2009.10.09 Duct Tape Photos From Remains Released

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In light of today's testimony and because this is without a doubt my favorite thread in this forum :heartbeat:....

Anyone who has not read this thread and wants to understand how VITAL the duct tape story is to this case, owes it to themselves to read it. If you don't want to read the complete thread from begnnng to end, begin on pg. 16. Keep reading though because the theories change as we discover, study and continue sleuthing for weeks and months. This is some great stuff people. Take a look at what a magnificent group of sleuthers can do when we work together.

Okay, that is all for my PSA and sales pitch. For now anyway. ;)

I said it way up thread over a couple years ago but I'll say it again. You guys rocked on this thread! Now we're seeing just how important this tape is to the prosecutions case! The tape is the reason that the DP was put back on! I wonder if anyone from the SA's office has read the duct tape threads here and got a little inspiration (hint hint...the overlay of the tape superimposed on a pic of Caylee). I would like to think that they did and that makes you guys partially responsible for getting justice for Caylee! :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:
 
BBM
Of interest, When Judge Perry was a Prosecutor he tried the Buenoano case and sought the death penalty,which she received. He attended Ms. Buenoano's execution.

Article from 1985, when Perry decided to seek the death penalty:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1985-10-20/news/0340020178_1_poisoning-goodyear-judias


Perry’s take on “the Black Widow”: “It was just a feeling of coldness that I’ve never experienced since or before. She was an evil woman.”

“Throughout this saga, she did not express one iota of remorse or regret,” Perry said.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...nosed-practical-in-recalling-black-widow.html

Wow.


It's too bad we will never hear his comments on Casey Anthony like this. Judy and Casey have some similar courtroom expression... just like Bundy and Casey do.

Judy didn't use duct tape and she didn't kill little children.

I wonder what his opinion of Casey is?
 
In light of today's testimony and because this is without a doubt my favorite thread in this forum :heartbeat:....

Anyone who has not read this thread and wants to understand how VITAL the duct tape story is to this case, owes it to themselves to read it. If you don't want to read the complete thread from begnnng to end, begin on pg. 16. Keep reading though because the theories change as we discover, study and continue sleuthing for weeks and months. This is some great stuff people. Take a look at what a magnificent group of sleuthers can do when we work together.

Okay, that is all for my PSA and sales pitch. For now anyway. ;)

Beach, went back through and re-read much (followed it then too) of this from page 16 on. It is so chilling in light of the testimony of the last few days. Thank you again to all of the WSers who spent countless hours on these simulations, theories, hypotheses...for Caylee.
 
In light of today's testimony and because this is without a doubt my favorite thread in this forum :heartbeat:....

Anyone who has not read this thread and wants to understand how VITAL the duct tape story is to this case, owes it to themselves to read it. If you don't want to read the complete thread from begnnng to end, begin on pg. 16. Keep reading though because the theories change as we discover, study and continue sleuthing for weeks and months. This is some great stuff people. Take a look at what a magnificent group of sleuthers can do when we work together.

Okay, that is all for my PSA and sales pitch. For now anyway. ;)

What post number would that be for pg 16? I don't think I have the same posts per pg setting. TIA!
 
Regarding Bond's post below, specifically the the outline from the trunk stain of Caylee's little body....
I see many posters on the thread questioning as to whether the Q100/104 piece of tape that was found away from the skull was used to bind Caylee's little hands together. I can't help but look at this photo of her body outlined so clearly and I do not see her hands behind her back, I see her arm just under her hip.

My thought is that this piece of tape was over her eyes, because if it wasn't binding her hands, where would it be?

Thank you to everyone on this thread for all of your hard work, I am totally amazed!

First – it is important to observe the order in which segments must’ve been torn from the roll and how that relates each end one to the other. For example, when tape is layered, the outer-most segment was the last one torn from the roll.



