2010.07.01 - Source: Terri Horman lied to investigators

[DairyGirl]

Agreed, whole case is doing just that so far.

Well, it also said she just failed one question. Maybe she was nervous. I could never pass a polygraph telling the plain truth. Also, it depends on the person giving the polygraph and their interpretations.

Why no mention of the second polygraph.

Makes me wonder what the question was? Do you know where Kyron is? Did you harm Kyron?
I wonder how she did on the second one?

 

[tlcya]

There is no benefit to her that I can see. If she is guilty, her motive would have been to get Kyron out of the way - permanently. Given the fact that TH was talking about killing her husband with the landscape guy, I don't think she would show any mercy to her husband's son.
I think the only motives in this case are money and possibly revenge (for making her own son leave the home).

Getting Kyron out of the way of what? If the landscaper stories are true, she wanted her husband dead and out of her marriage. Should she succeed with that goal, then Kyron, not being her biological issue and having a biological mother to go to - he would just be handed off to his mother - leaving Terri with Baby K, life insurance on husband and all marital assets. Not sure what Kyron is "in the way of" in this scenerio. Or maybe I am missing something?

 

[shefner]

This time, he wore a body wire and was accompanied by an undercover officer. On the recorded conversation, he sought $10,000 from her, saying otherwise he would go to police with the murder-for-hire plot, sources said.

That would explain the 911 call regarding a 'threat'.

I think this whole set-up was an incredible flop. LE gained nothing from it and the "landscaper" doesn't look too credible. I'm not saying the the murder-for-hire offer didn't happen but there is really no evidence.

 

[keeponsearching]

It kinda suprises me if that is the reason she called 911.... IF she did hire this landscaper wouldn't she just tell him to leave and close the door or would she call 911 and in her mind( we already know) have the police find out about this man.

 

[grayjay]

I think the issue of leaks in this case, and how they are used as facts and solid judgments are formed, is just the next chapter in the story of how we come to a point where LE doesn't share anything whatsoever, not even going so far as using the term, POI. It's an indication of how fast things are changing because of the technology that is spread before us.

I'm not sure I can find a place to doubt this is fact, but honestly, a lot of items that the public ingests aren't allowed in the court. And sometimes when they're denied as admissible, the whole case unravels. So no, I don't think this really taints the jury pool all that much if they're not allowed to use it. And you can rest assured, that not everyone is even following this psychodrama.

 

[justbeachy]

Agreed, whole case is doing just that so far.

Well, it also said she just failed one question. Maybe she was nervous. I could never pass a polygraph telling the plain truth. Also, it depends on the person giving the polygraph and their interpretations.

Why no mention of the second polygraph.

ETA: We are not the only ones thinking this way.

"Kyron Horman Disappearance: Is Terri Moulton Horman Victim of Wicked Stepmother Perception?"

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5557072/kyron_horman_disappearance_is_terri.html?cat=8

BBM: I completely agree with this! I am fully convinced that if someone gave me a poly *right now* about something I was completely innocent of doing, I would fail. Horribly and miserably. I would get so nervous about the "important" questions that as soon as they asked them I would register as lying even when I wasn't. I hope to God I never have to take one because I am fully convinced that I would fail BIG TIME.

 

[Tink56]

Makes me wonder what the question was? Do you know where Kyron is? Did you harm Kyron?
I wonder how she did on the second one?

It's my understanding polygraph questions are ones that are answerable with "yes" or "no" responses. Your suggestion that it was "Did you harm Kyron?' is pretty good. I'm betting it was something more general such as "Do you know anything about the disappearance of Kyron?" or "Did you have anything to do with the disapearance of Kyron?"

I personally think that polys are good investigative tools, but one must remember they are not admissable in a court of law because of their highly subjective nature such as the lack of control on the administering settings, examiner, etc. It is problematic. Sigh....:treadmill:

 

[Emeralgem]

Getting Kyron out of the way of what? If the landscaper stories are true, she wanted her husband dead and out of her marriage. Should she succeed with that goal, then Kyron, not being her biological issue and having a biological mother to go to - he would just be handed off to his mother - leaving Terri with Baby K, life insurance on husband and all marital assets. Not sure what Kyron is "in the way of" in this scenerio. Or maybe I am missing something?

