2010.05.29 ~ Tommy and Lindsy video ~ Early April

[Emma Peel]

I just had a chance now to listen to these tapes. That's what I got from them. First, quote of the tape:

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Tommy: "now why would you say that?"

translation:

"there is no reason for you to say that, and I'm not even going to try to understand what you're saying, you've no reason to complain, you can't even come up with one so don't try because I'll belittle whatever you're feeling anyway."

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To Lindsy's "incestuous" remark he actually says: "yuh okay Lindsy" - sarcastically dissing her verbal swing at him. He gave it a big "whatever". (IMO, he didn't really think about what she said and he knows she's just throwing barbs at him.) He doesn't even caution that she's being taped - she doesn't care if she is. I think because she's just beating on him ...

Wondering if they know what the word means, really. It's used in the vernacular to mean family that's just too close to each other. I think Lindsy may have better said "codependent" family - the way she was using the word. In context, she was threatening that all Tommy was going to have left in 3 years was to move home with Hank Sr., Lisa, and Misty. She insinuates she'd be loooong gone. That way, he'd be left with his "perfect" family: Hank, Lisa, Misty, Tommy. (sarcasm - Lindsy obviously believes his family is highly flawed.)

Lindsy threatens a move to Massachusetts as she has always wanted, and be done with the f'n Croslins. (IIRC, She changed her name on FB to Collins before she filed for divorce.)

I get that she's mad at the Croslins more than at Tommy. She's mad at Tommy for playing f'n drug games with his f'n sister.

Lindsy says she was hoping he would tell whatever he knows - about Haleigh (I think.) She thinks Tommy has information in his back pocket that he can use as a ticket out of the drug charges. It's his plan, is her understanding. I don't think she knows what he has in his back pocket as far as information. But she believes he knows something.

Tommy disagrees and says "they" have told him his information can't help him with his drug charges. The minimums are what they are.

She says then he'll get 3 years. 2 years and a 3 months. (thinking time-served?) He says, we'll see. She says fine, then, if you're not trying, then I'm not trying. (basically)

Tommy claims the LTD was a pointless exercise. And he further claims the one question they asked him was a waste of time - it was not about Haleigh - it was not something he could give an answer to that would get him out of the drug charges. (He actually called Haleigh his niece). Tommy seems disappointed they didn't ask about Haleigh, which leads me to think that the info he has prepared in his back pocket IS about Haleigh.

Lindsay's attitude is that Tommy should have been more proactive. He should not just wait for them to ask the right questions. He had a chance to tell them something and he didn't. And she is mad at him for that. It was his choice to not take advantage of it. She is pizzed.

Within 24 hours, we see Tommy request to tell something he knows, see him talk Flora, talk to his lawyer, talk to the PI and the investigators for Haleigh.

He is trying to do what Lindsy believes he can do if he tells what he knows, As he told Hank Sr, - he's trying to get him and his sister home.

Lindsy seems really mad because she suspects Tommy is protecting Misty & his family and she feels it's at her expense. Her angry words are directed at him but the angriest words always include Misty. She's mad as hell he was fooling around with Misty dealing drugs and got caught. I'm not getting from this that she's jealous of Misty in any other way.

I'm thinking Lindsy did not know the "story Tommy had in his back pocket all this time" was the Joe-did-it-river story.

I'm thinking when that story came out, she changed her name to Collins and filed for divorce.

He's probably still surprised she's asking for a divorce. .

"Now why would you go and say that?"

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[crocus]

snipped from emma peel's post:
Within 24 hours, we see Tommy request to tell something he knows, see him talk Flora, talk to his lawyer, talk to the PI and the investigators for Haleigh.

I think TC did what he felt he had to do to try and get his *advertiser censored* out of further time......he lied.

 

[kamky]

Lindsey kept telling Tommy not to talk about it, it would just make him look more stupid than he already does, but he kept pushing her buttons with his line of, "It's all bull----."
He said it over and over. Finally she said All Croslin's are liars, and made the incest comment. I think she meant it exactly as she stated it and that he knew exactly what she said. He finally shut up. I watched his face very closely. He knew, and made no attempt to deny it. No more it's all BS comments from him.
Interesting that LE held back this tape when it was made arround the same time as the last batch they gave to media.

Yes, it is. What's different now? I wonder if it was in deference to Lindsy but now that she has filed for divorce it doesn't matter? (I know AH or someone said the divorce is on hold, but that could be Tommy's lawyer trying to make his client look better.) This has got to be making Tommy more desperate.