Second – it is important to note that the Henkel logo markings provide us with an easy means to identify the direction each segment of tape was originally on the roll. This cuts in half the number of possible end pairings that we have to consider. :thumb:

Third – consider when a right handed person applies tape from a roll they will typically use their right hand to spool the roll in a left-to-right direction. The Henkel logo orientation on Q64 and Q63 are consistent with this left-to-right application, FWIW.

Consider the following simple 2-dimensional scale image of Caylee’s face using one of her recent pictures and an average pupillary distance for a 3 year old female of 46mm using the linked reference.



Important elements used in the speculation that follows:
(A) The scaled image of Caylee’s face,
(B) The scaled image of Q63 & Q64, and
(C) Q100 being apart from the other tape segments​

  1. For the placement of Q63 I turned the image of Q63 w/ Q64 upside down and observed what appeared to be shaping suggesting that Q63 was initially affixed to Caylee’s left cheek/lower neck/hair area and, in a left-to-right motion the tape drawn across her chin and mouth area without covering the nasal cavities, in a slight upward diagonal across her face





  2. For the purpose of discussion, since Q100 was placed immediately after Q64 and before Q63 & Q62, yet, the face was still the focus of Q63 & Q62, consider that Q100 may have been placed over the eyes and bridge of nose at a slight diagonal that would eventually be parallel with the placement of Q63. Q100 does not appear to me to have covered the nasal cavity, only the bridge of the nose. Again, Q100 would’ve been affixed in a left-to-right motion with the right end covering Caylee’s left ear. This may explain the severe degradation of this end of the tape as this would’ve been the location of the lowest point of the head from which fluids would prefer to drain if Caylee were placed in the trunk on her left side as was suggested in the images of the stain in the trunk described here







  3. This body orientation may also explain what appears to be advanced degradation of Q64 on the (right) side of the tape that would’ve been on Caylee’s left-lower cheek/jaw in contact with fluid on the trunk flooring

  4. This placement of Q100 may also explain how it would’ve been affixed to irregular surfaces (e.g. eye lids/sockets, bridge of nose, eyebrow/eyelash hairs) that wouldn’t hold it in place as readily as the other segments. Perhaps Q100 was dislodged from her face after being exposed to decomp fluids in the heat when Casey pulled a trashbag down over Caylee’s head and past the left side of her face still being pushed against the floor of the trunk by gravity. This may have resulted in Q100 settling in the abdomen area where it eventually became associated with the shirt and subsequently transported by water/predators @ the Suburban Dr. disposal site.

  5. In addition to noting the focus of all of the other tape segments on the face, consider that IF Q100 had been used to bind Caylee’s wrists it was sufficiently long, IMHO, to have encircled them and adhered back onto itself. Given that Q62, 63 & 64 remained adhered to one another when exposed to similar conditions, I believe Q100 would’ve survived in this configuration also and have been found in the bag with the remains of the arms.

  6. It is the scaled image of Q63 crossing Q64 that leads me to believe that Q63 was placed directly over Caylee’s nostrils. Again using a left-to-right motion at a slightly steeper angle than what was used for Q64, Q63 was used to cover the space that remained between Q64 and Q100 such that it overlapped Q64 as-found, yet, only contacted Q100 at the edge. The measure width of Q63 + Q64 in their as-found condition is 2.6”. Again, using the scaled image of Caylee’s face and the image, this distance would cover from her chin to just over the end of her nose as shown. While it maybe a figment of my imagination, I can envision the formation of the tape in the image to suggest where it once was wrapped around the jaw/mouth/nose area with enough force to leave this impression and hold the mandible in place.


