2010.04.13 Theories thread as a result of the search

[Helplessly Hoping]

I really want to think along these lines, as well. What bothers me is that I just keep feeling like Hayleigh's demise has something to do with retaliation against Ron. I can't think of a more serious way to get even with a man than to murder and/or rape and murder his little girl. I really want to know more about this Joe character and the gun issue. Ron was doing illegal things way before his daughter went missing.

hmmm...retaliation has often crossed my mind as Haleigh was known to be Ron's "heart", even Crystal stated this. Given the long history of drug charges leveled at Ron, it would be likely that this has been a long-standing "issue" for him and while I believe people can recover--from the uc tapes, Ron didn't look to be in recovery mode. Drugs and guns and kids don't mix.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

If, Haleigh was given and overdose of something to make her sleep. Would giving her something be Misty's idea or was it something, Ron told her to do.

IDK but I wonder if Amber B has been able to provide LE with any info about this happening during her tenure with Ron. Or if Jr was able to provide details...that poor kid; but he was old enough IMO to explain to LE what he knew that night if interviewed immediately by detectives and I believe he was. JMO

 

[TrialAddict]

I think Haleigh died from an overdose of whatever, Misty gave her to make her sleep, Misty left the home to go party came back and found Haleigh had died. Joe may have been with Misty partying. They came up with a plan to dispose of Haleigh's body. Joe may have called Tommy to meet him at the river, but I don't believe Tommy was in the MH at the time, Joe took Haleigh out. I can see, Tommy not telling on Misty and as long as Joe kept quite he had no reason to tell on him, until either his conscious got to him or he knew he was being blamed

 

[Curious Me]

Suppose this was a death by overdose, accidently happening, or an over-medication given by Misty to make Haleigh sleep. Why would Ron be so willing to start up this hoax story as a cover up? What was Ron's involvement?

He left a young gf to watch his child who got into some meds.
Why hide something like that? Ron wasn't unknowingly starting a cover.

I think that's what gets me everytime - Ron's behavior.

 

[dodie20]

Ron did separate himself rather quickly following his "passed" LDT. Maybe Ron realized that he did not pass the LDT and wanted nothing more to do with LE, especially more questioning.

I wonder about that test. The only people I've heard say that he passed besides him & his mom, is Nancy Grace. Nobody's ever refuted her, but maybe that's because they don't know. I wonder who her source is. I sincerely hope she went on more than Ron's word...but then again, her source could've gone on Ron's word. But, Ron is not a grieving father who's done everything right. Until I hear differently from a reliable source, I won't believe that he passed.

 

[mistermissy]

Suppose this was a death by overdose, accidently happening, or an over-medication given by Misty to make Haleigh sleep. Why would Ron be so willing to start up this hoax story as a cover up? What was Ron's involvement?

He left a young gf to watch his child who got into some meds.
Why hide something like that? Ron wasn't unknowingly starting a cover.

I think that's what gets me everytime - Ron's behavior.

Because he was a drug dealer and was selfishly thinking of himself and how much trouble he would be in? Not to mention no more dope. jmo.

 

[Sailor Bug]

We can't ignore some other facts:
Press Release from Tommy Croslin's Attorney

-On Thursday, April 8, 2010, Tommy did take a polygraph

-On Sunday night, April 11, 2010, Lindsey Croslin (Tommys Wife) called his attorney to inform him Tommy requested that we meet with Steven K. Brown (Crystal Sheffields private investigator for the past 10-11 months)

-April 12, 2010 @ 9:30AM Steven K. Brown, Tommy & his attorney met at the St. Johns County Jail to discuss the polygraph and February 9, 2009 (The day lil Haleigh disappeared)

-Based on discussions that morning, this attorney made contact with FDLE, the State Attorney’s Office and Scott Bolin, Special Agent, FBI, and arranged an interview with Tommy at the State Attorney’s Office, Homicide Investigations Unit, St. Augustine, Florida, at approximately 5:00 PM.

a result of the 2 plus hours interview with Jason Jolicoeiur, Special Agent, FDLE, Detective Peggy Cone, Putnam Co. Sheriff’s Office, under the guidance of this attorney and Steven K. Brown, Tommy took the group to the Shell Harbour Road boat ramp, St Johns River, Putnam County, Florida

-10:00 AM, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 commencement of the river search for Haleigh






http://www.thesky973.com/pages/6823795.php

 

[panthera]

I'd like to know what evidence they have that makes them believe it is a homicide... much less that she is dead. If they are taking the word of Tommy, Misty and Granny H, then I would say that's pretty iffy.
They're going to have to figure out WHO did it before they can figure out WHY.