I feel certain Kyron being Kaine's son was/is most probably listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policies Kaine owns.. Also, getting rid of Kyron would ensure she and her daughter would be the ONLY recipients of any and all Kaine's assets and monies If there was a divorce in the near future or anything were to happen to Kaine..JMO

 

[Tink56]

I feel certain Kyron being Kaine's son was/is most probalby listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policies Kaine owned.. Also, getting rid of Kyron would ensure she and her daughter would be the recipients of any and all Kaine's assets and monies If there was a divorce or anything were to happen to Kaine..JMO

YEP! What's the old saying? "Follow the money..."

 

[tlcya]

I realize a lot of idiots will do a lot of things for a little money but I sure hope that's not the case here. I mean, we've all seen the coverage and the film footage of their property and house. Doesn't look like much to me. Not being catty but realistic. These are regular people of regular means who live in a regular home. Doesn't seem like much money to follow.

 

[Tuffy]

I feel certain Kyron being Kaine's son was/is most probably listed as a beneficiary on any life insurance policies Kaine owns.. Also, getting rid of Kyron would ensure she and her daughter would be the ONLY recipients of any and all Kaine's assets and monies If there was a divorce in the near future or anything were to happen to Kaine..JMO

Maybe I'm kind of behind in the times, but is it common to list only your children as beneficiaries on life insurance policies? It would seem a bit mean to me to not leave anything to your spouse. Especially if she is a SAHM.

In the case of Terri and Kaine, if she knew this was the case, I'd imagine she would be pretty upset. If Kaine were to die unexpectedly, it would leave her penniless, without an income.

 

[James Vic]

Maybe I'm kind of behind in the times, but is it common to list only your children as beneficiaries on life insurance policies? It would seem a bit mean to me to not leave anything to your spouse. Especially if she is a SAHM.

In the case of Terri and Kaine, if she knew this was the case, I'd imagine she would be pretty upset. If Kaine were to die unexpectedly, it would leave her penniless, without an income.

JMO I have had many insurance policies throughout my marriages and different employers. I have always listed a spouse or parents first and the specific child second.

 

[TopTop]

Maybe I'm kind of behind in the times, but is it common to list only your children as beneficiaries on life insurance policies? It would seem a bit mean to me to not leave anything to your spouse. Especially if she is a SAHM.

In the case of Terri and Kaine, if she knew this was the case, I'd imagine she would be pretty upset. If Kaine were to die unexpectedly, it would leave her penniless, without an income.

I don't know what's typical...but I originally put my kids as beneficiaries on my life insurance policy. I thought that if I was dead I didn't want my hubbie spending my money with his new wife . That didn't go over too well with him so I did eventually change it to him....and threatened to haunt him if he got married too quickly!

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Well,If they are saying she lied to investigators of where she was.Maybe she didn't lie and she really was where she said she was.Where did she say she was?

 

[xin]

I don't know what's typical...but I originally put my kids as beneficiaries on my life insurance policy. I thought that if I was dead I didn't want my hubbie spending my money with his new wife . That didn't go over too well with him so I did eventually change it to him....and threatened to haunt him if he got married too quickly!

My insurance guy says most wives say this!

 

[Kat]

On thinking about the money trail. Personally I don't subscribe to this theory but...I'll did have a thought while reading these posts.

It doesn't have to be about insurance money. JMHO (if it is about money).

Does Kaine have a will? If he does, what is Terri getting out of it? Just food for thought. Like I said I don't see money as the reason, but I'm not going to shoot anyone down exploring this theory.

JMHO.

 

[xin]

On thinking about the money trail. Personally I don't subscribe to this theory but...I'll did have a thought while reading these posts.

