2010.08.05 Dominic Casey emails

[pip]

I also recall the interviews of JH and DC were heavily redacted when released..there was quite a bit we still have not heard. I wonder what little nuggets of truth were told by each. I think they were in a race against the clock to spill the beans on each other, knowing they were in over their heads and had acted with impropriety. Their ship was sinking and each were trying to grab the ring of safety by throwing the other overboard. At least that's the impression I got as it unfolded. I think the best is yet to come in regard to the activities and insider knowledge of these two.

 

[whiteangora]

I wonder if James Hoover had any inside knowledge as to how DC REALLY came to search the woods on Suburban.. I am 100% sure the 'Ginny told me' version is a lie. I hope he spilled the beans on DC and we will hear more. I have always suspected Lee and/or Cindy knew and approximate location ie: those woods, and told him. I also think he had ill-intentions upon finding the remains.. ie: planting evidence, moving the body? I really think he and CA had a thing for each other. CA likely manipulated him.
JMO

bbm
James Hoover seemed to think so too. He talks about it in his deposition with Morgan&Morgan. Starting on page #101.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5087678/Casey-Anthony-James-hoover-deposition-March-25-09

 

[pip]

I'm getting all mixed up with information overload. Can anyone remind me how all these people got connected to begin with? And at what point were the Anthonys (more specifically Cindy) aware that DC was working largely from psychic tips? Do we know any of these answers from the DC emails? tia.

I would bet DC saw an opportunity and contacted them to jump on board. Honestly though, I can't remember.

 

[TorisMom003]

I'm getting all mixed up with information overload. Can anyone remind me how all these people got connected to begin with? And at what point were the Anthonys (more specifically Cindy) aware that DC was working largely from psychic tips? Do we know any of these answers from the DC emails? tia.

This is exactly what I brought up to my husband last night. I could not find any answer in the emails as to how Luke, Ginny and D Casey all got together. That is bugging me alot. Is it possible that Luke called in those tips, Cindy gave those tips to D Casey to sort out and D Casey then called Luke to find out more information? The whole thing makes my head hurt though.

 

[pip]

This is exactly what I brought up to my husband last night. I could not find any answer in the emails as to how Luke, Ginny and D Casey all got together. That is bugging me alot. Is it possible that Luke called in those tips, Cindy gave those tips to D Casey to sort out and D Casey then called Luke to find out more information? The whole thing makes my head hurt though.

The most logical explanation I can come up with is birds of a feather flock together.. They were all following the case and found each other via the internet and formed a network.
All hobbyist sleuthers/wanna be detectives who crossed the forbidden line from interest to insertion.

 

[LambChop]

Just guessing here but I would assume that the psychic that lost his job may have done so if he sent an email to LE from work. Once that was revealed the company probably read the emails sent to DC if they were in fact sent from work, which it appears they may have been by some of the postings. If this were the case it is grounds for dismissal. I would say in particular the investigative parts where peoples names are actually called out in the email. If this was so I would think it would be grounds for immediate dismissal, no prior warnings necessary. Many people do not know that internet in work is company property and misusing it could cause you to lose your job. Plus the fact that if you are using the internet for personal messages you are not working and that is considered theft of time. Some companies are okay with a few private messages but you should know what their policy is before emailing a private message. jmo

 

[wildchild1961]

While some people find the idea of "psychic tips" eccentric or ridiculous, and might find it eccentric that the private investigator for the family would have any relationship with these psychics or took their tips, we have to remember that some people do believe some people may be kind of intuitive, and even people who are not necessarily believers in that sort of thing might be willing to check out psychic tips just in case. It's like, why not, what is there to lose, especially when you have no other leads? And I think if I were the A family or DC I would also appreciate these people who were trying to be helpful. I could imagine, I don't think I would turn away ANY kind of tip, psychic or otherwise, if a loved one of mine was missing. I really don't think I would. MOO

