2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[GameTheory]

There are gaps in her timeline for that day that we cannot fill due to the lack of information being released. She has a gap from 8:45 when she says she said goodbye to Kyron until she returned home, I am guessing around 1pm as she posted on her facebook at 1....where was she from 8:45 till around 1pm? Sauvie Island? And why? What exact time did Kaine return home to work from home? Was Terri home already? Who was this "babysitter" and what time does she say Terri picked up the baby? I am sure LE has all of this information, and still Terri is made to look like the only one who could have perpetrated this crime. Which LE has apparently known from very early on, as they said there was no danger to the public when Kyron went missing. I believe LE knows she did something with Kyron, I just don't understand why she has not been arrested yet. If losing her baby and husband moving out doesn't get her to fess up, nothing will. She knows shes in deep, deep doo-doo. If she doesn't, shes delusional and has some kind of mental breakdown going on. MOO.

ITA! I think this lack of information about exact timelines during that morning tells me that parhaps a first indication for LE that something is going on is that were discrepancies in her timelines for that morning and this is why there are no exact info released in the press.

This is totally based on my feelings how I see this going down but the way LE is handling it - how I perceive it their moves - I seems to me they are extra cautious of not having a Melinda Duckett case in their hands. Or at least for some reason it keeps reminding me of that case.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I really feel you are justified in your actions in this case (from your description). I know people like this. Sometimes it is just better for the child. That's why I think each case should be handled based on it's own circumstances.

I know a girl that her ex-husband has both kids. He takes them for scheduled supervised visitation w/ the mother every time it is scheduled (she's into drugs really bad). Most of the time she does not show up. The kids do not even want to see her at this point. To me, that is only hurting the kids. If you are not prepared to be a parent take steps to make sure you don't become one rather than shifting it off on another person!!!

In this case, I am not sure if I agree w/ no contact between SM and baby K. It needs to be what is BEST FOR BABY K and ONLY BABY K!!! However, I do not know the reasons; so, I can not really say for sure. I'm just really worried about the baby. She has lost her brother and now her mom.

IF SM is involved, she has really ruined many many lives, including her own children. What a thing to do to a little baby.:furious:

Not to sound cold-hearted but baby K is only 18 mos old, and while she feels the absence of her mother now, in time she will forget her mother. Mine were 2,3 and 5 when we left and none of them remember their father. If baby K has good maternal support (from relatives Kaine might have, such as grandparents, etc, or even Desiree as a maternal figure for her right now, for the time being) she will be ok. Better she grow up without Terri in her life, if Terri is a cold blooded killer (which we do not know yet) If not, and Terri is innocent, she will still have her mother in her life in some form or fashion. I am sure she is confused and wants her mommy right now, but in time she will heal. Abandonment issues MIGHT arise later in life, who knows? With love and counseling she will be ok. Just my opinion.

 

[AbbieNormal]

ITA! I think this lack of information about exact timelines during that morning tells me that parhaps a first indication for LE that something is going on is that were discrepancies in her timelines for that morning and this is why there are no exact info released in the press.

This is totally based on my feelings how I see this going down but the way LE is handling it - how I perceive it their moves - I seems to me they are extra cautious of not having a Melinda Duckett case in their hands. Or at least for some reason it keeps reminding me of that case.

IMHO LE should have Terri at the police station and have the best of the best grilling her endlessly for information as to where she put Kyron. Enough of this 6 hr interrogation business and letting her go home, they need to scare the bejusus out of her and get her to talk. Get a specialist in who does nothing but interrogate people to get them to talk, for crying out loud.
Shes not going to talk as long as shes at her own home with her parents and feels "everything is ok", insert the thumbs up here.....in her twisted world everything MIGHT BE OK. But its not, and she needs to come clean with what happened. JMO, it ticks me off.

 

[Reality Orlando]

I haven't read this whole thread yet but did anyone mention that in the divorce proceedings that Kaine is asking for child support? I heard that one on the news last night. I wonder if that is standard to ask for from a wife even though she is currently not working. ??

She may not be working now, but who knows what types of income she may have from this case if she writes a book or something in the future or sells pics or video, etc. to TV shows. We've seen it happen before. Once established, child support can always be adjusted. Even if she can't pay an amount stipulated in the case now, arrears can always be collected in future. Smart move on the attorney's part IMO.

 

[tk71texas]

Really crazy law if you ask me.... if someone refuses to pay child support the visitation should automatically be nixed!

