2010.04.22 NANCY GRACE:Flora Hollars and Annette Sykes Debate

[Wise Old Owl]

I have to say that the show tonight was quite civil and not the "Jerry Springeresque" that we'd thought it would be.

I did get some insight - it seems these two GGM's have been communicating, maybe even sharing notes. Although, GMH will correct you - like she did when GGMS was talking about going to the search area. I still can't get over that. I have visions of Dominic Casey with his lil prod stick. WHY did they go there.

And speaking of "they" - where o where is TN lately? She has been laying real real real low. She's usually been the first one out there on the TV circuit. That's got me wonderin'.

 

[Donjeta]

GGMS said she did the kids clothes

SYKES: She did hers and Ronald`s and the household laundry, but I did the children`s clothes because I didn`t like them -- I didn`t like them to have stains or anything on them. I`m real -- I just always did their laundry, the children`s laundry. They did their own...

GRACE: And at that time...

SYKES: ... the adults` and the household laundry.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

Wait a sec... is she implying that Misty and Ronald used stained clothes?

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Her 5 year old great-Grandaughter was mysteriously missing. The timeline was critical.

Yet it took her 3 weeks to tell the story she was there after her grandson went to his shift. And tells reporters instead of the FBI Child Crime Unit.

A grandma doing laundry per se is quite ordinary. She's making herself the only one who saw the missing child alive after she left school. (outside ron & misty - the caregivers and co-habitators at the home).

With no proof.

Don't forget, Tommy and his children were there, plus the A/C guy in February, and who knows who else slithered by.....

Who was it who drove by and waved? Wasn't that originally GGS? Wasn't someone else with her? Then the story changed to dropping off clean laundry but not going in? Now she's dropping off the laundry, carrying it inside, and putting shirts on the kids?

I need to find the earlier reports.....

 

[Texas Mist]

I have to say that the show tonight was quite civil and not the "Jerry Springeresque" that we'd thought it would be.

I did get some insight - it seems these two GGM's have been communicating, maybe even sharing notes. Although, GMH will correct you - like she did when GGMS was talking about going to the search area. I still can't get over that. I have visions of Dominic Casey with his lil prod stick. WHY did they go there.

And speaking of "they" - where o where is TN lately? She has been laying real real real low. She's usually been the first one out there on the TV circuit. That's got me wonderin'.

IMO, the most Springeresque moments were Chelsea saying "I don`t believe that -- anything that Flo Hollars is saying I think is a complete lie." & Flo saying "You lie."

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have to say that the show tonight was quite civil and not the "Jerry Springeresque" that we'd thought it would be.

I did get some insight - it seems these two GGM's have been communicating, maybe even sharing notes. Although, GMH will correct you - like she did when GGMS was talking about going to the search area. I still can't get over that. I have visions of Dominic Casey with his lil prod stick. WHY did they go there.

And speaking of "they" - where o where is TN lately? She has been laying real real real low. She's usually been the first one out there on the TV circuit. That's got me wonderin'.

I've been wondering about TN too, she's been awful quiet.

I have a real hard time with GGM and TN marching through the woods looking for a deceased child's remains. That's not something many people could do, even if they didn't know the child. Now here's Haleigh's Grandmother and GGrandmother searching themselves, no call to LE...that's just plain creepy.

 

[Donjeta]

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BBM I can imagine Misty letting the kids run around or eat w/out any shirts on because it's reasonable to think she got one or two complaints about the clothing. GmaS may have offered to do the kids laundry not just because she likes sparkling whites, but it gives her an excuse to drop it off and check up on Misty.

I'm late to the thread...What the heck? The kids were eating supper out on the porch without shirts on??? Wasn't it too cold for that?

 

[Maven2379]

Don't forget, Tommy and his children were there, plus the A/C guy in February, and who knows who else slithered by.....

Who was it who drove by and waved? Wasn't that originally GGS? Wasn't someone else with her? Then the story changed to dropping off clean laundry but not going in? Now she's dropping off the laundry, carrying it inside, and putting shirts on the kids?

I need to find the earlier reports.....

Here are a couple:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18748531/detail.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18871703/detail.html

 

[Adalena935]

And you know this how? That Skyes did not tell LE the first night? FBI child crime unit? You mean CART? If she did not tell them I wonder where LE came up with eight hours in question. I mean Misty said she saw Haleigh at 10pm and that would be five and half hours in question. Sykes saw her at 7:30pm and that equals eight hours in question. Haleigh alive after school is only confirmed by Sykes?
What About
Junior Cummings
Hank Croslin's three children
AC Repair man
The person Skyes had in the car with her when she dropped off the laundry?
These neighborhood folks that Marie Griffis said were the last persons to see Haleigh playing on her bike that evening around 6pm.