Seagull, I can't speak for anyone else here.. but personally I don't have an issue with following up on psychic tips"... however .... I would be using hard facts to explore other leads as well and I certainly would not fill my client's heads with one psychic tip after another and discount the very real evidence sitting in front of my face back at home just because it doesn't jive with the psychic tips.

wild

 

[LambChop]

Seagull, I can't speak for anyone else here.. but personally I don't have an issue with following up on psychic tips"... however .... I would be using hard facts to explore other leads as well and I certainly would not fill my client's heads with one psychic tip after another and discount the very real evidence sitting in front of my face back at home just because it doesn't jive with the psychic tips.

wild

PLUS....who paid for the "guys on the ground" in GA. Who paid for DC's people????? jmo

 

[wildchild1961]

I could be wrong but to me DC just seems like a harmless, rather nice fellow, doing private investigation for the family, trying to follow up on any kind of tips he receives. He's always been torn apart so much here and elsewhere, I was surprised to see that (at least so far) his emails don't appear improper or anything like it. He appears rather sweet, maybe a bit overwhelmed and exhausted, but trying to do the right thing.

Who knows for sure whether any of his theories are correct or not? But he didn't make any formal accusations as far as I know, he states them only as theories, gut feelings, etc doesn't he? At least from what I've seen. Not like Padilla stating things as facts, for example.

I thought Ginny was referring to herself as Luke and her husband as Mr. Luke (from Lucas). It was one of the other people in the group with the name Luke? OK. It is a bit confusing with the emails all repeated over and over and end on end. Once again, the number of pages of documents released is TOTALLY inflated. For example, in the emails we see the same emails over and over endlessly. Why does this always happen? four hundred pages in and it seems like it's been maybe only about 10 different emails! LOL

Seriously? this is someone's fault OTHER than DC himself??????? The reason the pages of documents are totally inflated is that DC has no concept of TRIM your posts and clean up your own emails. These are HIS emails.. not anyone else's. If LE started trimming and cutting emails entered as evidence .. I wonder how soon it would be before someone like Cindy started screaming to high heaven that evidence is being tampered with? I am a huge believer in putting accountability on the correct person's doorstep, or in this case.. email. In this case.. it rests firmly at DC's fingertips.

wild

 

[Dear Prudence]

I'm getting all mixed up with information overload. Can anyone remind me how all these people got connected to begin with? And at what point were the Anthonys (more specifically Cindy) aware that DC was working largely from psychic tips? Do we know any of these answers from the DC emails? tia.

I couldn't find any answers in the emails, but check this link:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21310288/detail.html

It's a link to Cindy's deposition with the state. Starting at the bottom of typed p. 464 (pdf p. 282) Cindy talks about how she received a tip about Caylee from Luke. She tried to pass the tip on to Sgt. Allen but he said the guy was not credible and he didn't pay attention to psychics. Cindy believed he was credible so she asked Dominic Casey to check out the tip. This was in late July 2008 according to Cindy. It's a pretty interesting read for about 8 or so pages (typical rambling Cindy-style talking.)

What I don't know is if this is how Dominic and Luke first started their relationship or if it started before Cindy connected them.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I couldn't find any answers in the emails, but check this link:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24527395/detail.html

It's a link to Cindy's deposition with the state. Starting at the bottom of typed p. 464 (pdf p. 282) Cindy talks about how she received a tip about Caylee from Luke. She tried to pass the tip on to Sgt. Allen but he said the guy was not credible and he didn't pay attention to psychics. Cindy believed he was credible so she asked Dominic Casey to check out the tip. This was in late July 2008 according to Cindy. It's a pretty interesting read for about 8 or so pages (typical rambling Cindy-style talking.)

What I don't know is if this is how Dominic and Luke first started their relationship or if it started before Cindy connected them.

Thank you, Dear Prudence. This early date makes me suspicious that Cindy could be the leader of this pack as opposed to having been taken advantage of by them. If she did, in fact, assemble this little group there's no doubt in my mind she was doing the driving ~ steering it in the direction she wanted it to go. Thanks again; I'm going to read it now.