I do not agree with this. Emotional support with your children is just as good as financial support. I would give up my child support for my ex to spend more than the 4 weeks a year he choose to see them.

 

[curiousgal]

Not to sound cold-hearted but baby K is only 18 mos old, and while she feels the absence of her mother now, in time she will forget her mother. Mine were 2,3 and 5 when we left and none of them remember their father. If baby K has good maternal support (from relatives Kaine might have, such as grandparents, etc, or even Desiree as a maternal figure for her right now, for the time being) she will be ok. Better she grow up without Terri in her life, if Terri is a cold blooded killer (which we do not know yet) If not, and Terri is innocent, she will still have her mother in her life in some form or fashion. I am sure she is confused and wants her mommy right now, but in time she will heal. Abandonment issues MIGHT arise later in life, who knows? With love and counseling she will be ok. Just my opinion.

I agree.... kids are strong, and kids need lots of love. They can be raised fine with 1 primary parent. I am sure that in the end as bad as it is right now, this little girl will be ok. She is young, and I'm sure, she does miss her Mommy, which is hard, and you can't explain something like this to an 18 month old. As long as she has good support, Dad, Grandparents, family, friends, whatever she will grow and thrive! Also....this plan is not done. He did the divorce/custody/ro for the here and now. Any of those can be modified at any point in time! It's best to deal with the hear and now, and if need be file something else later. I started with full visits on the weekends with the donor, he didn't take advantage of those, and many other reasons that led me to file a safety enforced plan, no overnights etc.. So at any time, you can modify the plan. If Terry is not sitting in prison for the rest of her life, than there is nothing stating she has lost all visits with her child forever. She can fight and gain it back

 

[curiousgal]

I do not agree with this. Emotional support with your children is just as good as financial support. I would give up my child support for my ex to spend more than the 4 weeks a year he choose to see them.

That is the point I was trying to make, apparently I didn't do well. I would give up the money (IF IF IF I ever got any) for my daughter to have a Dad in her life. My Dad rocks, he is the best Dad I could ever ask for, and I would love for her to experience that, money or no money. However her donor is not choosing that path. So there is no financial support, no emotional support, no nothing!

 

[GameTheory]

IMHO LE should have Terri at the police station and have the best of the best grilling her endlessly for information as to where she put Kyron. Enough of this 6 hr interrogation business and letting her go home, they need to scare the bejusus out of her and get her to talk. Get a specialist in who does nothing but interrogate people to get them to talk, for crying out loud.
Shes not going to talk as long as shes at her own home with her parents and feels "everything is ok", insert the thumbs up here.....in her twisted world everything MIGHT BE OK. But its not, and she needs to come clean with what happened. JMO, it ticks me off.

I share your sentiments 100% as well, but do they have enough evidence on her to keep doing that, interviewing her and interviewing her? I am not so sure how the law goes in this situation? If she keeps telling them the same story again and again how many times can they ask her? We really don't know why they suspect her, if they suspect her since they keep denying it in the press, but it is not just because she was the last one who saw him. They must have caught her in a significant lie but is that lie enough to move the case forward?

If they push too much then she lawyers up and perhaps they need more time to speak to her ''freely'' before examining any ''hard'' evidence? Perhaps they have no clue what she may have done with him and therefore don't know where to look for him or where to look for forensic evidence hence they need a confession? The fact that she gave the thumbs up all okay to the press I think doesn't show that she is all calm and collected laying back in the safety of her house. I think it shows emotional unstability at least, inability to handle the situation accordingly. The posts about the gym, the thumbs up, the friend talking about how frustrated she is about the 2 tests but nothing about how worried she is about Kyron...all this show someone who is definitely not handling the situation appropriately and is definitely detached from what is going on.

And in the first press conference with all the parents together she definitely showed A LOT OF EMOTIONS. She was nothing like Casey Anthony who couldn't even pretend that she was worried or when she did she was so bad in her acting skills. With the step-mom there were really intense raw emotions there. Different emotions definitely from the other three parents but equally strong. I think she looked extremely fearful and intense (not in the same way the biological mom was) but I am not a profiler or bodylanguage expert to back that up. But I think that were authentic emotions and this is perhaps why LE has to handle it different than they would have if they had someone like Casey in their hands.

I am not debating you because I definitely share your sentiments, I am just trying to find reasons, I guess speaking outloud, why this is being going down the way it is. Because everything has been very strange in the way LE approached this case, beginning with the questionnaire about her and her car. I am not saying the LE is doing this wrong, just that it is definitely different from what we have seen with similar cases.

