2010.02.16 Document Release: Stain on Trunk Liner

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Here are your pictures, top and bottom of the wheel cover. I do see a stain, however, I can't make out a shape.
Just looks like a big stain that someone poured a cleaner of some sort directly on the stain to saturate it, I say this because I see a whiteish stain towards the edge of the original stain. There also appears to be some rust colored "markings" on the directions :waitasec:
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I flipped the images to how the piece would have fit into the trunk liner
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Just wanted to nudge the collective memory about how this looked without enhancements... the puzzle pieces are locking into place. (IMO of course.)
 
Seeing the backing really makes a statement. Years ago when I was in property management....we used to have issues with carpets that were cleaned and LATER...stains would emerge. We were told by the carpet cleaners that when a stain soaks into the backing of the carpet.......all the cleaning on the top won't make a difference.

If the carpet is cleaned.........the stain and organic material will still be present in the backing. Unless the back of the carpet is cleaned (or in the case of an apt....the padding) the stain will re-emerge within a few weeks. Additionally...unless a special fluid that eats up biologicals is used....you are just adding further chemicals for reaction.

I suspect that the efforts to clean the trunk liner failed to include cleaning the other side.Even squinting my eyes at the top view of the liner.....yields shades of a stain.
 
I posted the following on Val's blog:

The recent discovery contained a handful of images taken of the stain in Casey Anthony’s trunk. If you recall, FBI Intelligence Analyst Karen Cowan made the following remarks in an internal email dated September 30, 2008:

On October 2, Richard W. Vorder Bruegge – a Supervisory Photographic Technologist with the FBI – responded with the following:

If the file names are an accurate indicator, thirteen unique images were color-adjusted in an attempt to highlight different aspects of the trunk stain. Twenty adjusted images were included in the discovery, some representing different adjustments of the same image.

I found three images particularly interesting because they seemed to highlight the stain in significant, but different ways. First is the image found on discovery page numbered 13059 with the file name IMG_2235_red_levels.tif:

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The second was an image on page 13064 with the file name IMG_2233_red.tif:

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And the last image was on page 13068 with the file name IMG_2227_cyan_levels.tif:

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Ideally, we’d have the original color TIF files to look at, but instead we had lousy black-and-white scans. Despite the poor quality of the images, I decided to see if I could combine the three images above to see what kind of picture they might produce.

I imported all three images into Photoshop, and first combined IMG_2233_red.tif with IMG_2235_red_levels, then combined IMG_2227_cyan_levels.tif with the result of the previous step. All three images were taken from slightly different perspectives, so I had to make adjustments to one image in order to get it to align with the other.

In Photoshop I simply imported two images into a single document in separate layers. I adjusted the opacity of the top image so that I could partially see through to the bottom image. I adjusted the size and rotation of the top image to match the bottom image, using the scale within both images as a guide. There were slight differences in perspective that I had to adjust using the free transform tool in Photoshop. This allowed me to properly align certain shapes found in both images.

Also, in the IMG_2227_cyan_levels.tif image, I cropped out the washed-out areas at the bottom and on the left. Because that same image as found in the discovery was cropped at the right, there is an abrupt, artificial line in the resulting image.

After I aligned and cropped images as appropriate, I merged the layers using the “lighten” method so that bright areas in the top layer would be added to the bottom layer. The resulting image is as follows (the abrupt line at the top right is due to the cropping in the final image):

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I found several useful images on the web of toddlers right around three years of age in the fetal position. I took one of those images and layered it over the image above. To protect the innocent, I then drew an outline of the child. Note that Caylee was about 36 inches tall, so she would measure in the neighborhood of roughly 20 inches from the top of her head to her hip, give or take. I think this lines up with the scale fairly well.

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This is, of course, my own speculation as to how Caylee was tossed into her mother’s trunk based on the rather poor photographs I had to work with. Nevertheless, doing this little piece of work really drove home the indignity of what Casey Anthony did to her daughter.

A couple of follow-up comments as food for thought:


  1. Caylee was wearing a pull-up. Thus, decomposition fluids coming from that area would largely remain in the pull-up and not in the trunk. That is why, in my opinion, the stain is lighter in that area than the area of the head, which was uncovered.
  2. I am of the opinion Caylee was not immediately placed in a bag when put in the trunk. I don’t think that was done until the day she borrowed Mr. Burner’s shovel. I have no proof. It is just an opinion.
  3. Consider how you carry a sleeping toddler in your arms. Aren’t they typically folded in the fetal position when you carry them? It would be natural for Casey to carry a dead Caylee to the trunk as she might carry a sleeping Caylee, and then put her down in that position.