I never claimed to be privy to all law enforcement knows of this case. I'm giving my opinion. I'm sorry you mistook my post as being such.

I do not believe GGS's story.

Yes indeed LE's gone with the 8 hour timeline since GGS said she was there. Sometime in the seven o'clock hour as I recall. Trouble I have is teresa neves told Greta she was the one took the clothes to the house. Then there was another story wherein multiple family members arrived with the freshly laundered clothing. and you know what LE often says about changing stories. They're not believeable. If a person't to believe a story about the laundry which one would you pick? It seems like a shell game to me.

It's fact there is no proof that any of us know to back GGS's particular story. All the stories were recorded on tv and are on youtube on the Internet to be viewed. So none of it's my idea. GGS changed her story again tonite to Nancy Grace 14 mos after the fact even.

Sad for Haleigh.

 

[Whisperer]

And you know this how? That Skyes did not tell LE the first night? FBI child crime unit? You mean CART? If she did not tell them I wonder where LE came up with eight hours in question. I mean Misty said she saw Haleigh at 10pm and that would be five and half hours in question. Sykes saw her at 7:30pm and that equals eight hours in question. Haleigh alive after school is only confirmed by Sykes?
What About
Junior Cummings
Hank Croslin's three children
AC Repair man
The person Skyes had in the car with her when she dropped off the laundry?
These neighborhood folks that Marie Griffis said were the last persons to see Haleigh playing on her bike that evening around 6pm.

Pretty sure that info about the neighbors came from TN and Marie was repeating what she heard.

 

[Maven2379]

I'm late to the thread...What the heck? The kids were eating supper out on the porch without shirts on??? Wasn't it too cold for that?

IHNI Just that tonight on NG, GGMS said she brought some laundry over and Misty helped her carry the clothes in and then they got the kids shirts on :waitasec:

Who knows?

Transcript is here:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html

 

[newstome]

When my girls were little, my Mother in law used to stop by a
lot- sometimes 2-3 times a day, she was lonely and she loved the girls and how they screamed, laughed and hugged her! I have to admit, it drove me crazy, as she called several times a day to give me advice and talk as well. She also always went downstairs to pick up all or any dirty laundry to "help me" she said, even if it was only 3 or 4 items. How I tried to keep the laundry up and the house clean for all those visits! Now I know it was because she was lonely and needed to feel needed. The screams I get when I visit my little Grandson can keep me smiling a long time. My girls filled the same need we all have to be loved for their Grandma, as well as for GGS, I suspect.
As far as the children changing their shirts into clean ones GGS took over, could it have
been into clean nightshirts?
I'm not sure what to think of GH, first time I saw her was tonight. She looked angry and ready for a verbal fight to me. Her eyes constantly moved side to side, but she did not move her head, body tense, looked agitated. For sure an older version of Misty.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I mentioned this earlier but it was when the show was still on and I guess it got lost. Did GGS wait for several days before telling LE she had been at that MH that night? I thought that was the case. Did she wait til after Ron's LDT?

I don't remember when Ron took the LDT, nor do I remember exactly when her story began to change, but I do remember we were all scratching our heads. I hadn't heard the story she told tonight before this. Not that I remember everything, but this was a surprise.

 

[catnron]

And you know this how? That Skyes did not tell LE the first night? FBI child crime unit? You mean CART? If she did not tell them I wonder where LE came up with eight hours in question. I mean Misty said she saw Haleigh at 10pm and that would be five and half hours in question. Sykes saw her at 7:30pm and that equals eight hours in question. Haleigh alive after school is only confirmed by Sykes?
What About
Junior Cummings
Hank Croslin's three children
AC Repair man
The person Skyes had in the car with her when she dropped off the laundry?
These neighborhood folks that Marie Griffis said were the last persons to see Haleigh playing on her bike that evening around 6pm.

Also 10pm is the time Tommy said he was at the trailer banging on the door, but no one answered.

 

[Adalena935]

Don't forget, Tommy and his children were there, plus the A/C guy in February, and who knows who else slithered by.....

Who was it who drove by and waved? Wasn't that originally GGS? Wasn't someone else with her? Then the story changed to dropping off clean laundry but not going in? Now she's dropping off the laundry, carrying it inside, and putting shirts on the kids?

I need to find the earlier reports.....

BBM. Ah thank you. You remember. Yes there were 3 differing stories with the laundry as I recall also. Teresa Neves told Greta she dropped off the laundry. Then GGS said she did. A third story was multiple folks dropping by with laundry and to visit. Some stories had the visitors going in, some not. A shell game of stories. Poor Haleigh.

all on tv live interviews. now on youtube on the Internet.

 

[Black Water]

:yes: I'm with you, Em. I, too, maintain that Haleigh was deceased before Ronald ever went into work.

