2010.04.13 Theories thread as a result of the search

[TrialAddict]

Did Ron think the 911 lady was the one that was suppose to come to his home that night?

 

[dodie20]

I posted this on a different thread, but it's really bugging me. Did any of you hear the stress test guy say that Misty had passed the question relating to Jo's involvement? Did I mishear that? If Misty actually told the truth for once, I wonder why this wasn't caught earlier. I'm also wondering why Tommy wasn't given, at the very latest, a LDT when he put himself at the crime scene. Can anyone help me here?

 

[gitana1]

I don't think the police feel sorry for him one bit. They wanted to get him dealing just like the rest of the clowns.

Well, I'm sure they want to get the drug dealers off the street but I also think the sting was part of a concerted effort to put pressure on the Croslins. They couldn't just arrest them and not Ron since he was dealing as well.

 

[faefrost]

I'm at a loss for theories now. Since the presser this afternoon and Hardy saying she was killed in that area. huh? I always believed whatever happened, happened at the MH. Now that we have this new info - I'm on overload.

LE found something and even possibly Haleigh so I tend to believe Hardy's info. But, who, how and why would JO, or ToC, or MC, or even RC kill Haleigh out in the woods?

My head hurts. Why can't anyone just "man up" and tell the truth?

Didn't I read in one of these threads that the house Hank Sr was staying in at the time was right near the dock? And that Hank and was in the hospital and his wife was out of town with him at the tiime Hayleigh went missing.

My theory is they staged one of their little parties. Probably at or near Hanks. Something happened, and the lot of them disposed of Hayleigh and covered it up. I don't think it really matters as much who in fact may have killed or harmed the child. By this stage they are all accomplices.

These are not evil geniuses or master criminals. None of the players involved have the capability to effectively stage anything. Really the only weapons in their aresenals are A. Gon't talk, and B. lie. as soon as someone breaks A, it all comes crashing down, which is what I think is happening now.

I am still refusing to believe that Misty kept quiet and covered up all of this time because she was affraid cousin Joe would harm her. Sorry, nope! Just not credible. She is in it up to her armpits.

 

[suspicious1]

Well, I'm sure they want to get the drug dealers off the street but I also think the sting was part of a concerted effort to put pressure on the Croslins. They couldn't just arrest them and not Ron since he was dealing as well.

Considering the extremely high bonds, I think the drug bust was about Ron and Misty. If it hadn't been for the other players being around Ron and Misty selling those drugs I think Hope, Tommy, and Donna would've gone unnoticed. JMO though

 

[scandi]

Dang.

This thing has so many characters and twists and turns and clues and evidence and stuff it should be a board game. That's might as well be latest theory: It's a board game.

Or ... a mystery novel. Or a movie.

Only, it's not a game, nor fiction, nor a film adaptation...

Gosh I hope one of these pieces of evidence speaks loudly for Haleigh.
RIP little angel...

Hi Emma, I see it as a puzzle and hopefully now the pieces will start falling into place.

And about those pieces of evidence speaking loudly for Haleigh, we have seen that happen often. Remembering Laci and how we all called it a miracle when she and Connor washed ashore, divine intervention stepping in.

I pray the same for Haleigh, that divine intervention will in some way let her speak from wherever she is. xox

 

[Wescott]

I posted this on a different thread, but it's really bugging me. Did any of you hear the stress test guy say that Misty had passed the question relating to Jo's involvement? Did I mishear that? If Misty actually told the truth for once, I wonder why this wasn't caught earlier. I'm also wondering why Tommy wasn't given, at the very latest, a LDT when he put himself at the crime scene. Can anyone help me here?

Hiya .. just getting here and reading transcripts. This is from TJ Ward on Issues.

" I asked her directly if she knew if Tommy and Joe were directly involved with the -- with the disappearance of Haleigh, and she said no, and it came back deceptive."

 

[suspicious1]

Hiya .. just getting here and reading transcripts. This is from TJ Ward on Issues.

" I asked her directly if she knew if Tommy and Joe were directly involved with the -- with the disappearance of Haleigh, and she said no, and it came back deceptive."

One could interpret that in a few ways. One being-- if Misty was asked "Do you know if Tommy and Jo were directly involved?" and she answered NO and was being deceptive...that could mean that Misty does know whether they are directly involved OR not....That doesn't mean that they are directly involved, only that she knows if they are or not. KWIM?

Now if she was asked "Was Tommy and Jo directly involved?" and she answered NO and showed deception...that would mean that they were involved.

The wording is key.

