2011.01.30 new search north and west of Portland

[gwenabob]

I also was thinking of a connection to the Wilberger case. I'm wondering if TH followed it? I believe Brooke's remains were discovered in the Fall of 2009 on a logging road. Isn't that about the same time frame when TH "reportedly" started shopping around for a hit man?

The landscaper told authorities that Terri Moulton Horman approached him with the murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before Kyron disappeared, The Oregonian has learned.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

Brooke's remains weren't "discovered." The perp, who had been in custody for a lengthy period of time told them where she was in a plea deal. The Wilberger case pre-dates the Horman case by years and many, many miles. There is no possible way there is a connection.

 

[loves2bmom]

Brooke's remains weren't "discovered." The perp, who had been in custody for a lengthy period of time told them where she was in a plea deal. The Wilberger case pre-dates the Horman case by years and many, many miles. There is no possible way there is a connection.

Gwen, I think you misunderstood my post. I was just musing that someone who followed Brooke's story may have been watching and thinking to themselves....WOW, she was killed and left deep in the woods off a logging road and it took the perp telling them "approximately" where her remains were in order to find her 5 whole years later. If I was thinking about planning a murder, I would think by watching this case, I might get the idea that a body would never be found if I left him at such a location. If you believe that this crime against Kyron was premeditated and that possibly TH is the culprit, it's not a stretch to think she might have gotten some ideas about a logging road from Brooke's case.

 

[gwenabob]

Gwen, I think you misunderstood my post. I was just musing that someone who followed Brooke's story may have been watching and thinking to themselves....WOW, she was killed and left deep in the woods off a logging road and it took the perp telling them "approximately" where her remains were in order to find her 5 whole years later. If I was thinking about planning a murder, I would think by watching this case, I might get the idea that a body would never be found if I left him at such a location. If you believe that this crime against Kyron was premeditated and that possibly TH is the culprit, it's not a stretch to think she might have gotten some ideas about a logging road from Brooke's case.

You are right. I did misunderstand your post. And now that you explain it that way, I totally agree. It would be easy--very easy--to hide a body that way. And in Brooke's case, her remains were spread over a wide space. It didn't stay under the log. By the time nature is done, a body might never be recovered.

 

[loves2bmom]

Short report from Skyline today. The weather was about 50 degrees with some beautiful sun breaks but very windy. It's supposed to start raining tonight and into tomorrow and next week.

There was no sign of anyone searching that I could see. There was one silver (newer) pickup truck parked at the logging gate near Moreland. The truck was not parked there on my way up the hill around 12:30 but was there on my way home at 2:45. Looked "to me" like a "looky-loo". Say that 10 times fast. Was it one of you guys? LOL!!

 

[scandi]

Gwen, I think you misunderstood my post. I was just musing that someone who followed Brooke's story may have been watching and thinking to themselves....WOW, she was killed and left deep in the woods off a logging road and it took the perp telling them "approximately" where her remains were in order to find her 5 whole years later. If I was thinking about planning a murder, I would think by watching this case, I might get the idea that a body would never be found if I left him at such a location. If you believe that this crime against Kyron was premeditated and that possibly TH is the culprit, it's not a stretch to think she might have gotten some ideas about a logging road from Brooke's case.

Hi, Being disposed of off a logging road is very common in the NW. There's the Elma Jane Doe and 2 other ladies {done by a SK} recovered up in SW Wa, all off logging roads in the last several years. I haven't researched any others yet for names and locations.

The thing I was really trying to point out is that the area where Brooke was located and the dirt road of the last search for Kyron are very similar geographically and plant/tree wise. I read she was placed in a shallow grave at the base of a tree and covered with more leaves than dirt. Her remains had been there about 4 years, Kyron's maybe 8 mos. Once the close proximity of Brooke's site was learned the Human Recovery dogs found her right away. I think it might end up being very similar with Kyron if he is deceased. IMO

 

[scandi]

You are right. I did misunderstand your post. And now that you explain it that way, I totally agree. It would be easy--very easy--to hide a body that way. And in Brooke's case, her remains were spread over a wide space. It didn't stay under the log. By the time nature is done, a body might never be recovered.

Yes, I agree and think the longer remains are in the wild the more spread out they get. Caylee's remains were very spread out too like Brooke's, her's for the time out there and Caylee's because of the flooding I think. There are so many variables. Depending on the method of disposal Kyron could still be intact. xox

 

[cluciano63]

I agree the dogs would find him, if anyone agreed to take LE there, but I don't see that happening in this case.

