2010.07.01 - The Oregonian and Willamette Week not invited to the presser

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I guess I'm missing the entire point of even speaking with the media when they can't report what is said. I just don't see how this helps at all? Pointless IMO and absurd.

I think these are combination briefings, though, where there will be some things that can be directly reported -- such as when Kyron's mother spoke today -- and some things that are off the record.
 
So maybe this is petty, but this comment really bugs me:

"Kaine said they miss Kyron’s toothless smile, belly laugh and him just being around."

Kyron doesn't have a toothless smile. Why would his dad say he does? :waitasec:

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I noted that as well and found it very odd.

Naturally, this is just my opinion.
 
Depends on which picture you look at I suppose?

The picture taken on June 4th shows him with his permanent front teeth. I don't think it makes sense to say you miss your child's toothless grin when they have their permanent teeth. It's irrelevant if Kaine likes remembering Kyron as a 6 year old with missing teeth because I think you'd be referencing the child you had 1 month ago, not the child you had 1, 2 or however many years ago, when saying what you currently miss about them.

JMO.
 
The picture taken on June 4th shows him with his permanent front teeth. I don't think it makes sense to say you miss your child's toothless grin when they have their permanent teeth. It's irrelevant if Kaine likes remembering Kyron as a 6 year old with missing teeth because I think you'd be referencing the child you had 1 month ago, not the child you had 1, 2 or however many years ago, when saying what you currently miss about them.

JMO.

Good point, maybe he just liked the toothless grin?
 
HELP! I don't know which way to fall off the fence! Can I borrow someone's THUD?
 
It may have been somewhat reactionary with Kaine vs. the press today.

Kaine has struck me as a logical/process guy with a list. Today he pushed process aside to take control and set some ground rules about his interest in working as team with the press. It was a reactionary attitude - he was reacting to news coverage he considered off-limits - and he was reacting from stress, frustration, anger, fear, protective instinct.

And, I'm not sure he meant "Team" so much as quid pro quo. Which, I suppose, might be a reasonable expectation when you and the press are married to each other for a long time...

WW made an interesting choice itself today - to run off and complain and whine about being kicked out in thier news blog. WW decided to break the family's request for trust because the family called out the WW on tactics (such as in-your-face-on-your-doorstep-unannounced-interviews) and make the story about the WW vs. the Horman family. Is that reporting? Or is that bitterness?

The Oregonian did not make the choice to run off and whine. The Oregonian figured out how to work with the family.

The WW bogarted Kyron's story today and tanked the family's message about Kyron. The WW put the spotlight instead on the parents' ground rules for cooperation and request for less media intrusiveness. The WW dredged up family history, that clearly, Kaine and Desiree have long since pushed past. What's next? An expose on Desiree?

Maybe it's okay that Kaine has the cajones to tell the WW to back off. (Of course, I'm okay if the WW investigates and reports what it will - so long as they stick to the facts. But the headline - "Troubled Family" - that was salacious - not factual.)

And maybe it's a little silly for the WW to use agressive tactics and salacious headlines on the Horman family, then whine and complain when the Hormans called them out it in a presser. The WW should have some journalistic integrity when called on tactics - it should be fully prepared to support it's investigative reporting as relevant.

Maybe the WW is aggressive and prides itself on going where no other papers go. Like right up on Terri's stoop, univited. So be it. If that's the case, they must be used to getting booted from pressers.

Just yesterday, the AP wires announced to the world that LE said Terri Horman was not a suspect nor a POI. Other reports said the opposite.

Is that journalism? Maybe Kaine should be pissed off. Why not hold news folks on his son's story to a higher bar of relevance and accuracy?

I'm not really sure what exactly the parents did wrong other than to handle the press awkwardly by expressing clearly their preferences. Not sure what all the uproar is. The Horman family are private citizens and can make requests of the press, and can choose who they are willing to speak to. But they can't control the press. I think they know that. I also think they are not LE. They don't have any obligation to let everyone into their pressers. LE does.

The family realizes it benefits Kyron's case to invite as many press representatives as possible in. And I think they're trying to do that. So long as they believe that press is really interested in supporting Kyron and his family. As opposed to ripping them further apart - for no reason - during this horrific nightmare they are enduring.

The press the family chooses work with can take the Horman info or leave it. They can cover the story cooperatively or combatively. The press' freedom to do so is protected either way.

So really, what's the big deal if Kaine expresses his family's wishes, and decides who they do and do not want to give exclusives to?

Anyway, just some reflection after all the media hub-bub today and - all JMHO, as usual.
 
IMO - the divorce and the restraining order is the elephant in the room to many people at this point. It's taken center stage in this case and carries a strong innuendo about the stance of Kaine, Desiree and her hub.
 
lol, I appreciate the warning! Other than that, it's clear as mud up here.

Clear as mud, good description! By the fence comment I just meant it seems like this case has changed focus so many times. People lean one way, then another, then another... It's crazy :(
 
It may have been somewhat reactionary with Kaine vs. the press today.

Kaine has struck me as a logical/process guy with a list. Today he pushed process aside to take control and set some ground rules about his interest in working as team with the press. It was a reactionary attitude - he was reacting to news coverage he considered off-limits - and he was reacting from stress, frustration, anger, fear, protective instinct.