 

[Wescott]

One could interpret that in a few ways. One being-- if Misty was asked "Do you know if Tommy and Jo were directly involved?" and she answered NO and was being deceptive...that could mean that Misty does know whether they are directly involved OR not....That doesn't mean that they are directly involved, only that she knows if they are or not. KWIM?

Now if she was asked "Was Tommy and Jo directly involved?" and she answered NO and showed deception...that would mean that they were involved.

The wording is key.

For sure and also IMO the examiners interpretation of the results. I don't put a whole lot of faith in poly's.

 

[suspicious1]

For sure and also IMO the examiners interpretation of the results. I don't put a whole lot of faith in poly's.

I don't either Wes but right now that's all we've got. Lord knows I wish we had more but unfortunately we don't. I hope this comes to an end soon.

I'm ready for a Doc Dump!

 

[GhstTrkn]

My feeling is LE would have done this at the very beginning of the search. I really think they brought the family in to let them know that based on recent tips, they believe Haleigh is dead and that they are working around the clock to find her. That's what LE is supposed to do in such a situation, otherwise you have family upset that they are not being told anything and must learn all from the news. To learn of the death of a child from the news would be horrible.

Maybe it's just me, but I do not think Ron is involved in Haleigh's disappearance or any after-the-fact cover up. I truly do not think so. Hopefully I won't have to eat my words. Here's why I don't think he is involved:
1. He was at work. I think by now LE could discern where he was. I don't think either he or Misty are good enough actors to cover up an earlier killing of a child by an hours later 911 call.
2. The 911 call. It seemed believable to me. Well, Ron did, Misty did not. I have known guys like Ron. His reactions seemed normal for a guy like him. His anger, calling Misty a bit#@, etc. I heard panic in his voice.
3. His anguish later on. Those were real wails and tears to me. I think he really loved his kid.
4. LE has never given any indication that Ron is involved, a suspect or "holds the key" to what happened, unlike with Misty.
5. His relationship with Misty. This seems confusing, but not totally to me. Ron is not the brightest tool in the shed. But he knows this: That he made a mistake in entrusting his precious kids to a member of a family from "Deliverance". He likely could not face that his decision could have cost his child her life. Plus, he was in love with Misty. How could he have been so wrong? Instead of facing the fact that he made such an error in judgment and then have to point the finger at himself rather than someone else, he tells himself there is no way Misty could have hurt Haleigh. He tries hard to convince himself of this, even marrying her to do so. But deep in his heart, I think he knows she did something, failed to protect Haleigh or knows exactly what happened.

Bottom line, IMO Ron is a low class kind if guy with zero education and limited intelligence. He is a criminal type, obviously. Probably violent at times as well. But these kind of people are capable of ferocious love for their children. That's why baby killers and rapers have such a hard time in prison and can't go into the general pop: Guys like Ron will kill them if given the chance.
Is he a good guy? Was he a good parent? I wouldn't give him any awards, but there are millions across the U.S. just like him, trying to make their way through the world with the limited resources they have and most of the millions like him wouldn't dream of hurting their children.
I don't think Ron knows what happened with the exception that his negligence and lack of parenting skills led to the disappearance of his little girl. He will have to live with that forever and I think that's why he doesn't seem to care whether he rots in jail or not. He lost one of the two most precious things he had and ultimately, it is his actions that led to that loss.

6. The meeting with LE and Ron's expression as he left that meeting. I don't think LE would have brought him there if they thought he was a potential suspect. They would have told him separately and used that opportunity to gauge his reactions and interrogate. I get the sense that LE feels sorry for him and although they know he's not a stellar person, they also feel for his loss. As far as his expression as he left the meeting, again, I have known guys like him and the expression makes sense to me. Ron has probably known for a long time that Haleigh is unlikely to be alive. His mind is now set to revenge. His words all along have shown that's where he is at. His expression told me that he was thinking: "I heard what I need to. I'm coming to get ya'. It won't be long."

We'll see what happens but my experience and instinct tell me Ron Cummings is not involved. If I'm wrong, the evil of what happened to Haleigh will seem all the more greater to me.

I agree, I don't think he was involved either. I also agree with most of your points of WHY...I have made a lot of those points as well (though I will admit that you said them MUCH better than I did LOL). I am willing to eat the proverbial crow if he really was involved but I just can't see it that way at this time.

 

[Wescott]

I don't either Wes but right now that's all we've got. Lord knows I wish we had more but unfortunately we don't. I hope this comes to an end soon.

I'm ready for a Doc Dump!

The sooner the better. Haleigh needs to come home, the little darling.

Gotta love those doc dumps.

