2010.04.29 Motion to Seal Casey's Jail Logs. Why?

[Sun]

Did the defense fail to notice the media on this motion? Should they have, or is this not an issue?

 

[Bittiness39]

Or maybe to keep visits from mental health professionals private, as mentioned by many folks here.
I was always baffled why the defense hadn't had extensive medical/mental health eval done on Casey (or at least we had never heard of it), (not just as a matter of mitigation, but in my mind to diagnose any medical issues which may have affected her behavior, understanding, perceptions and reactions during the time of Caylee's disappearance. In my mind not so much issues of does Casey hate her mother or was she possibly molested as a child (though that would probably be of interest to mitigation if she's guilty) , but other health/brain issues/mental health issues IMO. If they are checking out her health/mental health now, I'm sure glad. If I were her defense the first thing I would have wanted to find out would be a lot of medical info.

I have to wonder why this was not done from the beginning...checking out her mental state...but having said that, I sincerely doubt that nothing that the professionals would find (assuming there is something to find mentally wrong with KC) could prove that KC didn't know right from wrong. Which if you are going to plead not guilty by reason of insanity in the final hour is not necessarily supported by the facts of the case. Not one of us can understand her actions after Caylee (just disappeared with a fictious nanny no less) but that doesn't make KC legally insane.

Again, as always, thanks to everyone for voicing their opinions on this thread. I think, given what RH has already posted here, I am pretty much narrowing it down to some type of mental health expert visitor...which is imo, the only reason why the defense doesn't want it broadcasted.

 

[RR0004]

Why do I have visions of another FOX webcam? : )

 

[affinity]

I have to wonder why this was not done from the beginning...checking out her mental state...but having said that, I sincerely doubt that nothing that the professionals would find (assuming there is something to find mentally wrong with KC) could prove that KC didn't know right from wrong. Which if you are going to plead not guilty by reason of insanity in the final hour is not necessarily supported by the facts of the case. Not one of us can understand her actions after Caylee (just disappeared with a fictious nanny no less) but that doesn't make KC legally insane.

Again, as always, thanks to everyone for voicing their opinions on this thread. I think, given what RH has already posted here, I am pretty much narrowing it down to some type of mental health expert visitor...which is imo, the only reason why the defense doesn't want it broadcasted.

I hear you--she doesn't "seem" to fit legal description for insanity (in the Andrea Yates way...because KC keeps up the I didn't do it/cover up thing and therefore she's no Andrea Yates).

However! I am always very curious why everyone is so certain that KC is "not insane". O RLY. Man! Personally, I have never seen anyone AS WHACKED as KC! Seriously, even Aileen Wuornos seemed more in touch! Certain Aileen Wuornos was more animated! KC has yet to shed one genuine tear for her own daughter. Complete flat affect most of the time. Inappropriate flirting and laughing. Massive Disassociation after the crime. Compulsive lying. Promiscuity. Anti social behavior (stealing from friends)-- the list goes on and on and on.

It cracks me up when so many posters write things like "Oh hell yeah..she KNEW what she was doing, she is just spoiled". uh. In my 60 years old I have seen all manner of nut cases..from Sirhan Sirhan to Drew Peterson...I honestly have to put KC at the top of the NUTZ scale...I've never seen anyone as bat-**it crazy as KC Anthony. MOO!

SO YEAH. I am betting they have mental health lined up now (a day late and a dollar short, Baez!) and it is for mitigation (Dr. LyonS). A logical educated guess.

 

[logicalgirl]

I hear you--she doesn't "seem" to fit legal description for insanity (in the Andrea Yates way...because KC keeps up the I didn't do it/cover up thing and therefore she's no Andrea Yates).