 

[swa]

I HOPE baby K wasn't there; but, that would explain why Kaine does not want Terri to have contact w/ her. It is really a bad situation because we all know that baby K was probably very attached to her mother. What is this sudden separation doing to her?

It could be just pressure to break Terri. I'm sure losing custody of her baby, no matter how temporary, has devastated her if she was as close to the baby as we have been led to believe.

Has anyone found info of what was on the RO since it has been unsealed? Sorry if it has already been discussed. I am jumping from thread to thread to try to catch up.

Why would she tell the truth now and lose custody of her baby FOREVER then? In her mind, this is a temporary thing. She will have a lawyer soon enough to fight this. She's not going to break.

Even if she is charged, and it is sent to trial, she will NEVER confess to this.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I share your sentiments 100% as well, but do they have enough evidence on her to keep doing that, interviewing her and interviewing her? I am not so sure how the law goes in this situation? If she keeps telling them the same story again and again how many times can they ask her? We really don't know why they suspect her, if they suspect her since they keep denying it in the press, but it is not just because she was the last one who saw him. They must have caught her in a significant lie but is that lie enough to move the case forward?

If they push too much then she lawyers up and perhaps they need more time to speak to her ''freely'' before examining any ''hard'' evidence? Perhaps they have no clue what she may have done with him and therefore don't know where to look for him or where to look for forensic evidence hence they need a confession? The fact that she gave the thumbs up all okay to the press I think doesn't show that she is all calm and collected laying back in the safety of her house. I think it shows emotional unstability at least, inability to handle the situation accordingly. The posts about the gym, the thumbs up, the friend talking about how frustrated she is about the 2 tests but nothing about how worried she is about Kyron...all this show someone who is definitely not handling the situation appropriately and is definitely detached from what is going on.

And in the first press conference with all the parents together she definitely showed A LOT OF EMOTIONS. She was nothing like Casey Anthony who couldn't even pretend that she was worried or when she did she was so bad in her acting skills. With the step-mom there were really intense raw emotions there. Different emotions definitely from the other three parents but equally strong. I think she looked extremely fearful and intense (not in the same way the biological mom was) but I am not a profiler or bodylanguage expert to back that up. But I think that were authentic emotions and this is perhaps why LE has to handle it different than they would have if they had someone like Casey in their hands.

I am not debating you because I definitely share your sentiments, I am just trying to find reasons, I guess speaking outloud, why this is being going down the way it is. Because everything has been very strange in the way LE approached this case, beginning with the questionnaire about her and her car. I am not saying the LE is doing this wrong, just that it is definitely different from what we have seen with similar cases.

ITA. Also, I am spoiled because I have become accustomed to the Florida Sunshine Laws where everything is released to the public. Its been over 3 weeks now, I am very anxious for information and it makes following this case very frustrating.

 

[curiousgal]

Why would she tell the truth now and lose custody of her baby FOREVER then? In her mind, this is a temporary thing. She will have a lawyer soon enough to fight this. She's not going to break.

Even if she is charged, and it is sent to trial, she will NEVER confess to this.

This is how I feel. I know some think she'll crack because she's "lost" her baby girl, but I think it's even more reason for her to clam up. Why the hell would she talk now??? I wouldn't!!!

 

[Annazed]

I am confused by this thread. If Kaine took his child with him why is this thread a long conversation about child support from deadbeat dads? Did I miss something?

 

[RubyRed]

I am confused by this thread. If Kaine took his child with him why is this thread a long conversation about child support from deadbeat dads? Did I miss something?

The thread has went way off topic.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I am confused by this thread. If Kaine took his child with him why is this thread a long conversation about child support from deadbeat dads? Did I miss something?

No, it wandered off track. Some of it my fault. There's not much to discuss about Kaine, the RO and filing for divorce right now w/ no information available to us.

 

[GameTheory]

This is how I feel. I know some think she'll crack because she's "lost" her baby girl, but I think it's even more reason for her to clam up. Why the hell would she talk now??? I wouldn't!!!

I agree with you, because first the LE cannot play with people's lives like this. They cannot suggest to a father let's push her this way because what if the father is not some logical person and kills her? Even if they are 100% sure in their suspicion that she has done something to Kyron, if they don't have the evidence yet to arrest her they have to follow the law. What if there is 1% she lies for some reason but she is not responsible for this? The LE would be sued if they instigated such dramatic actions just to push someone to confess.