 

[kalekona]

I agree, I don't think he was involved either. I also agree with most of your points of WHY...I have made a lot of those points as well (though I will admit that you said them MUCH better than I did LOL). I am willing to eat the proverbial crow if he really was involved but I just can't see it that way at this time.

Add me to the agree side.

I have lived this type of blind devotion/denial watching a friend throw his life away because he couldn't let go of the fantasy he had of the family and white picket fence.
Denial is a very powerful trickster.

 

[suspicious1]

My feeling is LE would have done this at the very beginning of the search. I really think they brought the family in to let them know that based on recent tips, they believe Haleigh is dead and that they are working around the clock to find her. That's what LE is supposed to do in such a situation, otherwise you have family upset that they are not being told anything and must learn all from the news. To learn of the death of a child from the news would be horrible.

Maybe it's just me, but I do not think Ron is involved in Haleigh's disappearance or any after-the-fact cover up. I truly do not think so. Hopefully I won't have to eat my words. Here's why I don't think he is involved:
1. He was at work. I think by now LE could discern where he was. I don't think either he or Misty are good enough actors to cover up an earlier killing of a child by an hours later 911 call. (But we don't know when the crime took place so even if he was at work that doesn't mean he had no involvement. There's 24 hrs in a day, he didn't work all of them. And right after he was fired, laid off...whatever..the company installed a more hightech Time clock system. What's your take on that one?)
2. The 911 call. It seemed believable to me. Well, Ron did, Misty did not. I have known guys like Ron. His reactions seemed normal for a guy like him. His anger, calling Misty a bit#@, etc. I heard panic in his voice. (IMO, Ron's reactions were as fake as Misty's. Who has better people to talk to other than the police, when your child is missing? We didn't hear about Ron walking/running the block looking for his daughter. Ron didn't want to be on that 911 call no more than Misty did. Who's concerned about the call being "on recording" while trying to give vital details about your missing daughter? I call it BS.)
3. His anguish later on. Those were real wails and tears to me. I think he really loved his kid. (I don't doubt that he loved his kids, but those could've been guilt tears not love tears.lol)
4. LE has never given any indication that Ron is involved, a suspect or "holds the key" to what happened, unlike with Misty. (Ok if we go with that why did Ron need a criminal defense lawyer? Furthermore, for months Ron wouldn't even go talk to LE. But he wants his child back right? If I was LE I wouldn't want to give any indications to the person I thought was responsible either not if their building a case around him.)
5. His relationship with Misty. This seems confusing, but not totally to me. Ron is not the brightest tool in the shed. But he knows this: That he made a mistake in entrusting his precious kids to a member of a family from "Deliverance". He likely could not face that his decision could have cost his child her life. Plus, he was in love with Misty. How could he have been so wrong? Instead of facing the fact that he made such an error in judgment and then have to point the finger at himself rather than someone else, he tells himself there is no way Misty could have hurt Haleigh. He tries hard to convince himself of this, even marrying her to do so. But deep in his heart, I think he knows she did something, failed to protect Haleigh or knows exactly what happened. (His continued relationship/marriage with Misty was nothing more than him trying to convince himself that if he did she could not tell and/or testify against him. IMO, Love or not, Ron would've destroyed Misty if he thought she did something to his daughter. He was already knocking her around... .look at what happened to her when she told him she was pregnant with his child...he knocked her around. So if he knew, deep in his heart, that she did something to or with his daughter, Misty would've got a beat down for sure. But she didn't.)

