals that she was an RN in Winter Park in 2003, but had her license suspended due to an issue involving "sobriety"

The veracity of the source is one thing. After all, this source was in prison -- for some reason or another. The source would have had plenty of free time in there to fantasize up a convincing tale.

But let's say, hypothetically, that the source is telling the truth. If that is the case, then what does KC having a cow about DP mean? Why would she be so "pissed"?

1. JAB would have to tell her that he could no longer be lead attorney.
2. Her / their strategy of deny, deny, deny, at all costs, forever, is of questionable merit with the death penalty looming in the air.
3. The reality of being in prison has got to be wearing on her. In the very best outcome, she's going to be there *forever*. There's nothing to do but build ever crazier castles / cases in the sky for appeals. This might be fun, in the way crossword puzzles are fun; but being in a teensy cell for most of that *forever* -- I'd be flailing and hollering too.
4. what else?

 

[MAMABEAR]

As the poster pointed out, the plexi glass would have to be the floor/ceiling of the two inmates if CA were above her. She sounds so intelligent that it is hard to believe that it is all BS. No telling ... except the "above me...looked in her cell" part.

Hey there!

What I was wondering-the video stops and they put words on the screen (don't member what words) then the girl comes back on--what kind of bed is she talking about? She said something about it not being a bed you could sleep on. Maybe they took her to another room?

Also, she said she had watched them discipline another phyc. patient. WHAT? Calling KC a mental patient? JB pay this girl to say that?

 

[Kentjbkent]

Mamabear,

I suspect this is just another player making a quick buck. If you google her married name, you will easily find the document where her nursing license was revoked in 2003 for what it sounds like is some type of addiction problem (future sobriety is mentioned should she wish to to try to gain her license back).

A quick check of the OC Clerk of Court website under same married name, shows she was arrested in 2005 for a crime committed in 2004 for basically the same charges as KC involving Amy's checks. This woman uttered someone else's checks for quite a bit of money (in the thousands) and was ordered to pay restitution to her victim (on top of jail time, etc).

The court documents are continuous from the time of arrest to current. She was jailed again in April of 2009 for violation of her probation. Mental health is also mentioned in two documents, one in 2008 and one in 2009.

Go back and rewatch the video on Radaronline. When she describes the "scene" with KC with such vivid details, I now believe that she was describing a scenario that happened to HER, but she saw an opportunity to use KC to make some quick money. (Notice how she gives such profound details about the "couch" and number of attendants, etc.) I also doubt that the jail psych section is set up to viewable by other inmates.

Her credibility seems questionable and I wish I could say I am surprised that the Enquirer and Radaronline did not take the 3 minutes it took me to find this (but they probably did...and $$$ again overruled logic.)

 

[nobull]

O/T:

Lots of healthcare professionals have addiction problems, more than you may think. The institution only has to take a urine test the week after any long weekend if they wish to eliminate a good portion of their workforce. The difference in this case is this particular RN got caught.

That said, I'm not saying it's right to have a drug/alcohol addiction as a healthcare professional, but I'm not for re-condemning someone for past sins, either. If you only knew what a nurse needs goes through to get reinstated by the Board of Nursing in most states (all out of pocket) after they are suspended for being an impaired professional, you may have a better understanding why it was probably financially not feasible for her to return to nursing.

Furthermore, many doctors also have addiction problems, but they usually protected by their medical directors and sent away to cushy "Club Med" type treatment centers, often completely paid for by their institutions.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread!

 

[Kentjbkent]

O/T:

but I'm not for re-condemning someone for past sins, either.

Oh, but I am not condeming her, but only calling into questioning her credibility in the version of her story that she sold to the Enquirer and Radaronline.

Unfortunately, the medical field is not the only that has problems with addictions. For example, my husband is employed by a corporation that involves pilots, and you see your share of addiction issues there as well.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Mamabear,

I suspect this is just another player making a quick buck. If you google her married name, you will easily find the document where her nursing license was revoked in 2003 for what it sounds like is some type of addiction problem (future sobriety is mentioned should she wish to to try to gain her license back).