Sadly, it didn't take me very long after her disappearance to figure out that it was more likely than not that Haleigh is dead. It just seems now LE has something credible to make that statement. I also believe LE got their information from phone calls originating at the jail and not a "tip". MOO

 

[panthera]

Another old favorite:

Overdose by parent/caregiver, who routinely dosed the kids to "help" them get to sleep. Haleigh old enough to fight sleep, required higher and higher doses to achieve desired effect. Overdose was deadly, cover-up ensued - important that her body not be found and tested for overdose, or Ron would lose Butterbean as well. See potential for "lots of help" with regard to cover-up in this scenario. Still a negligent homicide.

And to follow along with this thought ~ Ron has an alibi that he's at work while his ever-dutiful and loving girlfriend has her brother help her dispose of Haleigh's body. Meanwhile, since her "evil" cousin, JO, is in town who better for her to try to throw under the bus as being the one responsible? Just a scenario and MOO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Wondering if you're thinking Joe took Haleigh from the MH before she died, or after?

I agree that it probably all came down because Ron did something nasty to someone, and that person (s) was on mission to get at Ron's "heart" which was his little innocent daughter. Ron keeping this a cover up would be to save his own butt. I do feel he has been active in the cover-up, as well as some of his family. He was ultimately responsible for Haleigh's safety and failed big time.

In this theory I'm saying that Joe took a live Haleigh with them to the boat ramp, this way Misty had time to see that he was serious about his threat to throw her in the river if Misty did not produce the gun. Kind of like counting to three or else.

 

[lonetraveler]

I've been aggravated by this thought ever since the first video showing that the search was taking place at the boat ramp. I just can not make sense of someone putting a body tied to a concrete block right in the waterway path to a public boat ramp. I've been thinking about this and have come up with a possible theory that could explain it.

In this theory, Ron directed Tommy and Joe exactly where to put Haleigh, I'm guessing just to one side of the boat path onto the boat ramp. Either left of or right of the actual concrete ramp, in this theory it doesn't matter which side. Maybe one end of the rope was actually tied to a pier pole. Ron wanted someone to be able to easily locate Haleigh later so that that person could move Haleigh to another site. This way, Misty, Tommy, Joe, Timmy or anyone else would not know where Haleigh is now located. Only the person, who probably came up by boat later on that night, snagged the rope, pulled Haleigh up and into the boat and away they could go. This is how I can see where GGMS wants proof of a dead Haleigh. This is also how all my earlier theories of the Cummings family being involved in the coverup, could play out. All it takes is a relative who knows the river and that particular boat ramp.

Thank you, I feel better writing this out.

 

[Wendy101]

I never post here, but I have been watching and reading....

All stories told seem to boil down to a gun...

I wonder if this particular gun has been involved in a previous crime therefore, a HUGE cover up with the 3 of them.. perhaps all three were involved in a previous crime that involved that gun..... I mean really, kill an innocent child over a gun?

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I would like some corroborating evidence of any minute kind proving Haleigh is no longer with us. Can't seem to fully believe in Joe, Tommy, Misty or Grandma Hollers statements. LE has more than we do, so they probably can make better sense of all the stories these individuals are putting out.

Hard to believe Haleigh lost her life due to a gun, gun dispute. Hard to believe two other individuals, Tommy and Misty just stood around on the boat ramp and watched Haleigh go down. I think the St. Johns River is a good enough place to investigate, and has been mentioned by locals, sleuthers since the beginning of this case.

I don't know what or who to believe. Grateful the case is getting attention. Never know what could trigger more information or scare the guilty to confess. Waiting patiently for credible information. No matter what has happened to Haleigh, it will shock us all, as it will never make sense she was taken and gone for this length of time. Hopefully LE is closer to answers. My hope has risen.

 

[Baznme]

Because he was a drug dealer and was selfishly thinking of himself and how much trouble he would be in? Not to mention no more dope. jmo.

Not to mention.........he was reportedly "slap happy" with his kids. A concussion is my guess. The symptoms don't show right away. The child gets sleepy, goes to sleep, starts vomiting and if you don't get them to the hospital, they can perish. That's why you always look for a bump on the outside of the head, otherwise, it's on the inside. Pressure on the brain that builds over time. I think the bouncing couch was an attempt on someone's part to resuscitate Haleigh to no avail.

Tommy has admitted to being there at 10pm that night and ironically was supposedly the last time MC saw Haleigh, according to her yet, Tommy claims no one was home. So who's lying about that?

