2009.05.01 Document Release

[robotdog]

Nor did the dogs life depend on what you thought. just saying...

very true, but the situation is the same


and
i dont care if she gets life sentence or death penalty death penalty might be too good for her.. but that is a different can of worms for another day


the point is ( which im sure you figured out ) everything was pointing at the DOG that was walking around like "wow.. who put all these cracker crumbs on my comfy bed ? ") :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[marla]

So, according to Casey, Zanny was the last person to be seen with Caylee.

Um, yeah ..

She TOOK Caylee and gave her to Z ..
That means that Casey was the last to see Casey alive ..

 

[marla]

LOL! Poor Mr. Puppy goin' down on circumstantial evidence...

Do you think the dog may have been guilty?

 

[TakeNote]

I agree. I think the Body Farm and the photos will not be brought in. Without those, you can't really prove there was a body in her trunk other than CA's phone call and she isn't an expert. Then you look a the other evidence and there is just not enough there.

there is the dog hits on the trunk-backs up GA statement (former LE), other LE, CA (nurse)- smell in the trunk-backs up the body farm findings

 

[warbuckle]

i found cracker pieces in her favorite chair

So if they find KC fingerprint at the crime scene I 100% agree.

 

[mom2chloe]

Anyone consider that maybe KC ran over the snake with TL's jeep as she was disposing of the remains? The forensic reports indicate that no soil from the bottom of her shoes or boots matches the soil at the area.
Maybe the sticky residue on the knife is from the heart sticker?
I dunno, just thinking out loud.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm thinking we should discuss the weight of the evidence in the proper thread. The last doc dump evolved into pages and pages of whether Zanny's case was valid and many posters were very upset having to wade through all the to get to the doc dump info....just sayin....

 

[warbuckle]

I think most of us want Casey found guilty because she is the person who murdered Caylee ..

If that weren't the cae, Casey would have nailed ZFG for real ..
There is no ZFG for real, though ..

Also Jeff, nothing ..
Juliette, nothing ..

It's as plain as the nose on my face that Casey murdered Caylee ..

I keep hearing this so i can't wait for the state to prove it. unless they have some other evidience more damning, I just don't see it. But then again you never know who will make up the jury. From my experience with a Jury, i was ask the judge to make the decision.

 

[ziggy]

everyone is different. The lady who just was in the news didn't freak out. She made up some story that she was attack when in fact she dump the kids on the other side of town. I see no DP there.

Everyone is different to a certain degree but guilty people are different WAY OUT OF BOUNDS, ACROSS LINES OF NORMALITY AND WE ALL KNOW IT, but good lawyers spin it :-0

You just proved our point about her guilty actions - Baby Emma's murdering mother did make up a crazy story that didn't pan out, and the difference is SHE REPORTED IT IMMEDIATELY.

If Emma's mom took as far as KC:

had she NOT reported her child missing ever, but the grandmother did after a month of not seeing her, and then this murdering mom partied at clubs, got a new tatoo, told different stories about the kidnapping and lied about where the child was, AND had an entire world of work friends including emails and phone numbers of people who never existed.. after never discussed the fact that her baby was kidnapped with a real person...well you get the picture.

This girl attempted the same pathological thing, but she cracked and Casey won't. That is why she won't be up for murder 1 unless new cause of death evidence comes in. I

f it was an accident, Casey has every opportunity to set the record straight and refuses to. This girl said it was an accident and if she is telling the truth then it wasn't a premeditated murder.

KC has the power to avoid the death penalty.

Also - KC did not try to leave town for the reasons other posters mentioned but I'll add another: TONE, the new boyfriend.

KC has always been able to get away with lying. She ain't gonna stop now.

The fact is that KC exhibited signs that she was celebrating her new life without Caylee and that can't be denied by the reasonable mind. Sure spin it out of control, but reason will prevail.

 

[warbuckle]

Are you insinuating that CA harmed Caylee and then framed KC?

I don't insinuate, I stated a fact. The last documented proof we have of Caylee alive it with CA at the nursing home.

 

[Gma Kat]

everyone is different. The lady who just was in the news didn't freak out. She made up some story that she was attack when in fact she dump the kids on the other side of town. I see no DP there.

This particular child murderer fessed up within a day and took LE to the body. Plus, it's early in the investigation, DP could still be applied if necessary.

 

[warbuckle]

Anyone consider that maybe KC ran over the snake with TL's jeep as she was disposing of the remains? The forensic reports indicate that no soil from the bottom of her shoes or boots matches the soil at the area.
Maybe the sticky residue on the knife is from the heart sticker?
I dunno, just thinking out loud.

Wouldn't that be a funny way to bring her down with tire marks on the snake. I personally think the sticky stuff on the knife was velvetta cheese. Seriously, don't laught. I am trying not too.

 

[warbuckle]

I'm thinking we should discuss the weight of the evidence in the proper thread. The last doc dump evolved into pages and pages of whether Zanny's case was valid and many posters were very upset having to wade through all the to get to the doc dump info....just sayin....