However! I am always very curious why everyone is so certain that KC is "not insane". O RLY. Man! Personally, I have never seen anyone AS WHACKED as KC! Seriously, even Aileen Wuornos seemed more in touch! Certain Aileen Wuornos was more animated! KC has yet to shed one genuine tear for her own daughter. Complete flat affect most of the time. Inappropriate flirting and laughing. Massive Disassociation after the crime. Compulsive lying. Promiscuity. Anti social behavior (stealing from friends)-- the list goes on and on and on.

It cracks me up when so many posters write things like "Oh hell yeah..she KNEW what she was doing, she is just spoiled". uh. In my 60 years old I have seen all manner of nut cases..from Sirhan Sirhan to Drew Peterson...I honestly have to put KC at the top of the NUTZ scale...I've never seen anyone as bat-**it crazy as KC Anthony. MOO!

SO YEAH. I am betting they have mental health lined up now (a day late and a dollar short, Baez!) and it is for mitigation (Dr. LyonS). A logical educated guess.

Even Andrea Yates was considered sane enough to stand trial, which I seriously doubt.

Isn't the only thing posters are saying is that she knew right from wrong, and knew there were consequences to her actions? I think most of us would agree this girl has some serious behavioral problems. But clearly she did know right from wrong and was judged to be sane prior to being charged.

The real question for me is not how seriously disturbed she is, but did it make a difference during the commission of this crime. If she is truly a sociopath, then those characteristics fit very well indeed. She is legally sane and just doesn't care, because a) she doesn't care, and b) she believes she won't get caught.

Andrea Yates truly loved her children and expressed grief at the time, and I believe continues to do so this day. Andrea Yates is "mentally incompetent", and probably always be. She sought help, her family got her help, but not enough. Andrea couldn't cope at all. None of the above sounds like Casey to me. Casey just wanted a live without encumbrances. She chose the cowards way out. And if she sane enough to make that decision, she's sane enough to stand trial for the murder of her daughter and to deal with the consequences.

 

[denjet]

Why wasn't the media notice on this Motion? Perhaps there is no legal basis for my thoughts, but I have a huge problem with the defense trying to use the Court to control what the media may print if they desire. To use the Court in an effort to hide perhaps what might appear to be somewhat shady practices of the defense attorneys. Casey's inmate visitor log has many times been released by the media, especially early in this case. The defense has continued to give interviews to the media. Yet they want to use to Court to limit what the media may print.

I think that CM was none too happy about the exposure of his expired notary stamp, at least not when the date/times on Casey's inmate visitor's log were compared with the date/time that the motion that was filed with the clerk of courts.

BINGO! I think Jose got caught in a little bit of deception and doesn't like it ...

How about this scenario ... IMO Casey did not sign the motion on 16th ... I think it was signed earlier by her and Jose finished up with the rest of the motion, Mason slapped his notary stamp on it, whenever, probably not when Casey signed it ... Jose visited Casey on the 14th but not Mason ...
the order was completed and Jose left it to someone else in his firm with strict instructions to deliver it the the SA office and Judge Strickland's after they would no longer be at their offices and file it with the clerk right before closing ...
I could be way off-base (I have been before) ... but something's fishy about the whole thing ... the document does not have a fax heading ... I don't know about any kind of e-filing but thought the originals had to be filed with the clerk ... even if that's not the case ... the motion said that they hand delivered the motion to Judge Strickland and the SA's office on the 16th ....

The motion says
Personally appeared before me, the undersigned authority, the Defendent, .....
but there's no date of the signature
Casey's signature
Cheney's stamp (no date attesting to when Casey signed it)
The motion continues:
Your undersigned attorneys hereby certify that this Motion and the client's statements are made in good faith and that said Motion has been hand delivered to the Honorable Stan Strickland, Circuit Judge in and for the Ninth Judicial Circuit in the above cause, and to the Office of the State Attorney, 415 N. Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida 32801 on the 16th day of April, 2010. ...
Jose's signature
Cheney's signature

Bad enough the sleezy way this motion was filed .. but I think Jose got caught in his little scheme and wants to put a stop to it ...
and like others have said ... yes, us bloggers are dissecting everything related to this case including KC's visit logs ...
Seems to me Jose wants his cake and to eat it too ... he expects to hide what he wants from the media and public, but wants to be able to put his fat face on TV anytime he needs to campaign for his client ... can't have it both ways Jose ... or can he ??

