2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[ZsaZsa]

The only person who knew it was not an Emergency was Casey.
To everyone else the news that she was 'missing' was the biggest catastrophe of their lives. To say that was not an Emergency call is actually so ridiculous as to be obscene.

 

[JSR]

I don't think there was any emergency here, just a Grandmother realizing that what she already knew or suspected was true. IMO I think it should just be treated as a regular intterogation and the hearsay parts removed. IMO And I agree, why do you need Ca to say it when you actually have Kc saying it. I think what the Sa wants is to use the hearsay part of it, where Ca says I thought she was at the babysitters and now I have found out that she has been kidnapped. All hearsay IMO That is to show Casey changed her story proving conscious guilt, but would have to use hearsay to try to make that so. IMO This is just a daughter trying to keep her mother calm, knowing that she will lose it if she gets the truth, and not knowing how to break the news to her. IMO

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

Are you telling me as a Grandmother you wouldn't think that having your granddaughter go missing isn't an emergency?????

 

[JSR]

The only person who knew it was not an Emergency was Casey.
To everyone else the news that she was 'missing' was the biggest catastrophe of their lives. To say that was not an Emergency call is actually so ridiculous as to be obscene.

Agreed. Times ten.

 

[countzero]

Oh boy, I'm going with my first thoughts as soon as I knew there were three, yes 3, 911 calls.

The As retrieve the vehicle early in the afternoon. CA goes back to work after cleaning it. GA goes to work. Early evening CA goes rummaging through the vehicle finding Amys info. Picks up Amy, picks up ICA, drops off Amy, goes to the local LE office, makes first call, goes home makes second call, then makes the "hysterical" final 911 call. More than enough time to create a story line with ICA. Yep, I would say that 5-6 or more hours was more than enough time to get that story going and improvising as needed.

Ya right. CA is worried about Caylee. :furious: CA was only worried the tow yard guy (SB) who smelled the vehicle and wanted to make the report to LE, start the media cover up before SB reported it, not knowing if SB would or wouldn't report it. GA may or may not have told CA about that little conversation. He knew at some point after LE was involved he would have to, knowing SB would be questioned by LE.

I am so glad to see the SAs office do this. Then let them continue with the 31 day scenario. I hope they charge CA with filing a false report to LE, just as a starter.

I haven't read the motion yet, but I hope my thoughts follow the SA's to some extent. Off to read it.

ETA: I don't know how JB will be able to argue the motion with any hopes of winning. If I was able to understand the motion, LBD used excellent case citation and in plain english explained why this motion will be granted. I agree with Marspiters post below #67; CA will testify and most likely impeach herself as will GA. BC has his work cut out again.

 

[marspiter]

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Are you telling me as a Grandmother you wouldn't think that having your granddaughter go missing isn't an emergency?????

Oh come on now JSR it's not such a big deal. I mean just leave some food and water out on the porch. Caylee will get hungry and come back. I mean it's not like she's stuck in a tree or something that would require a 911 call.

Perhaps Cindy should have just put some fliers out and drove around the neighborhood instead of bothering the police. They have real criminals to catch.


I truly apologize to anyone who thinks I'm being callous or making light of the situation. That's not the case. I'm just completely astounded by the idea that there was no emergency and I'm trying to wrap my brain around that logic.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Guys let's focus on the merits of the motion and how it is now, and will be argued. Posting sarcastic scenarios instead of having thoughtful discussion doesn't really mesh with the thread topic. I hate to see a good topic get sidetracked ya know??

 

[marspiter]

One thing I do find interesting is that they specifically said they would be using the 1st and 3rd phone call as evidence. That 3rd phone is the kicker. Also in the motion they mention that they will use the 911 tapes basically to impeach Cindy's testimony if I read that right.

I think the fact that they specifically mention the 3rd phone call means the prosecution is going to be bringing in the trunk evidence. I know it was said in another thread that the SA has given no indication that it was going to pursue the evidence found in the trunk. This motion to me clearly shows where the SA is going.

 

[feddup]

I'm willing to bet the fact that she ever mentioned "smells like a damn dead body" in the 911 call haunts her every day. I agree re: "reflective thought" -she would NEVER have said that in hindsight. I just wonder though, when she said the car smelled like a dead body - did she actually think something happened to Caylee then?

Thank you Think Tank!

If you remember, when they went to the place to get the car, GA was nervous about the smell and said to the guy there: I hope its not my daughter.
Maybe I am wrong but Im pretty sure thats what he said? So, with Caylee missing and KC admits shes missing and then cindy thinks about that smell, I know if were me I'd be putting 2 and 2 together and feel terrified. Im sure she WAS terrified the night she made that call. Towards the end of the 31 days she mustve been really worried about poor Caylee to go over to TL's and drag her daughter out of there and pin her down as to where Caylee was. JMO
Then, IMO she goes into denial afterwards holding onto the hope Caylee is out there alive somewhere.
I do think 911 calls should be played, all evidence and facts must be heard by the jury. And it is a fact that the Grandmother calld 911 stating her GD has been taken.