 

[joypath]

Originally Posted by seagull65 [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5496030#post5496030"]

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I could be wrong but to me DC just seems like a harmless, rather nice fellow, doing private investigation for the family, trying to follow up on any kind of tips he receives. He's always been torn apart so much here and elsewhere, I was surprised to see that (at least so far) his emails don't appear improper or anything like it. He appears rather sweet, maybe a bit overwhelmed and exhausted, but trying to do the right thing.

Who knows for sure whether any of his theories are correct or not? But he didn't make any formal accusations as far as I know, he states them only as theories, gut feelings, etc doesn't he? At least from what I've seen. Not like Padilla stating things as facts, for example.

I thought Ginny was referring to herself as Luke and her husband as Mr. Luke (from Lucas). It was one of the other people in the group with the name Luke? OK. It is a bit confusing with the emails all repeated over and over and end on end. Once again, the number of pages of documents released is TOTALLY inflated. For example, in the emails we see the same emails over and over endlessly. Why does this always happen? four hundred pages in and it seems like it's been maybe only about 10 different emails! LOL


Wildchild 1961 response:
Seriously? this is someone's fault OTHER than DC himself??????? The reason the pages of documents are totally inflated is that DC has no concept of TRIM your posts and clean up your own emails. These are HIS emails.. not anyone else's. If LE started trimming and cutting emails entered as evidence .. I wonder how soon it would be before someone like Cindy started screaming to high heaven that evidence is being tampered with? I am a huge believer in putting accountability on the correct person's doorstep, or in this case.. email. In this case.. it rests firmly at DC's fingertips.

wild

:angel:Amen wildchild!:angel: And may I just add, since WHEN has this been a study in QUANTITY vs quality? (although NEITHER seem to exist in the correspondence within the defense "camp" participants.)!
Even using a flow-chart format with these emails is impossible, they are a virtual river of septic thoughts disconnected from or to reality! However, they are great seedlings for future sci-fi or Disney movies! :banghead:

:truce: Seagull: I respectfully suggest that you carefully reevaluate the participants after reading ALL the documents in respect to the "harmlessness" rendered to the search and rescue/recovery of Caylee Marie Anthony and the man and woman hours dedicated to that effort. :twocents:"Harmless" is NOT a term I'd apply but then again I come from a "boots on the ground" background and recognize a few details that go into S & R. :twocents:

 

[wildchild1961]

Well said soju!...and the part I bolded is what breaks my heart and drives my BP up!

LE has to go where the evidence takes them and it seems DC, the A's, etc. want to create their own evidence to point towards anyone or anywhere else...as long as it's NOT ICA...hmm..why do you suppose that is?.. :waitasec:..:sick:..

Also Pondering, one has to wonder.. if DC was trying soooo hard to explore every possible avenue and to make sure he and his team turned over every possible stone.. then why didn't he investigate CASEY herself? Seems to be the most logical place to start.

wild

 

[pip]

Also Pondering, one has to wonder.. if DC was trying soooo hard to explore every possible avenue and to make sure he and his team turned over every possible stone.. then why didn't he investigate CASEY herself? Seems to be the most logical place to start.

wild

Ding Ding Ding! Post of the day!

Answer:
Cuz he was hired to find someone else guilty.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Thank you, Dear Prudence. This early date makes me suspicious that Cindy could be the leader of this pack as opposed to having been taken advantage of by them. If she did, in fact, assemble this little group there's no doubt in my mind she was doing the driving ~ steering it in the direction she wanted it to go. Thanks again; I'm going to read it now.

After reading Cindy's deposition about the tip from Luke and where she states "I had hooked Luke and Mr. Casey up though" and reviewing the first emails between Luke and DC I am convinced Cindy did indeed hook the two up. The tip Cindy received from Luke about the Morales house with a barking dog that she asked DC to check out was the first topic of discussion on the emails.