As always, thank you for sharing your amazing brain with us :)
 
I was never able to see the outline, like others have, until now. It is so clear. Poor Caylee.

I think this is the saddest I have been and I have been saddened by a lot of details in this case but to have that visual right there... clear as day... I just wasn't ready for it.
 
JWG, thank you for your work with these images. You're honoring Caylee by giving a level of attention to her that, sadly, her own family has proven unwilling to give. It's hard to contemplate what these images suggest but again I thank you for helping us all understand what really happened to this innocent.

I am curious if you can use your PhotoShop skills to overlay your final composite image with the stains evident in the photos Eidetic posted in #18 of this same thread? (ETA: See also post #94 where Eidetic played with the color saturations.) I also wonder about what caused the stain in the bottom of the liner toward the edge, away from the rounded Caylee-shaped stain. I originally suspected that as KC moved her out of the trunk to dispose of her, a spill happened there, indicating that the top of the bag was placed to that side of the trunk.

At any rate, JWG gets my :gold_crown: Post of the Day award!
 
Since KC and Amy bought gas cans to retrieve the car I think KC thought the smell would dissipate in a few days. I think she left the car at Amscot thinking that she could pick it up in a few days and the smell would be gone. I don't think KC had a clue about decomposition. The fluid and smell took her by surprise. Caylee was first put in the trunk and then bagged later when KC discovered the fluid and smell. JMO



It could have also been possible that due to the stench in her car KC did not want to take AL to the airport in the Pontiac. Saying the car was out of service allowed her to take AL to the airport in his car thus avoiding someone else smelling that distinctive odor.
 
Seeing the backing really makes a statement. Years ago when I was in property management....we used to have issues with carpets that were cleaned and LATER...stains would emerge. We were told by the carpet cleaners that when a stain soaks into the backing of the carpet.......all the cleaning on the top won't make a difference.

If the carpet is cleaned.........the stain and organic material will still be present in the backing. Unless the back of the carpet is cleaned (or in the case of an apt....the padding) the stain will re-emerge within a few weeks. Additionally...unless a special fluid that eats up biologicals is used....you are just adding further chemicals for reaction.

I suspect that the efforts to clean the trunk liner failed to include cleaning the other side.Even squinting my eyes at the top view of the liner.....yields shades of a stain.

This is absolutely 100% true. We have "builder" grade carpet in my living room. It's cheap and probably as thin as a trunk carpet. We clean it regularly, having two toddlers that wreak havoc on our carpet with apple juice. Anyway, we shampoo the carpet and it looks fantastic however within a week the same exact stains reappear. I've never understood why until now though, makes perfect sense.
 
This is absolutely 100% true. We have "builder" grade carpet in my living room. It's cheap and probably as thin as a trunk carpet. We clean it regularly, having two toddlers that wreak havoc on our carpet with apple juice. Anyway, we shampoo the carpet and it looks fantastic however within a week the same exact stains reappear. I've never understood why until now though, makes perfect sense.

If you lift the carpet and clean the back of the carpet AND pad too.......it will make all the difference....... I doubt that the person that cleaned the trunk liner thought about that.
 
Interesting you tube of Greta and Mark Furhman talking about the body dump site, Amscot, etc...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPdDRIIPc1g[/ame]
 
I just want to add that my neighbor is a retired Detroit PO. Our elderly neighbor died of natural causes a couple of years ago. In conversation with the retired PO, he told me that the decomp smell attaches to everything. When the family of the elderly woman who passed away brought him a picture (in a frame) of her to him because he had looked after her well being for years, the decomp smell invaded his house.

Inre to the Casey A case, there isn't a single juror who won't believe that there wasn't a deceased being in the trunk of her car.
 
I wonder if the state will be allowed to see the stain with the red outline that was posted in that last picture? To me, that had a huge impact. So much so, that I am logging off for awhile after this post. I just can't believe someone could do this to their child and go out partying the next few days. So sad. I am afraid if the red outline was not there it makes it very hard to see it.
 
I wonder if the state will be allowed to see the stain with the red outline that was posted in that last picture? To me, that had a huge impact. So much so, that I am logging off for awhile after this post. I just can't believe someone could do this to their child and go out partying the next few days. So sad. I am afraid if the red outline was not there it makes it very hard to see it.

