2010.10.29 Status Hearing

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logicalgirl said:
NO - sorry I got that going - I left out a bit - IF Bent becomes law - it only covers personal phone calls, not the rest of the things like mail, visitation, commissary, etc., that Baez has tried to get.

But Bent hasn't become a precedent yet - I'm not sure what this stage is called but it's not an in-stone law. I guess that means it will be appealed.

HHJP reverted back to his earlier decision which was No, No, and Definitely Not and it's final.
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Yes ... the Orlando Sentinel cited motions in play so suggested that Bent is not a done deal yet. So HHJP was just hypothesizing even if it was -- today -- JB would still not get what he wants ... it would only relate to calls that are purely personal in nature.
 
belle3 said:
For the first time ever in all the hearings, i got the feeling that casey has finally been made to see the reality of this all. Mom and dad cant save you. Your dream team has jumped ship because the evidence is irrefutable. The new lawyers must have given casey a dose of some kind of reality because they are talking penalty phase. ica's reaction to the whole, whats a copy? fiasco with baez, was priceless. She knows now that this judge has seen all the money and the skeletons and has heard all the excuses and lies and does not think that her or her defense team is very cute. This judges biggest interest is justice for the life that was taken too soon, not ensuring ica's rights are met on her every whim. That was made painfully aware to her today and shes starting to crack. Baez has done this all for himself and he is dangerously close to being ridiculously incompetent. I hope he is not the reason this trial gets an appeal, because at this point, it seems the only way an appeal would be effective.
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Excellent post! Very astute summary of the situation. Two thumbs up!
 
Itsy said:
I'm thinking Finnell wants to go to Ohio to look into Cindy & George and the way they were as parents to Casey more than what Casey was like as a child. As in, did Cindy/George do something to her to "damage" her way back then...

Gotta love HHJP :)
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If I were Cindy or George... I would be sweating right about now!! If KC is convicted, the defense will go after them and their parenting as a mitigating factor why KC became a child murderer.

JMO
 
katsclown said:
If Finnell can't get people to talk to her on the phone and she beats on the door does she expect to hear something she can actually use to defend KC? If these people she's trying to contact had anything to offer the defense, they would have called **** by now!!
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Hi,
I took the B name out of your post because you can get timed out for that. Just go to your post, hit the edit button and poof the B word.

Just trying to help a newbie. :)
 
Turnadot said:
If it were me, I wouldn't open the door for Finnel, the P.I., or anyone else the defense sent to question me unless I was compelled by the court, and only then with my attorney present.
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And you would be one hell of a wise person.
 
Snaz said:
I thought the motion was denied.... so KC can have personal phone calls with her parents and the calls not be released?

Now I am confused..... :waitasec:
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Snaz, I'm pretty sure that is still a "NO".

It's going to depend on some Bend (Bent?) case that has not been resolved as of yet.

I think! that's it.
imo
 
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katsclown said:
If Finnell can't get people to talk to her on the phone and she beats on the door does she expect to hear something she can actually use to defend KC? If these people she's trying to contact had anything to offer the defense, they would have called Baez by now!!
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Why does she need to drive to Ohio with all the attendant expenses?
Have they never heard of Skype?
 
SindyBill said:
JB and the JAC reminds me of when my mom used to give me a monthly allowance, and then a couple of weeks later I'd be asking for gas money or something. She'd ask me where did my allowance go and how'd I spend it, and I never had an exact answer.
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I bet if you really thought hard about it you'd know where you spent the money but you just didn't want to tell your mom because you spent it where you weren't supposed to. :waitasec:

That said, it would be hard for a kid to budget for a whole month imo. In the case of a law firm, you'd expect them to have their accounting system in place. That brings up a question, are law firms subjected to auditing?
 
Horace Finklestein said:
So it looks like Finnell is another Lyon. She's trying to gimmick her way into getting what she wants. I was gobsmacked when she was trying to get $$ to physically go to Ohio, and then lied to the court about being "required" to do so.
1. If it's THAT essential, pay for it yourself. It's Ohio not Antarctica.