 

[TorisMom003]

Also Pondering, one has to wonder.. if DC was trying soooo hard to explore every possible avenue and to make sure he and his team turned over every possible stone.. then why didn't he investigate CASEY herself? Seems to be the most logical place to start.

wild

The answer to that can be found in the emails, bits and pieces here and there. D Casey definately wanted to protect Cindy no matter what. We know that Cindy wanted Casey (aka Princess) to be cleared no matter what. D Casey was not going to go against what Cindy wanted. D Casey didn't give a rats behind about implicating George or even Lee at one point but he would NOT say anything or allow any thinking that Cindy could be involved.

At one point in the emails Luke asked D Casey about Visine or something along the lines of Visine. Was it something that was in the home. Was it something that Cindy, Casey or even Caylee may have used. Luke then went on to explain what happens (or can happen) when someone ingests Visine. The reason Visine came up was the "nurse psychic" found a bottle of Visine in the hole at the lake that she swore held Caylee. Now D Casey tells Luke that yes Visine was used in the house by Casey and possibly Caylee but that Cindy DID NOT use it.

D Casey also had a soft spot for Mallory. When Luke asked about someone renting a storage unit D Casey said the Lee did. When Luke asked D Casey to describe Mallory to him D Casey was sure to add that she was a sweet girl who would have no involvement in something like this. We have seen from Cindy's letters to Casey that she (at the moment) thinks the world of Mallory. Mallory seems to have taken the place of Casey and Caylee and Cindy loves it.

Any person that Cindy had a problem with D Casey voiced his concerns about those same people in his emails to Luke. Any person that Cindy was ok with D Casey was ok with. I'd say that Cindy definately decided what road D Casey traveled during his "investigation". That is until D Casey himself was getting into some hot water because of this case. Then it appears that Cindy dumped him like a hot potatoe as he was no longer of any use to her.

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

PLUS....who paid for the "guys on the ground" in GA. Who paid for DC's people????? jmo

According to D Casey he also had guys on the ground in PR. Guys that were willing to move in ASAP when they had "confirmation" that Caylee was there. I didn't realize that D Casey had so many people working for him.

 

[LambChop]

According to D Casey he also had guys on the ground in PR. Guys that were willing to move in ASAP when they had "confirmation" that Caylee was there. I didn't realize that D Casey had so many people working for him.

So was money used from KC's account to pay for these "people on the ground" or were they just never paid, OR did they really never existed. I know JB stated in court, I believe, that the remainder of the money was spent on experts and investigators. Seems like a lot of money with "0" results....... jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

This is exactly what I brought up to my husband last night. I could not find any answer in the emails as to how Luke, Ginny and D Casey all got together. That is bugging me alot. Is it possible that Luke called in those tips, Cindy gave those tips to D Casey to sort out and D Casey then called Luke to find out more information? The whole thing makes my head hurt though.

I don't even know if these inane ramblings can be considered "tips". There was nothing remotely credible to base them on. I am so sickened by these "people". Hope LE is on the ball.

 

[TorisMom003]

So was money used from KC's account to pay for these "people on the ground" or were they just never paid, OR did they really never existed. I know JB stated in court, I believe, that the remainder of the money was spent on experts and investigators. Seems like a lot of money with "0" results....... jmo

After reading so many "I'll have to check. I'm not sure. Let me ask Cindy." responses to Luke from D Casey I would have to say that it was a load of BS that was fed to Luke. D Casey never appeared to be a true PI in the sense of one that knows how to do the job at hand. I was shocked at how much D Casey didn't know. Things that he could have easily found out for himself with just a little bit of research that he never bothered with. Personally I feel that Baez spent the money on things for himself. He needed a new suit for court. Wife wanted a vacation. Something along those lines. It is clear to me that in no way had Baez done the proper amount of work for the amount of money that he had received.

MOO