It doesn't have to be about insurance money. JMHO (if it is about money).

Does Kaine have a will? If he does, what is Terri getting out of it? Just food for thought. Like I said I don't see money as the reason, but I'm not going to shoot anyone down exploring this theory.

JMHO.

He could have some nice stock options at Intel. $$$

 

[Kat]

He could have some nice stock options at Intel. $$$

Good thinking xin. (playing further with this leads me to think) 401K, house, any savings accts. etc. He only has two children correct? Interesting to think about esp. if the murder for hire is proven to be accurate. Especially if he only has two children and one of those children is her own bio child. Wonder IF he does have a will---just speculating---are both children named (is it current)?

IMHO it doesn't always have to be about the life insurance. It could just be what he has is what she wants, the insurance money would be icing on the cake if she was the beneficiary.

Just some thoughts to continue with playing with the theory. JMHO.

 

[rnmif]

This is my first post. I've been slogging through the suggested rules of engagement here, but I get overwhelmed by too much info, so if I goof up somehow, please forgive, point me in the right direction, pat me on the head, and give me a shove in the right direction.

As far as the cel pings, I've traveled 26 and 30 numerous times. I am less familiar with how the cel towers can be wrong there than with the areas I frequent now, but I have an interesting experience across the river that makes me question the meaning of any cel pings.

I have been spending time regularly on Beaver Creek Rd, at 1000 ft elevation, in Cathlamet WA. Not on the border, but firmly in Cathlamet. However my cel phone NEVER knows I'm in Cathlamet WA. It places me at Silver Lake, Naselle, or even Clatskanie, OR.

As for the polygraph, the studies seem to show it can clear the innocent and convict the guilty far too often in controlled, double blind studies. It only tells if someone is having a physiological response. I find it interesting that Desiree's first response was to accuse Terri. If Terri knew immediately that her marriage was in question (and how could Kaine not be furious with her) and that she had let everyone down, and Desiree was already thinking she'd done something intentionally, how could she NOT have an emotional/panic reaction in response to questions that seemed to her to be indicating she might be a suspect?

I have some other thoughts.... but I'll have to figure out how to spit them out in a more cohesive manner first.

 

[Kateyes]

This is my first post. I've been slogging through the suggested rules of engagement here, but I get overwhelmed by too much info, so if I goof up somehow, please forgive, point me in the right direction, pat me on the head, and give me a shove in the right direction.

As far as the cel pings, I've traveled 26 and 30 numerous times. I am less familiar with how the cel towers can be wrong there than with the areas I frequent now, but I have an interesting experience across the river that makes me question the meaning of any cel pings.

I have been spending time regularly on Beaver Creek Rd, at 1000 ft elevation, in Cathlamet WA. Not on the border, but firmly in Cathlamet. However my cel phone NEVER knows I'm in Cathlamet WA. It places me at Silver Lake, Naselle, or even Clatskanie, OR.

As for the polygraph, the studies seem to show it can clear the innocent and convict the guilty far too often in controlled, double blind studies. It only tells if someone is having a physiological response. I find it interesting that Desiree's first response was to accuse Terri. If Terri knew immediately that her marriage was in question (and how could Kaine not be furious with her) and that she had let everyone down, and Desiree was already thinking she'd done something intentionally, how could she NOT have an emotional/panic reaction in response to questions that seemed to her to be indicating she might be a suspect?

I have some other thoughts.... but I'll have to figure out how to spit them out in a more cohesive manner first.

Hello.rnmif, and welcome to Websleuths! Thanks for jumping in with your first post. I totally agree with the emotional state possibly skewing the polygraph results. I wonder if polygraph administrators would say that controls are built into the test to filter out nervousness, etc. I think they might. In your statement about studies showing the polygraph has cleared the innocent and convicted the guilty (paraphrased). Did you mean to state the opposite, because it seems that I was reading it that you were saying, between the lines, that polygraphs are not always accurate. I definitely agree that this is true also. Thanks