2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[wondering1]

That's kind of scary. I have access to my children's medical, my step daughters medical and our joint child's medical. So does my husband. Until the kids turned 12 and then we have to have their permission to know there medical info.

I can't imagine you can't have the info on a bio child that lives with you.

Yes, I was kind of appalled to be told that. My personal opinion is that the front line enforcers are clueless as to what the law actually permits and requires. Just spewing the script, as it were. It is VERY frustrating.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopul...work-to-push-back/1njw6YeGT0WGbLDT0A9SUw.cspx


Terri Horman's attorney, Peter Bunch, filed paperwork with Multnomah County today, seeking to abate the divorce proceedings between Kaine and Terri.

Bunch writes: "As the court is aware the respondent (Terri) is under intense scrutiny as part of an ongoing investigation....As a result of the intense scrutiny and speculation it is virtually impossible for me to proceed with divorce related issues."

As one example, Bunch says petitioner grossly misstated the amount of money paid to Stephen Houze. Bunch also says respondent is unemployed and under her present circumstances is not employable.

Terri will agree to the divorce in the long run, but doesn't want to have to deal with the matter now.

Interesting.

 

[Jaxson]

Yes, I was kind of appalled to be told that. My personal opinion is that the front line enforcers are clueless as to what the law actually permits and requires. Just spewing the script, as it were. It is VERY frustrating.

It would make me come unglued to be told I didn't have access to my kids information of any kind. When sending the kids to college we have to list income of all of us (mom,dad, step parents) which I think is wrong. Pick two but don't say everyone has to pay. Here my husband and I had visitation with his stepdaughter from his first marriage also. She is 20 now. We had her insured and had access also.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib...8-b27c-f15fc9163f97/Terri_Legal_paperwork.pdf

Wow. Great argument. If the judge doesn't sign off on this, I have to wonder about his bias in the case.

 

[Calliope]

And they're trying to stop information from getting to the public through the divorce proceedings. Interesting. Very interesting.

Almost as interesting as Kaine trying to get information into the public sphere through divorce proceedings. IMO, her right to a fair criminal investigation and trial trumps a civil action.

 

[Calliope]

Oh boy on Issues Bruce McCain just said that the divorce would be set aside with her promise to not contest in the future.

But the kicker is........ this would stay all motions. She would not be required to answer to any motions already filed and no motions could further be filed to put pressure on her. In other words the motion for contempt would not be heard until after the criminal matter.

But the contempt motion was related to the RO, not the divorce.

*confused*

 

[grandmaj]

But the contempt motion was related to the RO, not the divorce.

*confused*

I know but that is what he said. The transcript is in the thread somewhere. And I don't know how a court can put off action on contempt of court because of a stay in a divorce proceeding.

Here is the transcript.

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[Calliope]

I wonder what KH's response will be. I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow through another radio interview! I wish this case had more focus on Kyron and not on this.

The atty made a good move to delay the divorce and testifying in said case. This could be prejudice in a criminal trial. And if she did this, I don't want to hear the word "mistrial". Not standing up for TH -- but until she's arrested all we have is what KH and DY is saying. And the $350K sounds like it's not true...according to the attorney.

I don't even know who to believe anymore!

MOO

Mel

bbm

Exactly. I don't see this as a good move just for the defense.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

OK but according to the documents in Kaine's filing they have a 3rd party communication in which Terri Horman stated that amount. So could Terri maybe have bragged or told a little fib to a friend in an email that was intercepted during the investigation? WOWZER.

Hmmm. But, what if it was something like this?

Me (texting with someone who has made me feel they are my friend) Got a lawyer today?

"friend" Oh, yeah? Who did you get?

Me Tim Smith

"friend" Oh, cool, I hear he's good

Me Should be, his retainer is 350K!

"friend" WOW, where did you get that kind of money?

Me ??? Please, Say did you notice how pretty the Full Moon was last night?

"friend" Yeah, it was grand. So where did you get 350K?

Me Hey I gotta go, someone on phone, catch you later


END

So, I said it was 350K and that statement is there for anyone to take as they wish. But, I never said I paid it.