Just my opinion and what if ....

 

[kew17]

There is no doubt in my mind there is not something mentally wrong with this inmate! Whether she did or did not "kill her kid" as AL so eloquently stated, her actions thereafter were NOT normal! That being said, if they plan on going the insanity route, one good thing is that it will involve the necessity of pleading guilty. Which is about 2 year too late if you ask me. Judge SS ordered mental evaluations early on and I'm sure those reports are quite telling.

So, if they go the insane route at this juncture, wouldn't it be a little too little a little too late? Would there not be some recourse for wasting tons of court and taxpayers time and money?

And in that event, as far as the jail visitor logs are concerned, wouldn't the point be moot? At that point, who really cares what her defense strategy is if she is going to plead guilty?

Frankly, I don't care what her defense strategy is, but seeing at least that her attorneys have a strategy would be more than we've seen thus far.

 

[denjet]

Did the defense fail to notice the media on this motion? Should they have, or is this not an issue?

I'm not sure but I think the issue is more one of the Jail not releasing them and the Jail's lawyer would have to be present ... I think ... Like when he wanted video taping to stop ...
The media had to be there for Jose trying to stop the release of the videos when he was trying to get them sealed ..

I'm sure one of our legal experts will correct me if I'm wrong ...

I do think Jose want's the logs off-limits because he's finally figured out (or maybe it was Mason that did), that a lot of information about what's going on with the defense and Casey can be gleaned from the logs ... duh

Something else I thought of are the billable hours he was made to account for, he no doubt needed to go back and figure it out and maybe some of what he ended up handing in for the indigence filing could be proven to be in error because of the log showing his whereabouts ?
OK, I'm really thinking more than I should be about this ... but it stinks ...

 

[kew17]

I'm not sure but I think the issue is more one of the Jail not releasing them and the Jail's lawyer would have to be present ... I think ... Like when he wanted video taping to stop ...
The media had to be there for Jose trying to stop the release of the videos when he was trying to get them sealed ..

I'm sure one of our legal experts will correct me if I'm wrong ...

I do think Jose want's the logs off-limits because he's finally figured out (or maybe it was Mason that did), that a lot of information about what's going on with the defense and Casey can be gleaned from the logs ... duh

Something else I thought of are the billable hours he was made to account for, he no doubt needed to go back and figure it out and maybe some of what he ended up handing in for the indigence filing could be proven to be in error because of the log showing his whereabouts ?
OK, I'm really thinking more than I should be about this ... but it stinks ...

I think you are spot on about this! The visitor logs have not been an issue for some 2 odd years now. It has become a problem for them when they got caught with a questionable issue of the notory stamp and time stamps. JB does not like to be questioned or second guessed. He and his defendant get along so well due to their likeness in the sneaky tactics.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Can we please use appropriate descriptions for mental illness. Calling people nuts and other adjectives is not productive to the conversation. There are many very valuable posters on WS who suffer from mental illness. Please, be considerate to them.

 

[logicalgirl]

I'm not sure but I think the issue is more one of the Jail not releasing them and the Jail's lawyer would have to be present ... I think ... Like when he wanted video taping to stop ...
The media had to be there for Jose trying to stop the release of the videos when he was trying to get them sealed ..

I'm sure one of our legal experts will correct me if I'm wrong ...

I do think Jose want's the logs off-limits because he's finally figured out (or maybe it was Mason that did), that a lot of information about what's going on with the defense and Casey can be gleaned from the logs ... duh

Something else I thought of are the billable hours he was made to account for, he no doubt needed to go back and figure it out and maybe some of what he ended up handing in for the indigence filing could be proven to be in error because of the log showing his whereabouts ?
OK, I'm really thinking more than I should be about this ... but it stinks ...