I'm with you, gamom. It's heartrending.

As for the state being "allowed" to see JWG's work, let's hope that they have folks reading here as diligently as KC's team seems to.
 
Don't forget Caylee was in trash bags that do not seal. Lying down in a trunk any fluids would spill through the openings of the bags. So I would guess she was in the trunk no more than the 2.6 days which is stated in the report. The body breaks down very fast in the Florida heat and in the trunk I would think speeds up the decomp even more. Our bodies are pretty much liquid and that liquid has to go somewhere. If KC could not wait to rid herself of her child why would she want to drive around with it in the trunk of her car when she could easily dispose of Caylee where she was found. JMO

Hi LamChop.
She was ALSO inside of a canvas laundry tote which was lined with waterpoof vinyl, which would NOT have leaked any further. It is quite likely that she bagged her in the garbage bags and then the laundry tote in one fell swoop and replaced her into the trunk for later disposal at the side of the road when she saw her chance...:furious:
 
I agree that JWG's post merits post of the day status - maybe even post of the month. As the OP stated, how sad that JWG and others on WS have shown little Caylee more time, effort, and attention than her own mother.

Thanks so much JWG for your hard work on this. The photos really brought home the reality of what happened to Caylee as well as underscoring how small and vulnerable she truly was.

I have a little granddaughter who is about to turn a year old. She is the bright spot in all our lives - the whole family just dotes on her. Sometimes I look at her and think of what happened to Caylee. It just makes me shudder (which is an understatement).

On another note: I agree with another poster a few posts down who said they didn't think KC had any comprehension of the decomposition process and certainly wasn't expecting the reality of it or the accompanying odor. She thought she could drive around with Caylee's little body in the trunk as long as she wanted and no one would be the wiser. Which is why I agree with JWG and others that she wasn't bagged at first because KC wouldn't have realized the need for bagging and wouldn't have thought that far ahead. She thought she could just dispose of Caylee at her leisure and probably thought she'd come up with some brilliant way to hide what she'd done. The odor and decomp process took her by surprise IMO, and that's why she dumped Caylee's remains so haphazardly and close to home ( "She's close.") I think this (the decomposition process and having to "deal" with it) was the cause of the nightmares she was having at TonE's. In her deluded way of thinking she no doubt thinks SHE has suffered having to face the mess she made.:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:
 
I agree that JWG's post merits post of the day status - maybe even post of the month. As the OP stated, how sad that JWG and others on WS have shown little Caylee more time, effort, and attention than her own mother.

Thanks so much JWG for your hard work on this. The photos really brought home the reality of what happened to Caylee as well as underscoring how small and vulnerable she truly was.

I have a little granddaughter who is about to turn a year old. She is the bright spot in all our lives - the whole family just dotes on her. Sometimes I look at her and think of what happened to Caylee. It just makes me shudder (which is an understatement).

On another note: I agree with another poster a few posts down who said they didn't think KC had any comprehension of the decomposition process and certainly wasn't expecting the reality of it or the accompanying odor. She thought she could drive around with Caylee's little body in the trunk as long as she wanted and no one would be the wiser. Which is why I agree with JWG and others that she wasn't bagged at first because KC wouldn't have realized the need for bagging and wouldn't have thought that far ahead. She thought she could just dispose of Caylee at her leisure and probably thought she'd come up with some brilliant way to hide what she'd done. The odor and decomp process took her by surprise IMO, and that's why she dumped Caylee's remains so haphazardly and close to home ( "She's close.") I think this (the decomposition process and having to "deal" with it) was the cause of the nightmares she was having at TonE's. In her deluded way of thinking she no doubt thinks SHE has suffered having to face the mess she made.:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

Oh but it's not her mess. It's Cindy's mess. Mommy made her do it. She was facing the nightmare of what her mother made her do, not her own mess. This is someone that will NEVER take any sort of responsibility for what happened to Caylee. More likely, she's pissed she had to dispose of Caylee after killing her! The least Cindy could have done was clean up that mess for her, in her mind. How dare her mom make her have to deal with messy decomp!