Just an idea and MOO as always.

 

[grandmaj]

Hmmm. But, what if it was something like this?

Me (texting with someone who has made me feel they are my friend) Got a lawyer today?

"friend" Oh, yeah? Who did you get?

Me Tim Smith

"friend" Oh, cool, I hear he's good

Me Should be, his retainer is 350K!

"friend" WOW, where did you get that kind of money?

Me ??? Please, Say did you notice how pretty the Full Moon was last night?

"friend" Yeah, it was grand. So where did you get 350K?

Me Hey I gotta go, someone on phone, catch you later


END

So, I said it was 350K and that statement is there for anyone to take as they wish. But, I never said I paid it.

Just an idea and MOO as always.

Well it was according to the court filing in a text to M. Cook. We don't know what it said for sure only what was represented in the filing.

 

[Calliope]

I think she probably pressed an extra zero on her cell phone when sexting MC her retainer amount.

Heck, no one collects a $350,000 retainer before the client is even charged. Even I know that. :crazy: It would be rather unseemly, frankly.

My thought is that $35,000 on retainer should be good for a few months, so long as the arrest was not made and there was no in discovery.

I could believe MC's such a fool he never thought to ask if she mis-typed it.

JMHO

Kaine's "proof" of Terri paying $350K for Houze came from a 'sext' to Cook?

Good grief. What a crock.

I'd love, just for once in this case, to hear actual facts. Not rumors from a "reliable source", not Kaine's interpretation of what he hears from *whoever*, not what Mildred's granddaughter's best friend's hair stylist told her, but facts. Heck, make that singular. I'm not greedy. I'll settle for one.

 

[cypress]

Witness the very first, albeit subtle defense of TH, IMHO.

Of note to me:

The cost of retaining Houze. I doubt these lawyers are taking TH's word for anything, given all the assertions that she is a liar, and at minimum, she used excruciatingly poor judgment with regard to everything related to Michael Cook.

Comments about custody and parenting time. IMHO, at minimum, she intends to at some point seek visitation. As I was reading this, I believe Houze is telling her to cool her jets about baby K. IMHO, and given his reputation, I can believe he is advising her that a cooler head will prevail in this situation. It may seem strange to some, but with regard to the long term, it makes sense.

Terri asking for minimal financial assistance in moving out of the home. Note usage of the word minimal, and that in a normal divorce this would have been a non-issue.

 

[Calliope]

And the other lawyer, Bunch, said the amount was a "gross representation" I believe he said, as to the amount....how would he know that? I am referring back to the 350,000....how does he state this in the filing....whose word is he taking on what Houze is charging TH?

My guess would be ... Houze.

 

[grandmaj]

Well even if it is a gross misrepresentation, if LE has provided a text in which Terri says this, I can't blame Kaine for filing this motion. And what in God's Green Earth is she doing texting this stuff to begin with? Man they need to take all electronics away from this woman. Houze was hired on June 30 I believe. The texting or sexting happened beginning around the 28th. Don't know exactly when it stopped but the motion on the texting was July 12. Now this most recent motion this week about the 350K .......when was it sent /received. Do not even tell me this texting is still ongoing now. Tell me the motion was only filed this week because that is when Kaine learned of it.

Because if you tell me it happened after they were already exposed in mid-July I think I may have to lose what is left of my mind.

 

[goatman]

Well even if it is a gross misrepresentation, if LE has provided a text in which Terri says this, I can't blame Kaine for filing this motion. And what in God's Green Earth is she doing texting this stuff to begin with? Man they need to take all electronics away from this woman. Houze was hired on June 30 I believe. The texting or sexting happened beginning around the 28th. Don't know exactly when it stopped but the motion on it was filed on July 12th.

Which is probably why KH should cool his jets, yes I understand that this would be incredibly hard to do-who the heck wants to stay married to someone like TH has been portrayed... in my wise mother's words "pick your battles, and choice wisely-try to pick the ones you can win". Focusing on the money here...