No no - I like it denjet - I was playing with the billable hours thing briefly but then I realized the horse has left the barn on that one, unless he's thinking about what he's going to get paid in the future year. Even then someone if not us is going to look at those jail visit hours.

So much of Bah-ezz seems to do is kind of a knee jerk reaction, at least to me. Sort of - well if you're going to win all the time, I'm going to take my toys away and not play with you anymore" kind of a situation.

Maybe this motion is coming from Lyon(s) as she's going to be forced get her psychological ducks in a row to do her death penalty presentation in precisely one week. I don't believe Judge Perry will let her hystronic away for as much time as she wants to.

ps I know that isn't the correct way to use hystronic, but I like it.:biggrin:

 

[denjet]

I think you are spot on about this! The visitor logs have not been an issue for some 2 odd years now. It has become a problem for them when they got caught with a questionable issue of the notory stamp and time stamps. JB does not like to be questioned or second guessed. He and his defendant get along so well due to their likeness in the sneaky tactics.

Exactly, Now it's a problem ... I think also Mason was probably the one to say we have to get a handle on this ... they're filing motions already about not disclosing penalty phase witnesses and thinking in terms of their defense of her for that phase and I'm sure don't want anyone to know about their strategy ... they probably don't want the public knowing how many hours their mitigation specialist is spending with her for one thing ...

I remember Express at Caylee Daily posted the log and Lyon and the specialist had been visiting in Aug '09 ....

 

[denjet]

No no - I like it denjet - I was playing with the billable hours thing briefly but then I realized the horse has left the barn on that one, unless he's thinking about what he's going to get paid in the future year. Even then someone if not us is going to look at those jail visit hours.

So much of Bah-ezz seems to do is kind of a knee jerk reaction, at least to me. Sort of - well if you're going to win all the time, I'm going to take my toys away and not play with you anymore" kind of a situation.

Maybe this motion is coming from Lyon(s) as she's going to be forced get her psychological ducks in a row to do her death penalty presentation in precisely one week. I don't believe Judge Perry will let her hystronic away for as much time as she wants to.

ps I know that isn't the correct way to use hystronic, but I like it.:biggrin:

Yep ... that's Jose ... not thinking past his nose ...
Can't wait to see Lyon in court for the DP motions ... Perry's going to tell her to cut to the chase before she can even go all histrionic on him ... LOL

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

Yes .... Mason got caught with his pants down & his tight boots tingling on that notary stamp kuffuffle......
Bahaezzz wants non disclosure of his billable hours & log-ins visits to C the jail....

Lyons is suffering from dry-eye ( a serious disability ) & maybe have to borrow
tears from da marinade! She cannot succeed in her hystronics sonics that Casey or Cookie or Muffin (which ever name she is going by) is depending on for her salvation .......:banghead::banghead::banghead::croc:

 

[affinity]

Can we please use appropriate descriptions for mental illness. Calling people nuts and other adjectives is not productive to the conversation. There are many very valuable posters on WS who suffer from mental illness. Please, be considerate to them.

Yes, I daresay I am one of them*.
I realize that even though you did not quote me that this admonishment is directed at my post. I am sorry that you don't like my characterization about KC's pathology. I have indeed resorting to using an "inappropriate" word for her mental state as I am quite tired of people writing that she is simply "spoiled" and simply full of herself etcetera etcetera. How do they know? Do they know her personally? Are they mental health professionals (and even if they are, have they interviewed KC?)

I suspect that there are those people who just so totally enjoy hating KC they will marginalize and minimize her obvious aberrant mental state. I stand by my statement that there is no one in memory that is as "OUT THERE" (......okay?) as Casey Anthony.

*clinical depression 50+ years, at times major clinical depression. I know quite a lot about it.