  7. Q62 was placed last, chiefly over the top of Q63 & Q64.


  8. Pure speculation, but, perhaps the angle of tape being applied somewhat consistently was the result of Caylee’s head being tilted to her right from being in her carseat (a) asleep, (b) sedated, or (c) subject to post-mortem rigor & gravity. This angle would’ve been the result of Casey taping in a horizontal manner

Unfortunately, I haven’t found anything in the above yet to convince me beyond a doubt that the tape was applied post vs. peri-mortem. I can still envision either scenario. Although if I'm forced to make a call @ the moment, the simplicity of the tape originating and returning to the garage begs post-mortem application. I need to let this sink in a bit more and perhaps it’ll become clearer. :waitasec:
 
Regarding Bond's post below, specifically the the outline from the trunk stain of Caylee's little body....
I see many posters on the thread questioning as to whether the Q100/104 piece of tape that was found away from the skull was used to bind Caylee's little hands together. I can't help but look at this photo of her body outlined so clearly and I do not see her hands behind her back, I see her arm just under her hip.

My thought is that this piece of tape was over her eyes, because if it wasn't binding her hands, where would it be?

Thank you to everyone on this thread for all of your hard work, I am totally amazed!

I so wanted it to be over her eyes because I didn't want her to see what was happening, if she was awake. However, as AZ pointed out to me back several pages, Dr. G's report specifies that the tape was covering the lower portion of the skull. (see posts #s 649-651).

The fringe hairs found on Q104 are curious and one of the reasons that led us to surmise that that piece may have been used to bind her hands. Fringe hairs are not eyebrow, eyelashes, etc... more like limb hairs and they have no root that can be tested for DNA analysis.

Also, I believe on the "Stain on the trunk liner" thread there is more sleuthing and people pointng out what they perceive that could be the tape around her hands. I will try to fnd and link it here. :)

ETA: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6263118&postcount=664"]AZlawyer's post #644 on the trunk stain thread[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6265196&postcount=683"]LCoastMom's post #683 on the trunk stain thread.[/ame]
 
I so wanted it to be over her eyes because I didn't want her to see what was happening, if she was awake. However, as AZ pointed out to me back several pages, Dr. G's report specifies that the tape was covering the lower portion of the skull. (see posts #s 649-651).

The fringe hairs found on Q104 are curious and one of the reasons that led us to surmise that that piece may have been used to bind her hands. Fringe hairs are not eyebrow, eyelashes, etc... more like limb hairs and they have no root that can be tested for DNA analysis.

Also, I believe on the "Stain on the trunk liner" thread there is more sleuthing and people pointng out what they perceive that could be the tape around her hands. I will try to fnd and link it here. :)

I agree Beach, I think that's why I'm trying so hard to think it was over her eyes.
I must have missed the "fringe" hair description as I thought it was small hairs like eyebrow hairs and such.
I will go search the stain on the trunk liner thread, thanks so much!

Uggh, now I have an even worse feeling...poor little one saw what was happening and her Mother saw the fear in her eyes and did not stop :(
 
GourmetSoy, I just edited my above post to add a couple of links to posts from the trunk stain thread. HTH!
 
As many of us have, I had a nightmare about this last night. Don't remember the context but when I woke up I thought back about the superimposed image and realized that the "nasal aperture" in the skull is much larger that the real air passage provided by two tiny nostrils on a living Caylee...

In other words, Caylee's nasal aperture would not have needed to be covered entirely by the tape (i.e., up to just under her eye sockets), because in life, only those two little nostrils being blocked, plus the mouth which was pretty clearly covered, would have done the job.
 
as many of us have, i had a nightmare about this last night. Don't remember the context but when i woke up i thought back about the superimposed image and realized that the "nasal aperture" in the skull is much larger that the real air passage provided by two tiny nostrils on a living caylee...

In other words, caylee's nasal aperture would not have needed to be covered entirely by the tape (i.e., up to just under her eye sockets), because in life, only those two little nostrils being blocked, plus the mouth which was pretty clearly covered, would have done the job.

ita!!!!
 
As many of us have, I had a nightmare about this last night. Don't remember the context but when I woke up I thought back about the superimposed image and realized that the "nasal aperture" in the skull is much larger that the real air passage provided by two tiny nostrils on a living Caylee...