The only way I see LE advising a family to take measures like this is if they have strong indications (something came up in interviews or some kind of behaviours were exhibited) that the other child is in some sort of danger or there is evidence of endargement to Kyron (previous incident and not current) or some threats or irrational behaviour with threats for her own life or the child's life.

The only scenario I see that LE might think she will crack is if she exhibits unstable behaviour, if she has done something and is affecting her psychologically, the stress of what she has done. The have seen hundreds of cases like this, and they often can tell if someone is cool as a cucumber and will never fess up the truth (see Casey) or if someone exhibits that kind of behaviour that might leave them to believe they mightl crack.

But I don't think the RO has anything to do with being a leverage for her to confess and I don't think it can actually make her confess. I think it is legit in the sence that it was better for the baby to be removed from that environment due to some information. Why? We will know soon. As for the divorce I think it is the result of whatever reasons caused the need for the RO and not the other way around. What I mean is I don't think the father catching her in lies at this point will cause this drastic measure or the RO is an afterthought of the divorce filing. I think the RO was the result of something serious and it was serious enough to take it all the way down to request a divorce.

 

[nnrpece]

Did Kaine have full custody of Kyron? If so was Desiree paying child support?
Why isn't Terri screaming fom the rooftops about her daughter being taken from her? How long did Kaine have his attorney? Was it a snap decision on Monday? The 911 call on Saturday, was probably Terri at her breaking point. She may have snapped. No one believed her, and she was not getting the support from Desiree, Kaine , or LE. She probably made some nasty accusations became unstable and that is why Kaine left on Saturday. Probably with help and advice from others he sought the RO and divorce. This is all merely speculation. But seems to make the most sense. Why didn't Kaine take the morning off which would have been much more important and go the the Science fair with his son? It seems as if all of the fingers are pointing at Terri and she may very well be guilty, but she was the one who probably did the laundry, cooked the meals, shopped for holiday presents, participated in school events etc. Something was going on in that house. ie Terri's has a noticable physical change in the last 6-8 months, her son is sent away, and now she has no support from the father of a child she has raised since he was an infant, while Desiree and Kaine shine in the spotlight. If that has not broken her yet... it will very soon.

 

[twzzlrgirl]

This is how I feel. I know some think she'll crack because she's "lost" her baby girl, but I think it's even more reason for her to clam up. Why the hell would she talk now??? I wouldn't!!!

ITA!! If this was some sneaky attempt to get her to 'fess up, there's no way she'll do it now. In her mind, she's already lost everything -- husband, daughter, and any semblance of a friendship she had with DY and TY. Why make that permanent by confessing when she can just ride this and hope it'll blow over (if no real evidence comes to light). At least then she might get visitation. If she confesses, she gets nothing.

 

[lillygator]

say she did snap on Saturday - I can understand leaving and even the ro but why the divorce? and yes, I too am spoiled by my lovely states sunshine laws!

 

[gitana1]

Didn't the Walsh family (John) have problems after their child went missing? I think maybe it's just such a difficult situation to live in with a missing child that it puts a ton of pressure on the marriage, if the marriage wasn't too strong at first, this would be enough to make it crack.

This is very early on in the investigation and disappearance. I don't think parents of missing kids are thinking about anything but finding the child, so early on. The problems come much later, which is what I think happened with the Walshes.

 

[pufnstuf]

Why would she tell the truth now and lose custody of her baby FOREVER then? In her mind, this is a temporary thing. She will have a lawyer soon enough to fight this. She's not going to break.

Even if she is charged, and it is sent to trial, she will NEVER confess to this.

I agree, swa. I think that Terri Horman is a person who cares more about how she appears to the public than anything else. What follows is just my opinion: multiple divorces -- leaving a marriage instead of working it through; sending J away instead of dealing with the problem in the home; social networking posts -- tons of vanity posts and photos portraying the perfect little family in the perfect little home; car choice completely impractical for a family of FIVE with two boys in the home and a baby girl on the way--but it looks good with its shiny rims and it's fast; professional cv that seems not to match the facts; glowing story of sweeping in to rescue a father with a new son with no mention of when exactly she swept in or if she bears blame for the father and mother's marriage falling apart....

Could go on and on. I think that the thin, fragile veneer has finally cracked, and the ugly particle board underneath is showing.

But even with this, she will never tell what happened. She will never admit to being flawed.

JMO.