You are right. Sorry.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

i have a black lab 1 year old ( that i love with all my heart )

one day i found a box of crackers on her bed, the box was chewed up and most of the crackers were eaten. i never saw her eat a single cracker nor did i see her shread the box into a zillion pieces, i found cracker pieces in her favorite chair, i also found out that she was not hungry for her supper..

i guess it could have been any other dog in the neighborhood

i guess it could have been a neighborhood kid trying to blame her

i guess it could have been one of my own kids

i guess it could have been the mailman

i guess it could have been a cat in the area that got thru the locked doors

maybe it was me doing a little sleep walking and it was me

course i never saw her eat any cracker or shred the box....

i guess i will NEVER KNOW ,.......................cough cough who did the crime

There is no way your lab ate those crackers if she was NOT hungry for her supper. She must of been sick. Keep looking for the culprit. Labs are notorious for eating themselves to death! :crazy:

Two sides to every story - :sothere:

 

[Gma Kat]

I keep hearing this so i can't wait for the state to prove it. unless they have some other evidience more damning, I just don't see it. But then again you never know who will make up the jury. From my experience with Juries, i was ask the judge to make the decision.

Warbuckle I have to agree with your attitude on juries. A court trial instead of a jury trial would be preferable to me as well.

 

[metalcrystal]

That picture along with many of the others shown on NG were from before Caylee was missing. Do you see how the media can influence you opinion of a person. I know she was at Fusian, but they also mixed in a lot of photos from before June 16, 2009.

Let me give you an example I learned in law school. You could have a women who hates her husband and wants him dead. She even plans out killing him and then while he is asleep or so she thinks she stabs him. She finds out later, he had already died from a heart attack.

Should she be guilty of killing her husband?

Let's relate this to this crime. At this point we don't have proof KC killed Caylee so just becuase she lacks emotion or appears to be partying doesn't make her the killer.

Warbuckle do you think it shows maybe that she behaved the exact same way after her child was kidnapped as she always had? So it wasn't "ugly coping". Thats what I get from it anyways. I know there are a lot of old pics in the media, I think some of us could tell you exactly where and when they were taken, LOL. However I am no lawyer, haha.

 

[Patty G]

Are you insinuating that CA harmed Caylee and then framed KC?

To clarify and put and end to this discussion in this thread:

Let's just say here that the last known, actually documented via "video", Nursing home guest book sign-in" etc., great-grandma Shirley shows Cindy as the last known person to be with Caylee. After that, the only statements made of when Caylee was last seen was by George on June 16th. And also remember, there was never and discussion on the morning of June 16th and very little discussion regarding the evening of June 16th.

 

[LC446]

With the D.P possible one would have to think that LE has concrete evidence of KC's guilt. I could not vote guilty without concrete evidence with the dp on the table. Otherwise, it's beyond a reasonable doubt, right? I would have to have no doubt even if my emotions hated everything else I'd heard.

A jury found Scott Peterson guilty and gave him the death penalty based on circumstantial evidence. It is the totality of the circumstances. I'm not sure what you mean by "concrete" evidence. IMO, there will not be a smoking gun in this case. It will be a circumstantial case. Which can be just as strong, if not stronger, than a case where there is "concrete" evidence.

It is called "reasonable" doubt for a reason...it is not beyond a shadow of a doubt or absolute certainty. Reasonable doubt = A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

IMO there is nothing reasonable about a mother not reporting her child missing for 31 days. There is nothing reasonable about a mother with a missing child partying and sleeping with multiple men. There is nothing reasonable about a mother making up an imaginary nanny to blame.

The reason people here dislike Casey so much is because this forum is full of reasonable people who have common sense and we can't understand her behavior.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Do you have any idea how long it takes to go through and prepare discovery for release? If you don't, that's ok (most attorneys don't even realize) but I do! When I was a lowly clerk/intern I had this job for several large cases. The amount that was released today (just what we have seen so far) can take weeks to prepare ... because not only does each item of discovery have to be approved by the attorney(s) prior to being released (You don't want to release information that is still being investigated) it then has to be copied, cataloged, and often a brief written, to summarize what is being released and to whom. Also you must release certain items ahead of others if, for example, a judge has granted a motion to compel. Also, many many times a prosecutor will try to bury a certain key piece of information in mountains of insignificant discovery!! This is often called an "information avalanche." I am telling you all of this to give you hope!! Discovery is a process ... sometimes it yields a lot of evidence at once ... other times it takes an electron microscope to find even one piece of pertinent information. So, don't give up hope ... and as far as discovery is concerned remember that sometimes the "devil is in the details!" :blowkiss:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
Thanks Sweetie!

 

[Searchfortruth]

A jury found Scott Peterson guilty and gave him the death penalty based on circumstantial evidence. It is the totality of the circumstances. I'm not sure what you mean by "concrete" evidence. IMO, there will not be a smoking gun in this case. It will be a circumstantial case. Which can be just as strong, if not stronger, than a case where there is "concrete" evidence.

It is called "reasonable" doubt for a reason...it is not beyond a shadow of a doubt or absolute certainty. Reasonable doubt = A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

IMO there is nothing reasonable about a mother not reporting her child missing for 31 days. There is nothing reasonable about a mother with a missing child partying and sleeping with multiple men. There is nothing reasonable about a mother making up an imaginary nanny to blame.

The reason people here dislike Casey so much is because this forum is full of reasonable people who have common sense and we can't understand her behavior.

I would much rather have the mountain of circumstantial evidence in this case, as opposed to one piece of direct evidence such as an eye witness...eye witnesses can and have been wrong...the circumstantial evidence in this case tells a complete story, IMO, of a mother that mudered her child.