In other words, Caylee's nasal aperture would not have needed to be covered entirely by the tape (i.e., up to just under her eye sockets), because in life, only those two little nostrils being blocked, plus the mouth which was pretty clearly covered, would have done the job.

And that's why I think they had to superimpose the photo of Caylee in life with the skull photo to show what the duct tape could have covered.
 
As many of us have, I had a nightmare about this last night. Don't remember the context but when I woke up I thought back about the superimposed image and realized that the "nasal aperture" in the skull is much larger that the real air passage provided by two tiny nostrils on a living Caylee...

In other words, Caylee's nasal aperture would not have needed to be covered entirely by the tape (i.e., up to just under her eye sockets), because in life, only those two little nostrils being blocked, plus the mouth which was pretty clearly covered, would have done the job.


:twocents: IMVHO, that reason ALONE should be enough to validate the utilization of the visual aid (the superimposition video reconstruction per se). For many the terms "nose" and "nasal aperture" are synonymous, unlike the scientific terminology specificity used by the scientific specialists. For the human being, life-giving air exchange occurs via two orifices, the oral +/or the nasal cavities. Again the terms "nasal cavity" or "nasal aperture" are frequently interpreted by folks as the NOSE, i.e the protuberance in the center of the face covered with skin, not just those two openings within the nose.
Let's not forget that a crying child creates mucous within his/her nose which inhibits free air flow along with irregular, gasping breaths also inhibiting free air exchange and adding wide strips of tape accomplishes one thing, complete BLOCKAGE.:maddening:
Yep, that visual effect accomplished exactly what was needed.....it provided the spacial representation of Caylee's last day. Icing on the cake was the visage of her biological incubator WATCHING the transformation in the picture but NOT in the courtroom.
 
Here is a link to WFTV's commentary....

@ approx. 6:04 in the video they give a visual of the skull/picture/tape overlay - although it is somewhat pixelated......WARNING - do not go and watch this if it might upset you!!!! It is a very quick illustration with pixelation but it certainly is graphic! I am amazed at how close everyone's work in this thread was to the video presented in court!

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206913/index.html
 
I only wonder why the State didn't tell about the fringe hairs on the duct tape that was found away from Caylee's skull? That would have sealed the idea of premeditation...for it only takes seconds to premediate a murder...it's all about impluse and impluse control.

Also strange is when AmyH texted ICA about HER duct tape that was left in ICA's car in AmyH's purse...

An Ontario woman, Gloria Hilker, who has been tracking the Casey Anthony case on WFTV.com, emailed Eyewitness News what she says is Casey's Facebook page with a message about duct tape. She insists it's an authentic page she found and printed in July.

One specific posting in late May, from who appears to be Casey's former best friend Amy Huizenga, reads, "You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That's why (sic) I get for giving you my purse."

The date it appeared to be posted, May 26, was around the same time as a "no clothes party" Casey attended. She had wrapped herself in a flag and, according to her, nothing else.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18301938/detail.html

ICA has so much evidence against her I will be very surprised if she is NOT found guilty of precious Caylee's murder...I also hope the jury takes Dr. G's testimony for fact. There is no reason in an accidental death to place duct tape over a child's face, which removes the accidental theory for me...as well as the jailhouse visit when CA mentions this to ICA and her response is, suprise, surprise..She was lying back then and she's still lying today..If Baez cannot deliver his promise from his opening statements, the jury will find him and his client incredible and she will be found guilty as charged. All legal eagles are saying his OS will be the death of ICA if the jurors do not buy into his theory...JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
Can duct tape be applied to wet hair? Would it adhere?

Just curious.
 
Can duct tape be applied to wet hair? Would it adhere?

Just curious.

A poster mentioned today that they had tried it and it would not stick (sorry I do not remember who it was) but I know I can't have wet hands and attempt to apply it to something ....it's not sticky enough if it gets wet and I have only experienced that it will stick to itself but nothing else.....I haven't tried to put it in my own hair btw
 

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