 

[loves2bmom]

Hi, Being disposed of off a logging road is very common in the NW. There's the Elma Jane Doe and 2 other ladies {done by a SK} recovered up in SW Wa, all off logging roads in the last several years. I haven't researched any others yet for names and locations.

The thing I was really trying to point out is that the area where Brooke was located and the dirt road of the last search for Kyron are very similar geographically and plant/tree wise. I read she was placed in a shallow grave at the base of a tree and covered with more leaves than dirt. Her remains had been there about 4 years, Kyron's maybe 8 mos. Once the close proximity of Brooke's site was learned the Human Recovery dogs found her right away. I think it might end up being very similar with Kyron if he is deceased. IMO

I agree and if the tip (or new information?) that came in could get them in the general vicinity, then I think they can find him. If the tip was too broad or vague then I fear it's not going to happen.

 

[Billylee]

Please do not forget Stephanie Condon, who disappeared from my neck of the woods. Locally, it was recently reported that jury selection has begun for Dale Wayne Hill's trial.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20017123-504083.html


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Condon, an honor student from Riddle, Oregon, vanished Oct. 30, 1998 while she was babysitting for her cousin's twin toddlers in Myrtle Creek; however, her disappearance baffled investigators who suspected Hill, but could not find any concrete proof of his guilt.

Over the next ten years, Stephanie's family as well as the community pitched in by posting flyers and billboards, as well as hosting vigils, in hopes of finding the missing girl, reports KPIC.

On March 13, 2009, a hiker came across skeletal remains near an abandoned logging road. Police confirmed that the remains were those of Stephanie Condon, and Hill was taken into custody in Nevada the same day.



It took 10 years to find her remains, a man found them while taking a break sitting on a log. IIRC, this spot is not even far from where Hill had resided at one time.

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

sbm

I'm not sure family could ever have total closure. They never had a chance to say goodbye.
And even finding Kyron's body wouldn't guarantee an arrest and conviction, therefore, not "total closure". imo.

Well we need to think positively or nothing will be accomplished. I wish DeeDee would let her conscience be her guide ,especially if she isn't the killer, but has a lesser involvement .She does know something.!!!:maddening:

 

[scandi]

Please do not forget Stephanie Condon, who disappeared from my neck of the woods. Locally, it was recently reported that jury selection has begun for Dale Wayne Hill's trial.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20017123-504083.html


(snipped)

Condon, an honor student from Riddle, Oregon, vanished Oct. 30, 1998 while she was babysitting for her cousin's twin toddlers in Myrtle Creek; however, her disappearance baffled investigators who suspected Hill, but could not find any concrete proof of his guilt.

Over the next ten years, Stephanie's family as well as the community pitched in by posting flyers and billboards, as well as hosting vigils, in hopes of finding the missing girl, reports KPIC.

On March 13, 2009, a hiker came across skeletal remains near an abandoned logging road. Police confirmed that the remains were those of Stephanie Condon, and Hill was taken into custody in Nevada the same day.



It took 10 years to find her remains, a man found them while taking a break sitting on a log. IIRC, this spot is not even far from where Hill had resided at one time.

Hi Billylee, I am so sorry to learn about Stephanie and have heard nothing in the media about her case. It could be that Oregon seems to be split into zones and there is coverage south of Eugene that those north of Eugene just don't get. It has to be almost Breaking News for us to hear about it, like when the Oriental family were stranded off a logging rd and he walked out, trying to get help and then died. Is there a research thread for her here at WS?

As to your last paragraph, Stephanie's case is another in point how bodies are often secreted away and then found here in the Pacific Northwest. I keep thinking of the Elma Jane Doe. After many years missing, when a hiker came upon her body off a lonely logging rd there was a plaid shirt still hanging on a tree limb nearby.

 

[matou]

Not sure if this is in the right thread but I just read this Valentine's message for Kyron where Desiree states that "I will keep searching until you are in my arms again." Now I'm not sure what to think again. Is there hope that Kyron is alive and being held somewhere? Maybe it's just her way of coping. She is claiming that the searching is still happening, but there doesn't seem to be any reports from the area of a few weeks ago. This is very frustrating.
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=116113974&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

 

[loves2bmom]

Not sure if this is in the right thread but I just read this Valentine's message for Kyron where Desiree states that "I will keep searching until you are in my arms again." Now I'm not sure what to think again. Is there hope that Kyron is alive and being held somewhere? Maybe it's just her way of coping. She is claiming that the searching is still happening, but there doesn't seem to be any reports from the area of a few weeks ago. This is very frustrating.
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=116113974&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

I do think this is a coping mechanism for her. I do believe they are still working very hard on the case and it's possible a few small search groups have gone out in the last few weeks. I just haven't seen them. She could just be referring to the work that is being done by the investigators as "searching". I do know they are diligently working every single day on the case.

