2009.11.19 Defense Files Motion suggesting Kronk as Killer #4

[BeanE]

No, I don't believe it was an accident by Kc. The defense is way too confident to call it an accident. They are going for the ghusto here. Not guilty of premeditated murder. I think when Jb said to Kb that she wasn't there, your in fairy land, that was the end of the accident theory for the defense. As far as I know, it is just a theory floating around out there.

Thank you, NTS. I don't believe it was an accident either. The defense seems to have made a committment to arguing that someone killed Caylee, and that someone was not KC.

Linda Baden recently stated in a news interview that the defense is absolutely not accusing Kronk of murdering Caylee. I think what they are trying to say in this motion is not that they think Kronk killed Caylee, but they are contending that there is an equal amount of circumstantial evidence, period. But I'm not a lawyer

 

[cecybeans]

No, I don't believe it was an accident by Kc. The defense is way too confident to call it an accident. They are going for the ghusto here. Not guilty of premeditated murder. I think when Jb said to Kb that she wasn't there, your in fairy land, that was the end of the accident theory for the defense. As far as I know, it is just a theory floating around out there. .

I think it's fair to say this is more than simply a theory - it was put forth by people on the defense or involved in it.

The first people to mention an accident were KC's parents. They ran a possible pool accident by her in jail and she scoffed. They also both mentioned it in their LE/FBI interviews as a possibility because they allegedly found the ladder to the pool still up on one occasion after KC and Caylee had left home.

The second theory was put forth by TL, the DP-qualified attorney previously on the defense in the brief he prepared to get the DP off the table. He suggested that Caylee had likely died due to an accidental drug overdose brought on by some form of PPD. I would assume he had the authority to speak on behalf of the team, or JB would have objected to that tactic, and he did not.

The fact that JB and team now appear to be trying out yet another SODDI defense with RK indicates to me they are running out of people to blame. IIRC, RK had just been assigned that route in August. I'll look for the documentation. If he saw a skull in August, there is no way Caylee's remains had not already been there for weeks - and it puts into the realm of fantasy trying to connect him to a living Caylee. And if simple proximity to the area is a factor in being a suspect, then JW and that kid who found the animals should be equally suspect in the public's eyes. They have pasts, like many people, that could be misread. If the defense wants to use JW as a serious witness, they'd be smart to realize she is much less credible than RK, imo.

 

[Searchfortruth]

The defense just doesn't have much to work with here. This motion proves they are grasping at straws. A common sense jury will see right through this and place responsibility for this murder right where it belongs.

 

[cecybeans]

On page 5611 of discovery (interview between YM and RK 1-06-09)

YM: So we'll go back to August 11th. When you first went to Suburban drive on August 11, is this, uh, how, had you been on that street before?

RK: No.

YM: Okay. So that was the first time you've been on that street, Suburban Drive?

RK: It was the first time I was ever assigned that route. I didn't even cover that route in training, so.

YM: Was it the first time you were on, you, were you on that street...

RK: Period, yeah (affirmative).

I think it's safe to say that LE checked those facts out with his supervisor, etc.

 

[BeanE]

On page 5611 of discovery (interview between YM and RK 1-06-09)

YM: So we'll go back to August 11th. When you first went to Suburban drive on August 11, is this, uh, how, had you been on that street before?

RK: No.

YM: Okay. So that was the first time you've been on that street, Suburban Drive?

RK: It was the first time I was ever assigned that route. I didn't even cover that route in training, so.

YM: Was it the first time you were on, you, were you on that street...

RK: Period, yeah (affirmative).

I think it's safe to say that LE checked those facts out with his supervisor, etc.

Thank you so much, cecybeans. So, Roy K was not the Anthony's meter reader, hadn't worked in that area while Caylee was alive.

I can't think of any way to tie R Kronk to the murder of Caylee then. This sure puts up a brick wall on the contentions in this defense motion, doesn't it?

 

[Harmony 2]

On page 5611 of discovery (interview between YM and RK 1-06-09)

YM: So we'll go back to August 11th. When you first went to Suburban drive on August 11, is this, uh, how, had you been on that street before?

RK: No.

YM: Okay. So that was the first time you've been on that street, Suburban Drive?

RK: It was the first time I was ever assigned that route. I didn't even cover that route in training, so.

YM: Was it the first time you were on, you, were you on that street...

RK: Period, yeah (affirmative).

I think it's safe to say that LE checked those facts out with his supervisor, etc.

(Responding to BBM)

On page 7 of the link it says that Roy's timesheet and detailed log of when Roy worked at the Suburban area were acquired from the District Manager for Orange County Public Works, Tim Armstrong.

http://www.momlogic.com/cdn/v3/pdf/casey_anthony_detectives_report.pdf

NTS already knows this information, it was posted on another thread...

 

[Tuffy]

Do you have a link to the kidnapping charges and who filed them? How do we know they were bogus? How do we know it was an angry adult or ex? is there a news report? I mean I saw what Rk had to say about it, but I would like to see an actual document of it. thanks

That's all we have to go on is what RK had to say about it because it was expunged from the records. Therefore, no document.