2. Leave the people alone. They don't want to talk to you. They told you that. Only a disturbed person would think the next logical step would be to physically visit them. If I tell a telemarketer I'm not interested in something, would it be prudent or make sense for them to come to my house? It's abusive, pushy and disgusting.
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Why doesn't she write to them and if they still don't want to talk then leave it at that. KC's Ohio family obviously do not want any involvement, and who can blame them? What could they possibly contribute to this case when she only lived there until the age of 3?
 
sassy_texasbelle2 said:
I guess there is not anyone out there that is wanting to take the fall for ICA, even people from Ohio. They are treading on thin ice with all the harassment of people on their "witness list". They might want to rethink that strategy and move on to something else.
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The people in Ohio they want to talk to are family and it's for mitigation purposes after KC is found guilty. So I find it hard to understand why they won't talk if it helps keep KC from a death sentence. You would think Cindy and George would ask them to cooperate with the mitigation specialist. But, then again, maybe even family feels that KC, Cindy and George are not worth helping.
 
Turnadot said:
If it were me, I wouldn't open the door for Finnel, the P.I., or anyone else the defense sent to question me unless I was compelled by the court, and only then with my attorney present.
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I think your post should be a sticky in big, red, flashing letters for all searchers and potential family members that may get dragged into this mockery of justice. Don't be fooled by snake oil salesmen, you don't have to answer any of their questions or give them the time of day. Call 911 just like Casey did when she didn't like who was outside her door.

Come on JB, tell us what we all need to know so we'll all understand, no need to wait until trial to reveal your 'strategy'. (huge eye roll).

Although I didn't get to watch the entire hearing, I never heard Caylee's name once but I heard Skittles several times. I'm disgusted that it has come to this.

IMO
 
Woe.be.gone said:
I bet if you really thought hard about it you'd know where you spent the money but you just didn't want to tell your mom because you spent it where you weren't supposed to. :waitasec:

That said, it would be hard for a kid to budget for a whole month imo. In the case of a law firm, you'd expect them to have their accounting system in place. That brings up a question, are law firms subjected to auditing?
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LOL, reminds me of the time my mother kept asking me, 'Where did the money go from last week?!' She was incredulous, and in a moment of frustration and honesty, I replied, 'Stuff I didn't need, mom, God!' Then I stomped up to my room.

I was allegedly saving up for a bicycle.
 
Dear Prudence said:
The people in Ohio they want to talk to are family and it's for mitigation purposes after KC is found guilty. So I find it hard to understand why they won't talk if it helps keep KC from a death sentence. You would think Cindy and George would ask them to cooperate with the mitigation specialist. But, then again, maybe even family feels that KC, Cindy and George are not worth helping.
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. . . or maybe they heard about what happened to RK?
 
Mitigation digs very deep into the background of a defendant and their family in order to find some bit of information that will give the jury "permission" to punish with a sentence less than death.

While family members may wish to assist in saving a life, their "story" may be of a personal nature and something they prefer not be "exploited".

Given some of the "allegations of abuse" by KC via jail letters ,and "alleged comments" to previous boyfriends, I can certainly understand any hesitation by extened family to assist when there is a real concern regarding the way that certain info is used.
 
cyberborg said:
Yes ... the Orlando Sentinel cited motions in play so suggested that Bent is not a done deal yet. So HHJP was just hypothesizing even if it was -- today -- JB would still not get what he wants ... it would only relate to calls that are purely personal in nature.
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Right! I thought the defense might have a chance with getting the personal calls restricted but I was wrong. The Sentinel atty said they were appealing the ruling to the Florida Supreme Court. So I guess it can't be used as precedent yet.

Here's an interesting quote from R. Hornsby in a blog (http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/10/caseys-public-record-exception/) he wrote about the ruling and how it could pertain to KC:

"what ultimately will need to happen is the defense act like real attorneys, and instead of whining to judge Perry, they instead file a Writ of Certiorari (basically an interlocutory appeal) like the “defense attorneys” in Bent did and ask the Fifth District Court of Appeals to define what is a public record as it applies to the Casey Anthony case."

I think Baez should start reading Hornsby's blog. If they file a Writ of Certiorari next week we'll know why, lol.
 
So there's a network producer (abc?) practically arm in arm with Cindy...what in God's name is that all about? More blood money?
 
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