There's another article about her valentine message to Ky which included an important sentence claiming Staton is going to present his review in two days:

Supporters of the Kyron Horman search gathered Sunday at the Wall of Hope at noon to show their continued support for the missing child and his family. This event, held near Skyline Elementary School, the school Kyron Horman's attended before he disappeared on June 4, 2010, comes two days before Sheriff Dan Staton is scheduled to present a six-month review of the investigation to the Multnomah County Commissioners

http://northwestportland.katu.com/n...mother-has-valentine-still-missing-son/438469

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/agenda.shtml

Here is the agenda for Tuesday the 15th; Staton is supposed to present from 9:30-11AM, the subject is stream of offenders or something like that, and I guess they will touch on Kyron's case here as well? Or the status?

 

[pinktoes]

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/agenda.shtml

Here is the agenda for Tuesday the 15th; Staton is supposed to present from 9:30-11AM, the subject is stream of offenders or something like that, and I guess they will touch on Kyron's case here as well? Or the status?

I'm afraid it's not case-specific. Here's the link to the form that has to be completed to request time with the Board of Commissioners. And here's a brief snip of what was stated: "...In preparation for the 2011 Legislative Session and the FY11-12 Budget, the Board is requesting a set of workesessions that focus on the systems of care and their funding streams...." So, I think it's just administrative/budgetary stuff. Didn't Staton say "late" in Feb would be his Ky update to the Board? Hope so.


http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/cc/WeeklyAgendaPacket/B-1_Briefing Streams of Offenders/APR Briefing Streams of Offenders.pdf

Beejay

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/mother_of_kyron_horman_gives_t.html

According to this article, LE found "no indication of the boy" in the recent search...

 

[Aedrys]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/mother_of_kyron_horman_gives_t.html

According to this article, LE found "no indication of the boy" in the recent search...

Well that is just depressing...where ARE YOU Kyron? I know he's out there. It almost feels like he's right there and people just don't see him, you know? So frustrating! And the one person who knows refuses to say where he is...If Dede or anyone else knows anything and has any humanity left in them, they need to say something.

He's out there, waiting to be found, poor kid. If only he could be found...my heart goes out to his family. I know Desiree must be devastated that he wasn't found. I guess we can hope other clues were found, but "no indication of the boy" sounds like absolutely nothing was found. Or...maybe something related to the perp was found? No indication of the boy doesn't mean they didn't find something related to TH...

 

[pinktoes]

Pdx: Hi! I thought so earlier when you posted here about the Mult Commissioners mtg agenda. So, did you interpret the info from my link above the same as I did? (Or do you know from other sources)--that as Staton's board briefing tues is programmatic/budgetary rather than case-specific?

(I am NOT an IT person, unlike my friends. Would take me too long to figure out how to respond to a PM!)

 

[pdx]

I'm not sure if they've actually found Kyron, or if they ever will.

But I think it might be a matter of days until they arrest someone for his disappearance after this big report is given to the County Commissioners. I think the new searches were to go back over certain places with a fine-tooth comb. And who knows? Maybe they found something that actually will lead to Kyron in time.

Pdx: Hi! I thought so earlier when you posted here about the Mult Commissioners mtg agenda. So, did you interpret the info from my link above the same as I did? (Or do you know from other sources)--that as Staton's board briefing tues is programmatic/budgetary rather than case-specific?

(I am NOT an IT person, unlike my friends. Would take me too long to figure out how to respond to a PM!)

heh.. to reply to a PM, just click the 'reply' button in the message. Or, this works.

I think that the briefing is going to be private. I don't think the Horman case is going to be discussed in a public meeting at all.
I'm waiting for the Chair's schedule to update; that will be one way to see.

be back in a bit..

 

[Billylee]

http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/i...9152/KHTaskForceBusPlanWallsMedia_release.pdf

snipped:

Tentatively, this task force shall be in place for a 120 day period beginning October 15, 2010.

At the end of the 120 day operational period, recommendations will be made regarding the continued use of this task force.


Well, tomorrow will be the end of the 120 day operational period. My guess is, if they do not ask for and receive more funding, it will be the end of the task force and Kyron's case will officially become a cold case.