Thanks.

 

[logicalgirl]

Bold 1. I do not believe the defense will use the accident defense. They are way too confident.

Bold 2: I was just saying that I have never heard of a case where someone killed someone so they could party. I never said anything about killing someone to have the life they want. Do you know of any cases where someone killed someone so they could party? Or even someone killed someone because they were mad at their mom?

the Menendez (SP) Brothers? The two Canadian Boys (who are serving LWOP) who killed one boy's parents, in the States somewhere around Bellingham a few years ago. If I gave it more thought I could think of some more. What the heck - Susan Smith?

 

[hroark2112]

I'm trying to scour my remaining active brain cells here for "equal circumstantial evidence" against RK. Maybe the collective intelligence of this community can fill out the list a bit more than I can.

* Found the remains
* Called multiple times to report said remains
* Was allegedly an[unusual person]to more than one ex-wife
* Was in Orlando at the time Caylee disappeared

OK, I'm out. I'm open to hearing more though!!

 

[Novice Seeker]

Focusing energy and time to discuss RK is exactly what Baez, Cindy and George intended. IMO, RK is nothing more than a red herring that Baez threw out. He's that desperate. George and Cindy's motives? Take your pick but IMO it has nothing to do with seeking justice for little Caylee.

As for RK, I would love to see him seek legal action against all three of these people for attempting to destroy him b/c Baez has no idea how to perform duties of a competent attorney and the Anthonys would rather see an innocent person be convicted for murdering their grandchild rather than acknowledge or accept the evidence which shows who murdered their grandchild.

RK has never been charged and convicted for any of the crimes or allegations he is being accused of by the defense. There is no history of investigations or evidence that has been collected by LE. As for the investigation into the crime involving Caylee LE has worked many, many hours to find out what happened to Caylee and afterwards in collecting evidence and conducting numerous interviews to find the person who killed her. That has been the only purpose of LE and the attorneys from the SA office. What has Caylee's family done?

Just MOO.

Novice Seeker

 

[notthatsmart]

I think it's fair to say this is more than simply a theory - it was put forth by people on the defense or involved in it.

The first people to mention an accident were KC's parents. They ran a possible pool accident by her in jail and she scoffed. They also both mentioned it in their LE/FBI interviews as a possibility because they allegedly found the ladder to the pool still up on one occasion after KC and Caylee had left home.

The second theory was put forth by TL, the DP-qualified attorney previously on the defense in the brief he prepared to get the DP off the table. He suggested that Caylee had likely died due to an accidental drug overdose brought on by some form of PPD. I would assume he had the authority to speak on behalf of the team, or JB would have objected to that tactic, and he did not.

The fact that JB and team now appear to be trying out yet another SODDI defense with RK indicates to me they are running out of people to blame. IIRC, RK had just been assigned that route in August. I'll look for the documentation. If he saw a skull in August, there is no way Caylee's remains had not already been there for weeks - and it puts into the realm of fantasy trying to connect him to a living Caylee. And if simple proximity to the area is a factor in being a suspect, then JW and that kid who found the animals should be equally suspect in the public's eyes. They have pasts, like many people, that could be misread. If the defense wants to use JW as a serious witness, they'd be smart to realize she is much less credible than RK, imo.

Yeah I think the parents talking about an accident theory is just one of the hundreds of theories they were speculating. I am interested in the doc that says the defense thought it was an accident.

He suggested that Caylee had likely died due to an accidental drug overdose brought on by some form of PPD.

When did he suggest this? I mean was the defense actually saying that Caylee had died way back when TL was on the team? I did see TL on Ng much later after they brought the dp back. I noted yesterday on our WS news thread that TL had only visited Kc one time in jail. He was suggesting on Ng that he thought they should have went with an insanity defense. When did he have time with Kc to determine all this?

I think the defense has always gone with the soddi theory and have never changed that.

I saw the documentation of Rk being just assigned that route in August and it was RK saying that. I would like to see the details though. When did he start reading meters in the area and adjacent areas. Did his supervisor really used to live on Hopespring? (dispatch call dec 11) ? Phone records and pings. Take a look at the car he got rid of since Aug 11th (Rk interview Jan 6th) Did he actually read the Anthony meter on Aug 11th in front of their home? Was Kc at home that day? Did he meet DC or JH or GA in the front yard? Were there news stations there that day on Aug 11th? Protesters? (Rk interview Jan 6th)

I have a lot of questions for Rk. And I just hope we could clear them all up so we can move on with this case.

What do you know about Jw and the kid that found the animals? Is there a link. This sounds very interesting. I have heard it as rumor, but I thought it was way before Caylee was reported missing? Jw is a very very interesting subject and possibly tied to this link since she said she saw an man in those woods on Aug 11th between one and two pm. I do believe that Sa will impeach Jw, but pretty hard to impeach the video or pictures. Thank you for bringing these things up. And of course after reading the docs in the case, everything I say in the post is of my opinion only.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19341482/detail.html

 

[Turnadot]

Yeah the only thing that I can think of to make the connection is that he was their meter reader, so he had to be in front of the house at some point.