Is it possible that KH's attorney overreached/became over confident that everything she filed for would be given? Not seeing any action from TH's camp...she might have become a little complacent.

And now, here they come....

 

[wondering1]

Kaine's "proof" of Terri paying $350K for Houze came from a 'sext' to Cook?

Good grief. What a crock.

I'd love, just for once in this case, to hear actual facts. Not rumors from a "reliable source", not Kaine's interpretation of what he hears from *whoever*, not what Mildred's granddaughter's best friend's hair stylist told her, but facts. Heck, make that singular. I'm not greedy. I'll settle for one.

What better *reliable source* would you have for how much she paid Houze? There are two people who know the arrangement (excluding Houze's staff -- who would be fired and them some if they disclosed), and only one of them i(TH) s at liberty to disclose the information to anyone at all. Houze can't disclose it, so only TH can. And apparently she did, and the MC texts, etc. where she did so, were submitted to the court in camera, and KH's lawyer felt confident enough to make the statement that she made regarding the amount of the fees. It seems quite clear that TH told MC that she paid $350k to Houze and that the communication of that information was turned over to LE, and then to KH's attorney, who then submitted it to the court under seal.

If it's wrong, it's not because KH or his lawyer misstated the amount, it's b/c TH did in her communications with MC. jmoo

 

[Calliope]

Well even if it is a gross misrepresentation, if LE has provided a text in which Terri says this, I can't blame Kaine for filing this motion. And what in God's Green Earth is she doing texting this stuff to begin with? Man they need to take all electronics away from this woman. Houze was hired on June 30 I believe. The texting or sexting happened beginning around the 28th. Don't know exactly when it stopped but the motion on it was filed on July 12th.

Well, that's another point. Did she actually state unambiguously, "I paid S Houze $350K"? Or was this Kaine's interpretation of what was actually said? Was this text sent before or AFTER she actually retained Houze?

I personally think the text was misinterpreted. Her attorney isn't going to state to the court that it was 'grossly overstated' if it wasn't. No way.

 

[cypress]

re: the sexting

IMHO, it's wholly inappropriate, and not just because Kyron is missing. Just in general, the situation is brimming with ick. Having said that, the pressure had been on Terri for weeks, and many speculated that she was being pushed until she broke. People often revert to a familiar coping mechanism when they are under extreme duress, and Terri's coping mechanism may be sex. It's interesting to me that MC seemed to be pursuing Terri (I think this whole thing was a set-up by someone who thought he could be the hero, IMHO). It wasn't her seeking him out; he was at her house, bringing her things, paying her attention. Just a thought...

 

[Mylou]

Well even if it is a gross misrepresentation, if LE has provided a text in which Terri says this, I can't blame Kaine for filing this motion. And what in God's Green Earth is she doing texting this stuff to begin with? Man they need to take all electronics away from this woman. Houze was hired on June 30 I believe. The texting or sexting happened beginning around the 28th. Don't know exactly when it stopped but the motion on the texting was July 12. Now this most recent motion this week about the 350K .......when was it sent /received. Do not even tell me this texting is still ongoing now. Tell me the motion was only filed this week because that is when Kaine learned of it.

Because if you tell me it happened after they were already exposed in mid-July I think I may have to lose what is left of my mind.

I don't laugh a whole lot about this case, but this bolded part made me giggle. So true!

 

[wondering1]

Which is probably why KH should cool his jets, yes I understand that this would be incredibly hard to do-who the heck wants to stay married to someone like TH has been portrayed... in my wise mother's words "pick your battles, and choice wisely-try to pick the ones you can win".

Is it possible that KH's attorney overreached/became over confident that everything she filed for would be given? Not seeing any action from TH's camp...she might have become a little complacent.

And now, here they come....

I seriously, seriously doubt that any attorney in KH's camp is complacent. I'm sure they have brainstormed about all of the issues and strategy in the case and are executing a plan that has been carefully, carefully considered. This is a huge case, with momentous implications. None of the lawyers involved are doing anything without serious deliberation, and certainly are not being "over confident"...jmoo