I am thinking that he may have gotten to work very late, say around 7:00 pm (he was busy disposing of the body). And that he worked until 3:00 a.m. to make up for his missed hours.


eta: Ronald's extreme tardiness was the reason for Granny S's phony alibi trip to the MH with laundry - Granny had to be able to testify that: 1) yes, Ronald had already left for 'werk,' ("absolutely" she answered for emphasis tonight when asked by NG if Ronald had already left - then Granny did some rapid eye-blinking and lip-licking); and, that 2) yes, Haleigh was alive and well at 7:30 pm

jmo

She had someone with her in her car. My opinion is that she told LE, but for whatever reason did not want to bring whoever she had in the car, into this mess. If she was dead when he went to work and he dumped the body then why does Tommy Croslin seem to know where the body got dumped? IMO Tommy dumped that body and the only question is if he was alone or with someone else. Then what happened to Haleigh. With all that we have learned the one that makes the most sense is that Misty gave Haleigh something to sleep, and it killed her. That the call she made at 8:30pm (bedtime is at 8:00 pm) to Ron was to tell him Haleigh was dead. Junior already asleep would not know. Maybe someone attempted CPR at some point (couch bounce)? We have heard that Ron had issues getting Haleigh to school on time. We have heard that Misty had issues getting Haleigh to bed on time.


That made sense to me at the start of this case. But since then I have seen Tommy Croslin and Misty Croslin act in antisocial and manipulative ways with IMO Tommy being more sneaky but both being very, very cold. At least when it comes to Haleigh Cummings. I have seen Hank Sr. do his best to encourage Misty to tell the truth (if Ron was involved) and tell Misty that he knows Tommy could not be involved. Seem Hank get upset with Misty when he spoke about LE letting him know Misty was working with them and they were going to have the case wrapped up. Seems to me he has been play acting for the video he knows will be released and it seems to run in the family. They also seem to have shared much information in Hank and other family letting Tommy know what Misty is saying. Something is very, very wrong with these people. Something is missing when it comes to Haleigh Cummings. It is missing from all of them including Lindsey and maybe even Chelsea. Chelsea said they needed to focus more on them Sheffields and Cummings cause them Croslins would never hurt a child. Seems she is still beating that drum. Calling Flora a liar and saying Flora Hollars made these stories up? I think Chelsea KNOWS Flora did not make them up. She is just mad that whatever one they decided was best was not the only story given to the media. Seem like that is going to be the Haleigh found a pill story.
Good thing LE has them lie detector tests. That is for sure.

 

[LisaNY]

NG sure got a lil hostile when the th (don't recall his name) said to ask GH if she rec'd money to do these shows.

 

[Adalena935]

As for the neighbors having said they saw Haleigh playing in the yard. Sheriff Hardy told Fox News in live phone interview they couldn't be sure which day. Gotta hit the hay but it's google-able.

 

[Tricia]

This case makes my brain feel like it is in a salad shooter. All chopped up and shooting out non stop. Everything going everywhere. I cannot keep up.

Honestly, who can we believe? I thought I believed Grandma Hollars at first but not now.

She is evolving into a person I bet no one has seen before. She has had a makeover and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Good for her. But her stories change every time her looks change.

There is no doubt Grandma Hollars has had a tough life. She probably is the one all her grand kids go to. I have no doubt she loves them with her heart and soul but something is happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear. (Sorry I stole a line from an old Buffalo Springfield song. )

Is it possible that her stories are getting bigger and bigger at the expense of the truth because of the attention she is getting?

I literally have a headache trying to put this all together.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I'm late to the thread...What the heck? The kids were eating supper out on the porch without shirts on??? Wasn't it too cold for that?

She said she put clean shirts on them. She didn't elaborate. Did they change out of what they had on? Did they put an additional shirt on over what they were wearing because it was chilly? Or were they shirtless?

Nancy didn't let her explain....and we were dying to know. :cry:

 

[faefrost]

I'm still trying to figure this entire mob of families out? What the flarging flargity flarg are they all doing on camera, doing all of these interviews? What are they all hoping to accomplish at this point with this mixed variety of tall tales, denial, misdirection, and accusations? LE has told them all that it is now a homicide. At this point there is nomore "keep it in the public eye to try and find Hayleigh". Any normal group of people or normal and non psychtic families would, apon hearing such news, have quietly put out a statement via representative that the family is dealing with the new information in provate, grieving,a nd requesting that news and media respects their privacy. But Grandma's on NG debating who did what truly horrific acts to this little girl? Grandma saying three of her grandkids are involved? W T H!?!?!?!?!?!

This is all completely and utterly self serving. They all enabled the conditions that led to this in one horrible way or another. Nothing said tonight in any way serves Hayleigh or serves justice. It's just stunning.

is there something in the water down in Florida?