 

[goldleaf]

Once again CA is proving to be a nail in ICA's coffin. No wonder ICA rants about her in jailhouse letters!

 

[The World According]

she found KC, which was what she suspected. However when KC, as the child's primary guardian and responsible party, could not produce the child or provide an adequate explanation as to the child's location, state or health and security it immediately became an emergency.

And before you ask, no I am not a Lawyer, but I have had to specifically give testimony before courts on what constitutes and "emergency" and whether or not a given situation was appropriately viewed as such. I am considered as a qualified expert before the court (at least in NYS) on this particular subject. CA's call was well within the definition of emergency. At least from her point of view and LE and ES's. (obviously not so much in KC's point of view).

The determinant in this case is not any of KC's stories, nor is it any fears of kidnapping, nor even the time involved (31 days). What makes it an emergency at the point of that call is quite simply that a 2 year old child could not be accounted for. No one could answer the question "where is the child right now", no one could produce or physically see the child.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[Trapshooter]

Would someone refresh my memory please? What exactly did the tow yard guy say? Didn't he mention the smell of a dead body based upon towing a car with a dead body inside? I can't remember what was said?
Thanks!

 

[RR0004]

She called 911 because her grandaughter was missing. That is not an emergency?

In all fairness...technically she was calling to report her daughter stealing her car..because she wouldn't fess up and tell her where Caylee was. She was trying to force Casey's hand...which obviously shows...at least in my mind...that she had grave concern for her granddaughter at that moment in time. The argument that Caylee was gone from the house so much earlier therefore it wasn't an emergency is ludicrous IMO. I think that's why they want the 1st and 3rd call in. The first call because it shows Casey's callous indifference to the fact that her own child is missing. The third call...well, IMO that call speaks for itself.

 

[RR0004]

Would someone refresh my memory please? What exactly did the tow yard guy say? Didn't he mention the smell of a dead body based upon towing a car with a dead body inside? I can't remember what was said?
Thanks!

He had a cold...seriously...that was his explanation as to why he may not have smelt the smell. When he got near the car with GA he stated what he smelt.

 

[Oakley]

I'm willing to bet the fact that she ever mentioned "smells like a damn dead body" in the 911 call haunts her every day. I agree re: "reflective thought" -she would NEVER have said that in hindsight. I just wonder though, when she said the car smelled like a dead body - did she actually think something happened to Caylee then?

Thank you Think Tank!

BBM (Bolded by me) Welcome, LindseyLou! To Answer your question above, I believe she certainly did, and that is why she sounded so panicked. She thought *someone* had done Caylee harm. It was only after she had time to let it sink in that that *someone* was her daughter that the cover-up began and she changed her story to "rotting pizza." JMO.

 

[The World According]

Once again CA is proving to be a nail in ICA's coffin. No wonder ICA rants about her in jailhouse letters!

:Welcome-12-june::Welcome-12-june:

 

[The World According]

Would someone refresh my memory please? What exactly did the tow yard guy say? Didn't he mention the smell of a dead body based upon towing a car with a dead body inside? I can't remember what was said?
Thanks!

He said the car ( Casey's ) car smelled like a car they had where a man had committed suicide in it. He did not say this smells like other cars with empty pizza boxes in them!

 

[Oakley]

If you remember, when they went to the place to get the car, GA was nervous about the smell and said to the guy there: I hope its not my daughter.
Maybe I am wrong but Im pretty sure thats what he said? So, with Caylee missing and KC admits shes missing and then cindy thinks about that smell, I know if were me I'd be putting 2 and 2 together and feel terrified. Im sure she WAS terrified the night she made that call. Towards the end of the 31 days she mustve been really worried about poor Caylee to go over to TL's and drag her daughter out of there and pin her down as to where Caylee was. JMO
Then, IMO she goes into denial afterwards holding onto the hope Caylee is out there alive somewhere.
I do think 911 calls should be played, all evidence and facts must be heard by the jury. And it is a fact that the Grandmother calld 911 stating her GD has been taken.

BBM George told Simon Birch he was afraid the smell might be his daughter or his granddaughter. And as Casey said, she's still alive.

 

[kaRN]

...and if I remember it correctly she claimed in the very, very beginning that her daughter and Caylee were off bonding. So how do they explain that? Clearly, Cindy didn't believe something was wrong (not sure I do, though) We have her own words to prove it.

CA believed Caylee was in the primary care of her Mother during the time she was away from the A house. CA had discovered by the third 911 call that she had in fact been kidnapped and KC had been lying about Caylees whereabouts for the past 31 days. That's a pretty simple and true explanation.

 

[Spangle]

Speaking of 911 calls. I would like for them to also play the 911 call ICA made about the protesters. ICA was very excited in that call. Much different then she was in these 911 calls.

 

[kaRN]

She called 911 because her grandaughter was missing. That is not an emergency?

Apparently not if you work for the defense. :innocent: