2011.03.24 Frye Hearing - Afternoon portion

[USARDOG]

Does anyone have a link to today's unusually proceedings??? I had my head burried all day at work and missed them. :banghead:

Thanks in advance.

 

[LambChop]

Moved over from the other thread:

Can someone tell me - If, as the DT stated, they are not going for a mental health defense then what relevance does expert testimony as to ICA's state of mind have to do with anything at this stage of the game?

Also, if the DT is not going to argue mental health or diminished capacity then I guess that means the whole idea of ICA being a victim of sexual abuse has to go out the window, right? Then that means they are back to a SODI defense?

AZLawyer mentioned on another thread that defense may not want the jury to hear KC's statement because of how icy cold she is, detached. So is it possible Dr. JZ is going to address why he feels she was so detached at the time? Of course she is still so today so not sure this would fly. Just wondering if that is what AF meant when she said "her state of mind". jmo

 

[RR0004]

Well, I am really stunned!! You know, I tried to tell myself that it isn't Casey's defense (other than JB) that is incompetent... that it really has to be hard to defend an undefendable client... but after today, and the decision to allow JB to question Dr. Vass... I just may be changing my mind about the other members of this defense team (Ann Finnell is cool in my book). Are they crazy??

Jose Baez is an awful attorney... and I am really being nice when I say this. He is completely disorganized and jumps all over the place. He constantly asks a question and then says "I'll get back to that" and he never does. He is way too emotionally invested in this case... but not for the right reasons.

I'm just stunned!!

Was it really that bad? I only heard snippets on the radio.

 

[beach]

A mental health DEFENSE means you are saying that, even if the defendant killed someone, they cannot be held responsible for their actions. This state of mind thing IMO will likely be about how and why Casey's lack of mental health led her to act happy when she was really terrified/devastated.

ETA: Not that I think she was REALLY terrified/devastated. That's just what I think the defense is going to argue.

Well this sure makes sense of why Ann Finnell was so involved today. I couldn't make sense of it before, but this pretty much connects the dots for me.

 

[nursebeeme]

here is Baez's tantrum:

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27312287/video.html

 

[NocturnalLady]

I'm still confused though as to what expert testimony on ICA's state of mind has to do with anything right now. Does the DT have a motion to exclude something that could be excluded based on her state of mind?

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Was it really that bad? I only heard snippets on the radio.

If I may offer a paraphrase of a famous movie... It was like being dissected with a blunt little tool.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Moved over from the other thread:

Can someone tell me - If, as the DT stated, they are not going for a mental health defense then what relevance does expert testimony as to ICA's state of mind have to do with anything at this stage of the game?

Also, if the DT is not going to argue mental health or diminished capacity then I guess that means the whole idea of ICA being a victim of sexual abuse has to go out the window, right? Then that means they are back to a SODI defense?

I have no idea just what DT is up to nor why..but state of mind is usually in penalty phase...after a plea is made..that would deminish her culpability level...Since DT and Casey are saying Casey didnt do this, I am gobsmacked ( English term ) that they even believe they can get this extraneous evidence and witnesses to testify???...I get the aweful feeling, that DT is trying to delay and delay then delay some more..and hopefull cause some sort of catastophe and another DT will have to take over..I wouldnt put it past JB to have a sudden health issue to get a continuance of some sort..He and his team are despirate at this point ( and I can see why:floorlaugh

 

[strawberry]

Someone was asking what was grave wax during the hearing. It is also called adipocere.. here is the link to the thread; just be warned the first post has a gruesome picture.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93024&highlight=grave+wax

 

[pip]

Anyone sleuth the Boca Raton MD yet? They said the name, either Weiss, Weitz or something like that. It would be interesting to know who it is and what type of MD they are. Amil stated that Michelle Medina left with a woman sitting in the back row of the prosecution and then came back and told the deputy that the woman was in the conference room. I wonder if the Dr. is a female and is observing KC in court, taking notes, and speaking w/ Casey in a guarded conference room w/ Baez too during break? Why would the deputy need to know the location of the woman, and why is she in a conference room?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Since hearing thread is closed - I will post my slide link here for those who like it. (Mods, feel free to move!) (Click blue title bar)
[ame="http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Jan32011%20Hearing/March%2023/March%2024/?action=view&current=73531559.pbw"]March 24 :: March 24 - Please take a moment to pause on slide one. slideshow by LifeCoachOnTheCouch - Photobucket[/ame]

Main album for today: http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Jan32011 Hearing/March 23/March 24/

As usual, captions express my feeling at time and not necessarily the opinions of WS or any other members, etc.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I'm still confused though as to what expert testimony on ICA's state of mind has to do with anything right now. Does the DT have a motion to exclude something that could be excluded based on her state of mind?

Maybe it is a state of mind of Casey during all those interviews she did with LE that have been admitted into evidence..as part of their motion to recuse Judge Perry for biasis??? Again..I dont know..and its apparant Judge Perry is unaware of C Mason's motion to the courts today??..!!

 

[2goldfish]

A mental health DEFENSE means you are saying that, even if the defendant killed someone, they cannot be held responsible for their actions. This state of mind thing IMO will likely be about how and why Casey's lack of mental health led her to act happy when she was really terrified/devastated.

ETA: Not that I think she was REALLY terrified/devastated. That's just what I think the defense is going to argue.

I totally get what you're saying, and I 100% agree (and in those words or thereabouts always have thought) this this was the defense's only possible shot - however - baez & co can say whatever, do whatever, bring in whatever expert, they can howl, they can stomp, they can cry tears of agony for poor poor ICA .... but one look from the jury, in the direction of miss ICA, scribbling on papers, fiddling her hair, and WORST OF ALL staring at witnesses and her own attorneys discussing the death of her daughter, with eyes of ice and no more expression on her face than if she was watching water boil....game over.

 

[strawberry]

I asked this in the other thread; will the super high chloroform be used to show Caylee was poisoned, or to show she anaerobically decomposed in the trunk.

BRB my dog is alerting on her full bladder. That's right, she's communicating very annoyingly and effectively with me.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

What I've gathered from these hearings is that Judge Perry is the most patient judge I have ever seen --bar none! These hearings have also confirmed my prior belief that JB is not competent to try this case--no snark-he just isn't competent. Even when Judge Perry was schooling him on the stipulation and made a comment to the effect that one could think that the stipulation was being used by an attorney to ambush the other (clearly meaning JB as the ambusher) JB agreed -but in the sense that JA was the ambusher. Just an embarrassment to the legal profession.

 

[NocturnalLady]

I asked this in the other thread; will the super high chloroform be used to show Caylee was poisoned, or to show she anaerobically decomposed in the trunk.

BRB my dog is alerting on her full bladder. That's right, she's communicating very annoyingly and effectively with me.

I think from what I have seen to this point that it goes to show the decomp. BUT then you have to factor in the computer searches for chloroform & that makes me unsure as to how the prosecution will use the info.

 

[RR0004]

here is Baez's tantrum:

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27312287/video.html

What the heck is he trying to say?

 

[strawberry]

I think from what I have seen to this point that it goes to show the decomp. BUT then you have to factor in the computer searches for chloroform & that makes me unsure as to how the prosecution will use the info.

Exactly! That's what is so confusing!!

 

[LyndyLoo]

What I've gathered from these hearings is that Judge Perry is the most patient judge I have ever seen --bar none! These hearings have also confirmed my prior belief that JB is not competent to try this case--no snark-he just isn't competent. Even when Judge Perry was schooling him on the stipulation and made a comment to the effect that one could think that the stipulation was being used by an attorney to ambush the other (clearly meaning JB as the ambusher) JB agreed -but in the sense that JA was the ambusher. Just an embarrassment to the legal profession.

I agree regarding JB..and IF it wasnt for ms. Fennille?? sorry bout spelling..I am sure JB would have been found in contempt..He was getting so argumentative, and abusive with this judge..Judge perry's right eye was drooping..I thought he was having a stroke??!!! He (JB)has been far too patient with JB...and he says, then deny's, he signs off, then claims bad faith..He is one guy who really shouldnt be practicing law, let alone a case of this magnatude!!..Andrea Lyons, LKB and a whole host of others who have lept off his ship of fools ( sorry) to quote a book title :crazy:

 

[RR0004]

I asked this in the other thread; will the super high chloroform be used to show Caylee was poisoned, or to show she anaerobically decomposed in the trunk.

BRB my dog is alerting on her full bladder. That's right, she's communicating very annoyingly and effectively with me.

From what I heard on the radio, it could go to a couple of theories...but it was my impression that a level that high was above and beyond normal decomp...IOW...chloroform was directly related to her death.