 

[KeenEyes]

SBM

...I'm hoping that she said that because the dog is Tommy's dog, and she is trying to show him all the stress and responsibilities she has been saddled with, since he once again got himself locked up in jail.

They are married, yet she is the one left to deal with everything. All because of his stupid, selfish and completely unnecessary actions.
She is left to parent three young children all by herself, because he is again locked up. On top of that, she is having to struggle to make the rent and utility bills, knowing there is no money. She doesn't even have money for gasoline. She is struggling, and she has nothing. Not even her husband...

Uhm, Lyndsey, is that you? Or someone spot-on channeling you?

 

[lonetraveler]

I disagree. For a lot of people sex and love are two different things and the thrill of a taboo sex can be a strong drive that overcomes a lot of things. Look at all the cheaters in the world.

Dr. Fessel, I support your comment 100%. Sex and love are two entirely different things. Incest that started at a very young age would have absolutely nothing to do with love between a married man and woman or a young girl in love with a grown man. The incestuous part of the man and woman's life would be an entirely separate entity from the involved person's married life or relationship with another person.

 

[grandmaj]

I thought Tommy made reference to the one question on the lie detector being about the pounding on the door. ?????? Did anyone else hear that?

 

[Hippy Chick]

I think LC was so mad that she threw that comment in just to be a witch, so to speak. I do believe she is angry because TC was out doing drugs with MC when he should have been home with her. She is very immature and to say those things in front of her son is just stupid. Take the children and the dog away from her she is not fit to have either IMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I know this is hard to grasp, but stuff like this isn't all that uncommon. I went to school with a girl, who fought her brother off for years. She got married at 15, to just get away. Her mom accused her of lieing, & I know she knew better. My cousin got married at 14, to get away from an uncle, & a good family friend got married at 16, to get away from her stepdad. I also went to school with another girl who got married at 15, to get away from her dad. got pregnant on purpose, & she was the smartest kid in her class, & a top notch choir singer. gave it all up. This has been awhile, but I think this stuff still goes on all of the time.

Were any of the males involved in your post, seven years old at the time that they "molested" another child? That simple fact is the problem with this. It is common for children to play and explore together. That is not molestation. Big difference.

 

[lonetraveler]

I thought Tommy made reference to the one question on the lie detector being about the pounding on the door. ?????? Did anyone else hear that?

I heard it very clear, grandmaj. What I heard: The question Tommy failed was about banging on the door at 10:00 pm. and later he admitted that that wasn't true.

 

[lonetraveler]

Dr. Fessel, you point is well taken. I think when this all plays out, we will find that we were all right on our first thoughts as to who was responsible for Haleigh's disappearance/death. I haven't changed my mind since day one. All this other stuff is just BS. I don't believe one word Misty says. That's the problem I have with the incest claim by her.

So far the only male who hasn't "messed with Misty" by her own accounts is Ron. Every other male, including White Boy Greg has "messed with her". GMAB.

 

[crocus]

Yes, it is. What's different now? I wonder if it was in deference to Lindsy but now that she has filed for divorce it doesn't matter? (I know AH or someone said the divorce is on hold, but that could be Tommy's lawyer trying to make his client look better.) This has got to be making Tommy more desperate.

I think, IMO, that Lindsy was given the advice to file for divorce from her family. It will make the monetary issues in her life much better, given that TC will incur a large fine when he is convicted and charged on the drug trafficking.

Listening to this latest jailhouse tape, I'm really disgusted that Austin was there to hear it all. That child's baggage has got to be on overload by now.......

 

[txsvicki]

I don't understand why we refuse to believe anything Misty says except the incest stuff. She claims she is molested by JO when she was 5 or 6 years old and he was 7 or 8 years old. Right there, you know she is lying. What 7 or 8 year old molests another child? Although it's possible, it's just too far fetched for me. In the same voice stress test, she makes the claim against Tommy. I don't buy it. Maybe it's true.....but I'd be hard pressed to take this seriously.

I don't think actual molestation from a 7 year old, but there could be sexualized acting out due to both of them being molested by someone else. Tommy is about 6-7 years older than Misty and 4-5 older than Joe. He would have been around age 13 at that time. With this family, it definitely wouldn't suprise me. Drugs, poverty, and Misty also said that there is someone in the family who is still molesting children. I think Misty was asked if there are any pedophiles in her family and she told what she knows and also may have been attempting to set up Joe. She probably told from the beginning that a man dressed all in black came in and took Haleigh, and she's not sure who it was. Or, that could be what Jr. told and she's going with it.