A quick check of the OC Clerk of Court website under same married name, shows she was arrested in 2005 for a crime committed in 2004 for basically the same charges as KC involving Amy's checks. This woman uttered someone else's checks for quite a bit of money (in the thousands) and was ordered to pay restitution to her victim (on top of jail time, etc).

The court documents are continuous from the time of arrest to current. She was jailed again in April of 2009 for violation of her probation. Mental health is also mentioned in two documents, one in 2008 and one in 2009.

Go back and rewatch the video on Radaronline. When she describes the "scene" with KC with such vivid details, I now believe that she was describing a scenario that happened to HER, but she saw an opportunity to use KC to make some quick money. (Notice how she gives such profound details about the "couch" and number of attendants, etc.) I also doubt that the jail psych section is set up to viewable by other inmates.

Her credibility seems questionable and I wish I could say I am surprised that the Enquirer and Radaronline did not take the 3 minutes it took me to find this (but they probably did...and $$$ again overruled logic.)

OK--------thanks. I git it now. Sounds good to me. But then again---she looked very believable. Way more so then CA/KC/LA/JB (all ovem LOL) Will chew on this for awhile but sure sounds straight up to me---what you said. :blowkiss:

 

[MAMABEAR]

Sheet, ya'll are so smart.:blowkiss:

 

[Kentjbkent]

But then again---she looked very believable.

Yeah, that was my initial impression when I first watched the video, but then I watched it again and really listened....and the hinky meter went off!

I think we would all really LIKE to believe that when KC was told that the DP was back on the table that she panicked and raged, and had to be subdued...that we FINALLY heard that she reacted to SOMETHING...

But I don't think so anymore. I think she probably showed NO reaction, very similar to every reaction she has had since "day one", sans her getting "I'm so pissed" at CA during the jail visit (which is where this lady may have pulled that quote to add to her story)

 

[Kentjbkent]

(PS....and right back at ya! :blowkiss

 

[iamkimba]

After watching this interview online I am really skeptical.
She seems credible, yet her descriptions don't make sense.
They took Casey's leg restraints OFF when she started pitching a fit?
Casey is allowed access to gen pop?
Her descriptions of where they took Casey seems contradictory- they took her downstairs? Upstairs? Where exactly was Teri's cell located that Casey could look inside her cell on her way upstairs/downstairs?
She said nothing other than I'm pissed..and random screams?
How could Teri see inside the psych holding cell- with the strange concave bed- from her cell- which was by her account above Casey's. Where is the psych cell in relation to Casey's cell?How could she then see inside Casey's cell to see the makeup and munchies piled on the bed, and the shine to Caylee with the crafty black flowers, if her cell was above Casey's?
although this woman sounds credible by her demeanor, I believe her words don't ring true.
I am of the opinion, as are other posters that she knows these things happened- or happen- but likely they are her own experiences recounted as Casey's.

 

[shgrbkr]

I see what you are getting at now..that wording struck me also the other day. They did specifically say something about evidence discovered after the remains were found. I assume it is the duct tape as well - I dont think even KC was dumb ennough to leave a goodbye note or anything. but there could be other prints or something worse than duct tape with a heart sticker on it cause we sure werent expecting that...I think til that info I secretly held out hope it was an accident just so caylee didnt have to suffer although duct tape certainly ...well, I just cant say it

I wonder if COD really matters so much, I dont recall if it was in reference to this case or some other I read a prosecuter saying "I dont have to prove motivation OR a COD, I only have to prove it happened and that so and so did it"


...because at the end of the day, there were only bones cause momma wouldnt "crack" and confess, so let her baby rot under water for 6 months - which is plenty bad enough.