And, I'm not sure he meant "Team" so much as quid pro quo. Which, I suppose, might be a reasonable expectation when you and the press are married to each other for a long time...

WW made an interesting choice itself today - to run off and complain and whine about being kicked out in thier news blog. WW decided to break the family's request for trust because the family called out the WW on tactics (such as in-your-face-on-your-doorstep-unannounced-interviews) and make the story about the WW vs. the Horman family. Is that reporting? Or is that bitterness?

The Oregonian did not make the choice to run off and whine. The Oregonian figured out how to work with the family.

The WW bogarted Kyron's story today and tanked the family's message about Kyron. The WW put the spotlight instead on the parents' ground rules for cooperation and request for less media intrusiveness. The WW dredged up family history, that clearly, Kaine and Desiree have long since pushed past. What's next? An expose on Desiree?

Maybe it's okay that Kaine has the cajones to tell the WW to back off. (Of course, I'm okay if the WW investigates and reports what it will - so long as they stick to the facts. But the headline - "Troubled Family" - that was salacious - not factual.)

And maybe it's a little silly for the WW to use agressive tactics and salacious headlines on the Horman family, then whine and complain when the Hormans called them out it in a presser. The WW should have some journalistic integrity when called on tactics - it should be fully prepared to support it's investigative reporting as relevant.

Maybe the WW is aggressive and prides itself on going where no other papers go. Like right up on Terri's stoop, univited. So be it. If that's the case, they must be used to getting booted from pressers.

Just yesterday, the AP wires announced to the world that LE said Terri Horman was not a suspect nor a POI. Other reports said the opposite.

Is that journalism? Maybe Kaine should be pissed off. Why not hold news folks on his son's story to a higher bar of relevance and accuracy?

I'm not really sure what exactly the parents did wrong other than to handle the press awkwardly by expressing clearly their preferences. Not sure what all the uproar is. The Horman family are private citizens and can make requests of the press, and can choose who they are willing to speak to. But they can't control the press. I think they know that. I also think they are not LE. They don't have any obligation to let everyone into their pressers. LE does.

The family realizes it benefits Kyron's case to invite as many press representatives as possible in. And I think they're trying to do that. So long as they believe that press is really interested in supporting Kyron and his family. As opposed to ripping them further apart - for no reason - during this horrific nightmare they are enduring.

The press the family chooses work with can take the Horman info or leave it. They can cover the story cooperatively or combatively. The press' freedom to do so is protected either way.

So really, what's the big deal if Kaine expresses his family's wishes, and decides who they do and do not want to give exclusives to?

Anyway, just some reflection after all the media hub-bub today and - all JMHO, as usual.
I was going to post something very similar, but waited for you to do it for me. thanks.
 
There was a very noticeable absence of any LE anywhere near this pc today. I find it hard to believe that was a coincidence, when they have carefully protected and ushered the family in on prior appearances. I think there was a change of attitude by LE this week, and it started with the 911 calls. I also think that it is quite interesting that one of Kaine's friends has been the one bringing supplies to TH and her family. This person did this after the divorce filing, and the RO and after speaking with KH following those events. To me, this indicates that he has seen/heard something to make him feel sympathy for TH in this case.

jmo

BBM

I had the same reaction when I read that. Thanks for bringing that up.
 
I don't really see the point of yesterday's "meeting". There was nothing new released about Kyron, except for a bee allergy (telling about that waaay to late...) and a birthmark that cannot be seen unless he is upset.

I agree with the WW for not going back in there and kissing up. That is not the media's place to kiss up to people. It is the media's place to get the story. If the media gets controlled by a generic family then what does that tell you about the people with power and influence? I firmly believe in freedom of the press.

Most corporations have the "team mentality". "Team" in that connotation is just the group of people that you work with. In the case of the "meeting" these people are not on his "team" nor would he see them as that.

I wish today had really been about finding Kyron, or at least finding out what happened to him, but I don't think it has been.
 
What???? They can only air the tapes on Friday because Kyron went missing on Friday??? WTH??? I never heard of anything like this before!
Geeeesh! Sounds almost......... witchy.
No offense to any witches out there. :innocent:

What the hello is going on? If they really, truly wanted Kyron's face and story out there so that people can find them, you'd think that they'd want it out on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Longday, Shortday, Anyday, Allday and Everyday.

It's like they're trying to create a memorial, not news.
 
That is an excellent question, so many fingers are being pointed at TH, maybe that's their plan, takes the heat off another perp/family member to let their guard down?

Or just keep ratcheting up the pressure on TMH in the hope that she will crack.
 
IMO - the divorce and the restraining order is the elephant in the room to many people at this point. It's taken center stage in this case and carries a strong innuendo about the stance of Kaine, Desiree and her hub.

To me the divorce, restraining order, and the entire PC charade are ornaments draped over the elephant in the room to further disguise the nature of the beast.

:cow:
 
The press the family chooses work with can take the Horman info or leave it. They can cover the story cooperatively or combatively. The press' freedom to do so is protected either way.

So really, what's the big deal if Kaine expresses his family's wishes, and decides who they do and do not want to give exclusives to?

sbm

This:

What I don't like is not knowing if the team-player outlets are now publishing only Horman-approved news in order to get an invite to the next soiree...

I hate when the little press we have left is messed with...I do not put much stock in internet news, but I do count on newspapers and major networks to report what they learn without fear of hurt feelings.
 
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