The Mountain of other evidence against him is just circumstantial, just like Casey. That is probably why he should be looked at as an equal suspect.

The 5 W's really bother me.

We only think we have the who, but we are still missing:
The Why
The Where
The When
The How (oops sorry I guess I meant 4 W's and one H)

Now I understand that SA 's job is to make KC look guilty, but for LE with hind sight, and not finding any smoking gun, it is their job to continue to look for the truth.

Nothing I stated was stated as fact. It is of my opinion only.

BBM

What is that evidence, NTS? And IIRC, Kronk was not the A's meter reader.

 

[notthatsmart]

BBM

What is that evidence, NTS? And IIRC, Kronk was not the A's meter reader.

I am compiling a list of the mountain of circumstantial evidence to show that Rk should be investigated. I have about 14 items so far and am looking for the links.

But if you have a link showing that Rk was not the A's meter reader. I need to see that. In his 911 calls he states that he has the Anthony Route. I base my opinion on my interpretation of the fact. Everything I say is of my opinion.

 

[JBean]

I am compiling a list of the mountain of circumstantial evidence to show that Rk should be investigated. I have about 14 items so far and am looking for the links.

But if you have a link showing that Rk was not the A's meter reader. I need to see that. In his 911 calls he states that he has the Anthony Route. I base my opinion on my interpretation of the fact. Everything I say is of my opinion.

Thank you NTS for gathering back up for your information. I admit do not have a handle on the information that may support RK as a viable suspect and look forward to your compilation.
I consider RK to represent the doubt factor but that is all.

 

[LambChop]

Trying to get the evidence to fit RK is like trying to fit the glass slipper on one of Cinderella's step-sisters. KC said it's the nanny, no it's Jessie, no it's Amy or RM, maybe...no, no it has to be RK because obviously he found the body and the only other person who knew where the body was is me.....ooopppss, I mean, I don't know anything because I was too busy with the party stuff, you know, I was just too busy to know where my daughter was, who she was with and what happened to her? Okay, defense, is this the impression you want to present to the jury????? The damage is done. Defense is in damage control mode, it is obvious and it's "duck-incoming" for the A's. JMO

 

[Searchfortruth]

I am compiling a list of the mountain of circumstantial evidence to show that Rk should be investigated. I have about 14 items so far and am looking for the links.

But if you have a link showing that Rk was not the A's meter reader. I need to see that. In his 911 calls he states that he has the Anthony Route. I base my opinion on my interpretation of the fact. Everything I say is of my opinion.

I will be very interested in seeing those "links" whenever you are able to provide them. I am speaking of the links to the mountain of circumstantial evidence to show that Roy K. should be investigated. TIA.

 

[notthatsmart]

(Responding to BBM)

On page 7 of the link it says that Roy's timesheet and detailed log of when Roy worked at the Suburban area were acquired from the District Manager for Orange County Public Works, Tim Armstrong.

http://www.momlogic.com/cdn/v3/pdf/casey_anthony_detectives_report.pdf

NTS already knows this information, it was posted on another thread...

I acknowledge that I have this information. I may interpret the facts differently than others though. Rk did indeed state that aug 11th was the first time on suburban. And Ym did indeed state that he acquired Roy's timesheet and detailed log. But Sa has not provided us with that record. So it is still up for interpretation. I find it disturbing when SA holds back information.

 

[LambChop]

(Responding to BBM)

On page 7 of the link it says that Roy's timesheet and detailed log of when Roy worked at the Suburban area were acquired from the District Manager for Orange County Public Works, Tim Armstrong.

http://www.momlogic.com/cdn/v3/pdf/casey_anthony_detectives_report.pdf

NTS already knows this information, it was posted on another thread...

NTS, this may be the information you are looking for.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I acknowledge that I have this information. I may interpret the facts differently than others though. Rk did indeed state that aug 11th was the first time on suburban. And Ym did indeed state that he acquired Roy's timesheet and detailed log. But Sa has not provided us with that record. So it is still up for interpretation. I find it disturbing when SA holds back information.

The SA does not have to offer up anything that the defense does not request from them in discovery. I am sure that there is lots of info that both sides have that we haven't seen because the documents are either not going to be used at trial, or the other side has them too. The only thing the SA has to release is discovery requested.

 

[TorisMom003]

I find it disturbing when the defense tries to throw anyone and everyone under the bus so that the guilty party (IMO) can get a chance to walk free. The defense has made claims that they have "proof" as to Casey's innocence. I find it disturbing that the defense is holding back that information. I'm sure that Casey would much rather prefer to be out of jail if she is indeed innocent and has said proof. The SA is not required to provide us with everything they have until the trial. We may not like it but that's the way it is. Some things are better left to the professionals such as those photos. I don't think that any photos of Caylee's body or remains should be put out in the public.

JMO