But although I doubt that gatorade bottle was related to this murder, I keep holding out hope that there comes to be something it in including prints, that would get the DP back on the table IMO (so long as it wasnt just gatorade in the bottle)

I agree it is definitely true that in a generic murder case, the COD is probably not particularly important and it is NOT a necessary burden of proof on the prosecution. This case, however, may be a bit different in terms of obtaining a death sentence. I know the DP can be brought in simply by the victim being a child, but the SA office took it off the table long after knowing the vic was 2 year old Caylee. This is why, even with all the circumstantial evidence, I wonder what it was that made them do the 180. Duct tape encircling the head would certainly scream DP to me. But I'm trying to put myself on the jury--hard to do when one is as biased as I am, but I'm trying to be objective. I would have no problem with guilty verdict. Death? I think I'd really want to know just exactly what Caylee went through, thus, it would be easier with COD. No skeletal trauma noted per Dr. G. That leaves smothering, drowning. Drug OD ruled out per hair toxicology. As I said before, KC could easily have trussed Caylee up with Duct tape and just held her under water in the pool. Little effort. Caylee dead in two minutes. BUT nobody can prove this or any other scenario like it.
I'm just sayin IMO, a DP sentence will be difficult to obtain. JMO, of course, in as unbiased a view as I can muster right now.

 

[MAMABEAR]

But shgrbkr, let me ask you. Since it is DP and the Jury will be chosen---knowing that it is DP will they have these same thought you just stated? Gosh! Don't know if I put that right. OK----when you are chosen for a DP trial---it is to late and say you decided you can't put her to death. Right? Or am I still gittin it wrong?

 

[MAMABEAR]

She will be sittin there---in prison---one way or the other. She will adjust to either way. Personally--I would like for them to take the DP off cuz I think she will have a harder time of it in GP. Death Row will just be to easy---the wait for it. Sittin there---lounging---reading---eating---sleeping. In GP, she will have to work her booooty off and fight for a place for herself. True----once she gets Big Bertha as a body guard, it might be a little easier-------but she will still have to do her work. Just thoughts runnin thru my head.

 

[Spangle]

Even if there were only Gatorade in the bottle, if it can be linked to KC by prints or similar, it would be proof that KC was in the area of the dumped body.

So.
Last person to be seen with Caylee. (attempt to pass THAT buck to ZFG failed).
Avoids contact with her family.
When contact is made - so are excuses as to Caylees absence.
31 days pass before a report is made - and it's NOT at KC's instigation.
Car is abandoned.
Car smells of death.
Dogs and air samples indicate death.
Body discovery proves death.

Something at that death scene (or possibly multiple tenuous links) leads right back to KC or the Anthony home.

The DP is warranted because it is the murder of a child.
Had it been an accident - we'd have heard the 'defense details' by now.

Death while being abused warrents DP in florida. KC has all ready admitted it was no accident, how ever it happened. IF the state is going to state that Caylee died because of some form of abuse, then would have to bring the DP back on the table.

Wouldn't they??

 

[2goldfish]

I agree it is definitely true that in a generic murder case, the COD is probably not particularly important and it is NOT a necessary burden of proof on the prosecution. This case, however, may be a bit different in terms of obtaining a death sentence. I know the DP can be brought in simply by the victim being a child, but the SA office took it off the table long after knowing the vic was 2 year old Caylee. This is why, even with all the circumstantial evidence, I wonder what it was that made them do the 180. Duct tape encircling the head would certainly scream DP to me. But I'm trying to put myself on the jury--hard to do when one is as biased as I am, but I'm trying to be objective. I would have no problem with guilty verdict. Death? I think I'd really want to know just exactly what Caylee went through, thus, it would be easier with COD. No skeletal trauma noted per Dr. G. That leaves smothering, drowning. Drug OD ruled out per hair toxicology. As I said before, KC could easily have trussed Caylee up with Duct tape and just held her under water in the pool. Little effort. Caylee dead in two minutes. BUT nobody can prove this or any other scenario like it.
I'm just sayin IMO, a DP sentence will be difficult to obtain. JMO, of course, in as unbiased a view as I can muster right now.

bold red mine - FWIW an OD is definitely not ruled out, if it was a one time thing it certainly would not be in the hair, it would be in tissue which was all gone. No results on hair only means it wasnt an ongoing thing.

(I think she was smothered as well but d@mn if I can figure out why then use duct tape)