Bottom line, IMO Ron is a low class kind if guy with zero education and limited intelligence. He is a criminal type, obviously. Probably violent at times as well. But these kind of people are capable of ferocious love for their children.(Absolutely. So what do you think Ron would've done to these punks if he even thought they were involved, including Misty? He did nothing to them, none of them, and one just lived around the corner from him at the time. All he did was put a dead rat in Tommys mailbox. If you know guys like Ron, then you and I both know what a "dead rat" means. Rat=snitch, A Dead Rat=Dead Snitch. Meaning if you talk you die, c'mon you know that. So what was there to tell?? IMO, we are seeing it in action right now, the result of Tommy talking and Ron is involved.) That's why baby killers and rapers have such a hard time in prison and can't go into the general pop: Guys like Ron will kill them if given the chance.
Is he a good guy? (Nope) Was he a good parent? (Nope) I wouldn't give him any awards, but there are millions across the U.S. just like him, trying to make their way through the world with the limited resources they have and most of the millions like him wouldn't dream of hurting their children.
I don't think Ron knows what happened with the exception that his negligence and lack of parenting skills led to the disappearance of his little girl. He will have to live with that forever and I think that's why he doesn't seem to care whether he rots in jail or not. He lost one of the two most precious things he had and ultimately, it is his actions that led to that loss. (Absolutely..may he seat there forever)
6. The meeting with LE and Ron's expression as he left that meeting. I don't think LE would have brought him there if they thought he was a potential suspect. They would have told him separately and used that opportunity to gauge his reactions and interrogate. I get the sense that LE feels sorry for him and although they know he's not a stellar person, they also feel for his loss. As far as his expression as he left the meeting, again, I have known guys like him and the expression makes sense to me. Ron has probably known for a long time that Haleigh is unlikely to be alive. His mind is now set to revenge. His words all along have shown that's where he is at. His expression told me that he was thinking: "I heard what I need to. I'm coming to get ya'. It won't be long." (We all have interpreted his expression in our own way. I too have been in a world similiar to Ron's and know guys just the same. His expression to me was more like "It's over." Not like "it's over, I'm gonna kill someone", IMO, it was more like "It's over. I know Misty and her family is talking and she's going to tell on me." That's how I saw it.) LE just came out today and said they have persons of interest now...sooo Monday when they brought the family in they hadn't made that determination as of yet, so Ron was still just a drug trafficking father of a missing girl...Let's see if Ron be at any more meetings in the future concerning Haleigh. I don't think he will. IMO, he is one of the persons of interest.)
We'll see what happens but my experience and instinct tell me Ron Cummings is not involved. If I'm wrong, the evil of what happened to Haleigh will seem all the more greater to me.

(My experience and my instincts tell me that Ron is involved.If I'm wrong I'll be woman enough to admit.)

BBM
We are all entitled to our opinions and these are mine on the subject. :innocent:

 

[dodie20]

Hiya .. just getting here and reading transcripts. This is from TJ Ward on Issues.

" I asked her directly if she knew if Tommy and Joe were directly involved with the -- with the disappearance of Haleigh, and she said no, and it came back deceptive."

o.k., then I guess this was the real tip. Why wasn't this pursued earlier? If this is true, it changes every thing. & OMG, why weren't Misty' s accusations taken seriously?

 

[4Jacy]

Wheres that orlando guy, mistys buddy... anyone know? funny he dosnt want to come around to visit her in jail...makes me wonder if its because shes in jail and dosnt wanna get caught up or MAYBE more?

Almost, I'm getting confused here. I thought Orlando was the black guy that was Ron's best friend and was at the tent with him a couple of times. Do I have this wrong? tia

 

[tragco]

There are just too many law-breaking liars and too little evidence in this case. Haleigh's justice might have to come in the form of people being arrested for other things.

Even if LE does find and confirm evidence that Haleigh was thrown off the boat dock (shudders), who would they arrest and what evidence would they have after all this time that could point to the killer? There are too many potential suspects.

Polygraphs can't be admitted as evidence in court. HOW is LE ever supposed to confirm who did it without fingerprints or some kind of DNA evidence? None of this will be on the evidence dragged from the river after all this time, IMO.

Suppose they find a weapon... well, there have been so many stories of stolen weapons that LE can't pin it on the owner, right?

I think that's why they could not arrest Joe Overstreet. The only evidence they may have is the testimony of two incarcerated individuals. It's not enough to arrest, much less convict. IMO, LE went down to Tenn. hoping to spell out some evidence and get a confession. Any good lawyer would stop an interview long before that point.

LE has an impossible task ahead of them. I truly hope that the smoking gun will be found, but every day I begin to doubt anyone will be taken to trial for the murder of poor Haleigh. The only way would be if the murderer decides to confess.

It's really sad that Haleigh was put in close proximity with so many losers that none of them can be pinned down.

 

[pingpong]

With the disturbing story about the deer blood, I'm wondering about that guy in the neighborhood that supposedly had an underground pig farm? I hate to write that, but with all of this other info coming out, I wonder.

Also, just a gut feeling that LE might consider getting Misty's jacket with the green circles, she wore that shortly after Haleigh went missing.

 

[Emeralgem]

Hiya .. just getting here and reading transcripts. This is from TJ Ward on Issues.

" I asked her directly if she knew if Tommy and Joe were directly involved with the -- with the disappearance of Haleigh, and she said no, and it came back deceptive."

I heard T J Ward make that statement last night on NG, and I was somewhat confused as to WHY he stated that she said, "no" they weren't involved because Misty stated in the LVA that IF Tommy was involved so was Jo....(or vice versa).. And her making that statment is on the LVA videos posted on youtube..JMO

 

[tehcloser]

Almost, I'm getting confused here. I thought Orlando was the black guy that was Ron's best friend and was at the tent with him a couple of times. Do I have this wrong? tia

Orlando was Ron's BFF.