 

[logicalgirl]

Can we please use appropriate descriptions for mental illness. Calling people nuts and other adjectives is not productive to the conversation. There are many very valuable posters on WS who suffer from mental illness. Please, be considerate to them.

My sincere apologies Disguised - you are quite right and I by no means meant to be offensive to any of our members or lurkers.

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes .... Mason got caught with his pants down & his tight boots tingling on that notary stamp kuffuffle......
Bahaezzz wants non disclosure of his billable hours & log-ins visits to C the jail....

Lyons is suffering from dry-eye ( a serious disability ) & maybe have to borrow
tears from da marinade! She cannot succeed in her hystronics sonics that Casey or Cookie or Muffin (which ever name she is going by) is depending on for her salvation .......:banghead::banghead::banghead::croc:

Love it! Hystronics sonics!:dance:

 

[nort]

I think the most a psychological problem, that she may have, would help her defense is by her getting life in prison instead of the death penalty. The things she displays are not anything that will prevent a guilty verdict if the evidence is there. Scott Peterson could have been her brother based on psychological characteristics and he still got convicted. So they can have at it, if they want, I dont think it will do much for her. I do believe the doctors coming in are the reason they want a block on the logs. I was thinking about the family thing, maybe one of her parents wants to see her and one doesnt. I would have formed the opinion that one of them was not behind her if I knew it. RH explained that family would be exempt from the privacy if it was granted. I just dont think the block will make or break the case. So other than to speculate why people are visiting her, there really is not a reason I need to know who sees her, it just doesnt matter that much to me. Although it would make for some interesting reading...

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes, I daresay I am one of them*.
I realize that even though you did not quote me that this admonishment is directed at my post. I am sorry that you don't like my characterization about KC's pathology. I have indeed resorting to using an "inappropriate" word for her mental state as I am quite tired of people writing that she is simply "spoiled" and simply full of herself etcetera etcetera. How do they know? Do they know her personally? Are they mental health professionals (and even if they are, have they interviewed KC?)

I suspect that there are those people who just so totally enjoy hating KC they will marginalize and minimize her obvious aberrant mental state. I stand by my statement that there is no one in memory that is as "OUT THERE" (......okay?) as Casey Anthony.

*clinical depression 50+ years, at times major clinical depression. I know quite a lot about it.

Actually I think I started it affinity and have also apologized - I'm far from being the person to throw the first stone - however I don't think of mental illness as a stigma, but a fact of life. Some have a heavier burden to carry than others. But some like poor Andrea are judged legally competent to stand trial when I believe it was a mistake.

I don't know - I have no doubt Casey has some mental aberrations. What normal person kills their own child? What I question is if this should hold her as mentally incompetent to stand trial, or be a reason for a lessor sentence in the penalty phase. After all, how did Ted Bundy act? I don't recall remorse or huge swings in his behavior. I think he just killed someone and then carried on as if it didn't happen. Or did he?

 

[tankgirl]

Yes, I daresay I am one of them*.
I realize that even though you did not quote me that this admonishment is directed at my post. I am sorry that you don't like my characterization about KC's pathology. I have indeed resorting to using an "inappropriate" word for her mental state as I am quite tired of people writing that she is simply "spoiled" and simply full of herself etcetera etcetera. How do they know? Do they know her personally? Are they mental health professionals (and even if they are, have they interviewed KC?)

I suspect that there are those people who just so totally enjoy hating KC they will marginalize and minimize her obvious aberrant mental state. I stand by my statement that there is no one in memory that is as "OUT THERE" (......okay?) as Casey Anthony.

*clinical depression 50+ years, at times major clinical depression. I know quite a lot about it.

Hear, hear affinity! Recognizing a problem and seeking help/ being diagnosed as clinically depressed is something entirely apart from denying potential mental illness and enabling its harmful behaviors. Let the nutz fall where they may. :innocent:.