And I've had a thought about the car seat in relation to the trunk liner. Maybe after killing Caylee in the house, she had to put her down to clear out a spot in the trunk before putting her in it? Maybe her instinct was just to put her in the car seat like always, and then put her in the trunk after she cleared out a space? I don't know if those stains have ever been identified, but I can see her doing this. As messy as her trunk probably was, she probably had to clear out a space first before putting Caylee there. And then she covered her with a blanket and let her rot there until the smell became too much. God, that poor, poor baby...
 
Oh but it's not her mess. It's Cindy's mess. Mommy made her do it. She was facing the nightmare of what her mother made her do, not her own mess. This is someone that will NEVER take any sort of responsibility for what happened to Caylee. More likely, she's pissed she had to dispose of Caylee after killing her! The least Cindy could have done was clean up that mess for her, in her mind. How dare her mom make her have to deal with messy decomp!

(respectfully snipped)

Exactly. ITA!
 
I agree that JWG's post merits post of the day status - maybe even post of the month. As the OP stated, how sad that JWG and others on WS have shown little Caylee more time, effort, and attention than her own mother.

Thanks so much JWG for your hard work on this. The photos really brought home the reality of what happened to Caylee as well as underscoring how small and vulnerable she truly was.

I have a little granddaughter who is about to turn a year old. She is the bright spot in all our lives - the whole family just dotes on her. Sometimes I look at her and think of what happened to Caylee. It just makes me shudder (which is an understatement).

On another note: I agree with another poster a few posts down who said they didn't think KC had any comprehension of the decomposition process and certainly wasn't expecting the reality of it or the accompanying odor. She thought she could drive around with Caylee's little body in the trunk as long as she wanted and no one would be the wiser. Which is why I agree with JWG and others that she wasn't bagged at first because KC wouldn't have realized the need for bagging and wouldn't have thought that far ahead. She thought she could just dispose of Caylee at her leisure and probably thought she'd come up with some brilliant way to hide what she'd done. The odor and decomp process took her by surprise IMO, and that's why she dumped Caylee's remains so haphazardly and close to home ( "She's close.") I think this (the decomposition process and having to "deal" with it) was the cause of the nightmares she was having at TonE's. In her deluded way of thinking she no doubt thinks SHE has suffered having to face the mess she made.:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

I think KC must have had some understanding of the decomp process at least as of the late evening of June 16 when she and Tony watched Untraceable, which includes a scene of someone opening a car trunk and finding a decomposing body. I haven't seen the movie, though--has anyone else seen it? Is it obvious from this scene in the movie that the decomp would cause smells/other problems?
 
Hi :) I'm a longtime lurker and have read/followed the brilliance of so many fabulous sleuthers. I didn't see the outline and until just this morning on another site I see it plain as day. I don't have the priviledge to view images on WS but wonder if the one I'm seeing is what JWG compiled. Can I send someone the link, I'm sure I've read I can't post it for another site but I am really curious if it's one and the same. Thanks in advance.
 
Hi :) I'm a longtime lurker and have read/followed the brilliance of so many fabulous sleuthers. I didn't see the outline and until just this morning on another site I see it plain as day. I don't have the priviledge to view images on WS but wonder if the one I'm seeing is what JWG compiled. Can I send someone the link, I'm sure I've read I can't post it for another site but I am really curious if it's one and the same. Thanks in advance.

Yep, it's the same one. :)
 
Don't forget Caylee was in trash bags that do not seal. Lying down in a trunk any fluids would spill through the openings of the bags. So I would guess she was in the trunk no more than the 2.6 days which is stated in the report. The body breaks down very fast in the Florida heat and in the trunk I would think speeds up the decomp even more. Our bodies are pretty much liquid and that liquid has to go somewhere. If KC could not wait to rid herself of her child why would she want to drive around with it in the trunk of her car when she could easily dispose of Caylee where she was found. JMO

re bolded and underscored by me...

I have done alot of research in the area of maternal fillicide and it is my contention that Casey was having a hard time letting go of Caylee's remains. She wanted to keep her close... keeping her in the trunk, trying to dig to bury her in the backyard and finally placing Caylee's remains "close to home".

http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/

But a study by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children shows that fathers are far more violent. And mothers frequently dispose of the corpses in what researchers call a "womblike" fashion. Bodies are swaddled, submerged in water, or wrapped in plastic. Moreover, the NCMEC study showed that while the victims of maternal killings are almost always found either in or close to the home, fathers will, on average, dispose of the bodies hundreds of miles away. All these behaviors suggest that women associate these murders with themselves, their homes, and their bodies.

I know it is not a popular stance...
 

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