It's suspicious activity at Timmy's/Chelsea's that leads us to believe Joe may have been there also but that part doesn't make any sense when you consider it was Tommy that broke into his elderly neighbor's home a couple of months back and stole items. Was one of those items not a gun? Some household cleaning items also. To me, the similiarities point to Tommy. I'm guessing but, I think it was Tommy that went to the MH later to get that gun to make a fast buck for his next fix and wound up participating in the coverup. It was clear on the tape of Lindsey and Tommy, he was foolish with the family funds for his drugs.

If Joe was there, and I say that as a big "if", it was for the help to retrieve a gun, not hide a child that was now deceased. They got brought back up to speed by Misty when they got there. She knows what really happened and until SHE starts talking, we won't know the absolute truth. She better know she's in real trouble and stop with the "ME FIRST".

 

[dodie20]

I've been trying to keep an open mind, (especially with Ronald), because of all of these new revelations. A lot has been made of the fact that Ronald made threats to kill whoever took Haleigh, but didn't seem to follow through. If Ron suspected Jo, I don't think he would've necessarily gone looking for him, & here's my reasoning. My daughter was in a situation where 3 girls were threatening to group jump her. I'm not gonna bore you with the details, but those girls most definantly had it comin'. She told them that she was not gonna meet them or go looking for them, but when she ran into them, she was gonna 'get 'em', & hurt them...& that's exactly what she did. Some people, especially young people, have that approach to revenge. Waiting out their enemy is part of the game. Maybe it makes pay back that much sweeter? If Ron is an innocent in this, & suspected Jo, I can see him doing this very thing.

 

[pip]

I've been trying to keep an open mind, (especially with Ronald), because of all of these new revelations. A lot has been made of the fact that Ronald made threats to kill whoever took Haleigh, but didn't seem to follow through. If Ron suspected Jo, I don't think he would've necessarily gone looking for him, & here's my reasoning. My daughter was in a situation where 3 girls were threatening to group jump her. I'm not gonna bore you with the details, but those girls most definantly had it comin'. She told them that she was not gonna meet them or go looking for them, but when she ran into them, she was gonna 'get 'em', & hurt them...& that's exactly what she did. Some people, especially young people, have that approach to revenge. Waiting out their enemy is part of the game. Maybe it makes pay back that much sweeter? If Ron is an innocent in this, & suspected Jo, I can see him doing this very thing.

Or, what does Joe hold over Ron's head to prevent him from going after him ??:waitasec:

 

[doobiedoo52]

If you listen to the Ron/Cobra tapes in that thread, I think RC thought that him & Hank Sr had put the fear of God into Joe 2 weeks before that when he initially stole the gun. I think Ron kept it hidden after that until Joe went home. It also now makes sense that Joe was already intending to leave the day Haleigh disappeared. He thought he could get the gun again and take off for Tennessee and Ron wouldn't find him.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Lots of red flags since day one.
Screen door propped open with a cinder block, but nobody has been able to clarify how the back door with a dead bold got unlocked? Unless it was a key-less dead bold, then it would of had to of been open from the inside of the MH. LE said no signs of forced entry. LE said early on, this was no stranger abduction.
This brick played a big role then and now, if these two alleged cinder blocks that were found are part of the batch that are lying around the back yard of the MH on Green Ln.
When asked about the cinder block Ron states that he never messes with that stuff. Then he says they may of been from out back around the shed from where he is renting, but he didn't notice, never seen any cinder blocks. He rarely goes outback, only to wash his car. Also, in the same interview
On Feb 12th Ron tells NG he took a poly and passed flying colors as well as Misty. LE never said if anyone passed or failed. But we do know now that Misty failed, but through LE. Last year through TM and this time through Art Harris. Ron never mentions anything about Joe. Nothing...to NG, the media, or in his pleas for Haleigh. Yet now he says he told the 911 operator about Joe.



Here we are 14 months later with the finger pointing to Joe. But listen to Ron's interview back in Feb 2009 regarding who he thought took Haleigh. Which by the way, he says..if he knew she would not be missing. Anyway, notice his demeanor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJIosR505o&feature=related

 

[cj1132]

I think someone may have mentioned this earlier and I've been pondering it.

Maybe this infamous gun was used to kill someone else which brings up the question of who was it and who pulled the trigger? Taking HC could be retaliation for shooting this other person. Just another theory to throw out there.

 

[Emma Peel]

Another way-out-there thought re Joe: cuz Joe jealous?

(Ron took "his Misty"; so, cuz Joe took Ron's Haleigh?)

(crazy? :crazy: yes :yes