 

[Cat13067]

I think TC is trying to tell LC that any info he has about Haleigh won't reduce the sentence he will be given for the drug charges. I think LC believes if TC tells everything he knows he will not serve time. LC is scared, and angry right now. She is not working, and is all alone taking care of three kids. If LC is smart she will move to Mass., and try to put her life back together. TC is never going to be the father or the husband LC needs in her or childrens lives. TC, and his sister derserve everything that is coming to them. IMO

 

[dodie20]

Linsey's tune on the Croslins, sure has changed. from fun loving to effn' liars. & does Tommy really think he's only gonna get 3 years? Linsey spent the last 6 dollars on a pair of shorts for herself. surely she knew the dress code. & I can't stand that she got her son out of school early, for this visit. & Austin surely can be mad at his dad if he feels like it. & if Linsey was just gonna snap at her son, why did she take him? Tommy says there's nothing he can do about his future, but then how much later did he come up with the Joe story? I think Linsey thinks if Tommy will just give up Misty, he'll get a deal. She seems mad that he's choosing to protect Misty over being with her. I don't think she has entertained the idea, that he's protecting himself. she's really mean to the dog, & complains about the almost 20 dollars a month, he costs. This is ridiculous. She has family that is willing to help. no gas money to get to work? whatever...I don't blame her for being mad, but what took so long, & it seems to be for the wrong reasons. I think she's threatening to get with another man. She uses her son as a way to diffuse their arguing & to change the subject. poor kid. & how does she go from angry cussing to giggles? I cannot figure out their dynamics.

 

[Cat13067]

I think, IMO, that Lindsy was given the advice to file for divorce from her family. It will make the monetary issues in her life much better, given that TC will incur a large fine when he is convicted and charged on the drug trafficking.

Listening to this latest jailhouse tape, I'm really disgusted that Austin was there to hear it all. That child's baggage has got to be on overload by now.......

I agree with you 100%. The way LC was cursing in front of her son was disqusting. LC knows the jail house tapes are released to the public. Like I said, this girl needs to move away, and start a new life with her children.

 

[kamky]

I heard it very clear, grandmaj. What I heard: The question Tommy failed was about banging on the door at 10:00 pm. and later he admitted that that wasn't true.

But which part did he say wasn't true? Did he go to the home at 10, but not bang on the door & leave? Did he go to the home and bang on the door, but it wasn't at 10:00 - it was at a different time? Did he go to the home and it wasn't at 10 AND he didn't bang on the door? Or did he not go to the home at all?

There are 4 different possibilities and we still don't know what he finally said WAS true. Do we?

 

[dodie20]

didn't he later claim, through his lawyer, that he was in the house? so, a cursory run by & bang seems a little pointless.

 

[Baznme]

Lindsy says her and the kids will probably have to eat in a soup kitchen for Easter. little guy in the background hears her and asks about will they have Christmas presents? Lindsy says Mom will live in a box before you don't get presents. Don't worry, cuz Mommy is here. (Ouch Tommy)

And his answer is always......."me, me and more me". Unfreakinbelievable! This guy doesn't get it at all. No compassion for what his family is going through. He keeps saying "it'll be all right". Why, because you're doing everything to convince her that you "can't do nuttin about it"? She's on her own out there in the world with HIS kids that are looking to her for their next meal and he sits there telling her he had cold hot dogs for dinner and that was all. Just more "me, me and more me".

 

[Emma Peel]

And he didn't even have a tiny word of advice for her about the dog. Not one. Not a person that might like to have the dog. Not a way to advertise to get a new home for the dog.

Basically, Tommy had no response to this threat. After thinking about how he had no response, did Tommy believe it to be an empty threat in the middle of her rant?

*shrugs*

Lindsy pulls this same sort of threat with their baby girl not knowing who he was. She assured him that baby would never know who he was. He did come back to that threat. "Yes she will. ...We'll see."

It's almost as if she threatens him all the time and he just shrugs. That's just her way. She never follows through. They're like an old married couple.

I'm sure these two have some type of classic co-dependent relationship as well. I just fail to see what's in it for Lindsy. Perhaps she just needs to be needed.

 

[Amster]

Does LC have parents? Do they live close to her? Whose house was she at where they rode the horse?