2011.05.31 Sidebar Thread

[watergirl]

This story reminds me of that old movie 'The Bad See'. That evil kid that kills anyone in her way and her mother loves her so much but finally realizes she is a bad seed and is killing people and has no remorse. Everything is about the evil kid. Her mother is so tortured as she begins to realize that the kid is evil and that she needs to do away with her and kill herself too. The only scary thing is at the end, everyone is dead except the evil bad seed kid! I hope that doesn't happen in this case.

a fellow WSer has the girl's pic as her avatar but I cant remember who it is. perfect analogy.

 

[milliac]

I have to say thanks for the updates. I watched this morning up until the end of the 2nd 911 call then had to leave. I am only able to listen to the audio at work, and got to hear the jailhouse call. I can't wait to get home to see the video of this.

This call was what convinced me of her guilt. It is very damaging to ICA. The other is one of the jailhouse meetings with her parents. She is pretend crying and then her parents tell her they are going to go when there is 1 minute left, almost instantly she turns off the tears and looks into the monitor checking out her hair. That was a glimpse of true evil, which I am seeing more and more through this trial. I so wanted to believe she couldn't do this to her sweet girl. It is almost inconceivable. I am sure the jurors started off feeling this way, but now they have turned the corner to see the ugly truth.

I have not really jumped on the bashing of her parents. I kind of backed off from reading here for this reason. I always had great empathy for them. I am glad to see many of you have forgiven them for what they did.

 

[Oakley]

After listening to these 911 calls for nearly 3 years....we have wracked our brains trying to find any tidbits of truth in them, we now know Caylee was dead the entire time....all of the searchers/LE/media/Attys/people in the general public/ and WS'rs who wanted to help this family find this litle girl......all of it confirmed Lies! The emotion in CA, scared/frantic grandmother reporting this missing child a month later....kc is stoic... cannyot muster any emotion for this child...cannot feel for this baby girl.....it is not in KC to see the world through her child's eyes......she is not connected to any emotional grief none whatsoever. I am flabberghasted (sic?) just a loss for words.......so sickeningly tragic that we all have more of an emotional connection to this child (we have never met and only got to experience by video/photos before she died) than her own Mother KC! I need to step away......feeling quite ill.

:hug: BBM That is our natural reaction when exposed to evil. Take some time for yourself. I went through that last week. You'll be fine, wenwe4.

 

[Moggie]

This story reminds me of that old movie 'The Bad See'. That evil kid that kills anyone in her way and her mother loves her so much but finally realizes she is a bad seed and is killing people and has no remorse. Everything is about the evil kid. Her mother is so tortured as she begins to realize that the kid is evil and that she needs to do away with her and kill herself too. The only scary thing is at the end, everyone is dead except the evil bad seed kid! I hope that doesn't happen in this case.

It does seem evil kids never seem to be held accountable. Just finished watching Mildred Pierce and that relationship also reminds me of Cindy and Casey.

 

[mikeysmommom]

He will do anything for a mistrial now ANYTHING! JMO

judge will do anything to prevent it.

 

[Intermezzo]

Well what the jury will be left with after all of the lies are brought into the record, is that Casey right down to the end told one further lie to get herself out of this. That is her lies Baez's opening statement about the molestation.

Baez cannot begin to prove anything he said. Casey is no longer going to be believed. So even Casey taking the stand will be doubted because of the lies and lies and more lies that turned into a fictional tale of her entire life with fake friends, fake emails, fake jobs.... And the jury is not going to like being lied to and may be more harsh if they attempt this. Baez totally took the wrong turn in this case. But did we ever doubt he would?

The State has proven through very powerful witnesses with more to come about the life of lies. I don't know how Casey got away with it so long. I mean how do you live your life with no truth? How do you love is your life is all one big fictional tale? I think Tony found out that answer.

bbm
so true....and .IMO Casey is not done with piling on some more lies...
I agree..Casey,Baez and Mason took the wrong turn..they should have just stopped at an accidental drowning

 

[logicalgirl]

:tyou: OneLostGrl

Yes. I totally agree. I don't want to sweep away part of the truth of what happened to Caylee. I feel that is part of the truth. I was never here to speak harshly or any other way about anyone.

I was here because there was a missing two and a half year old girl, and her mother and her grandparents according to Tim Miler and LE were not co operating in that investigation.

Cindy did not co operate with the investigation to find Caylee. IMHO.

But again, people are being wonderful with their tenderheartedness. I am obviously much more cynical. :bow:

I always like to remind myself that we are here anonymously - no one knows who we are or the real truth about our lives, and we have taken little Caylee into our hearts and held her close. It's been easy to do, while our real time lives are not held up in judgement.

But CA, GA and LA are real people with very real lives - this is happening to them and the world is scrutinizing everything - every minute thing they do and pre-scripting the reasons why. But it is happening to them, this tragedy is ruining their lives. This is their real time we are watching.

It's actually pretty interesting to watch - I predict there will be many psychological studies done on "bloggers" in the near future. The how, where, why and what of it all. :waitasec:

 

[costalpilot]

Nope!!!!!!
Look at that home not one thing out of place CA never ever left that ladder up.
She did everything by the book... everything had a set pattern...JMO

i'm not talking about the truth

i'm talking about my worry that Cindy will still not be able to withstand the opportunity to help ICA

even after all this

I'm glad no one else is worried.

 

[Intermezzo]

when JB asks

anyone think that

Cindy might say

"well, I guess I might have left the ladder up"?

anyone worried about that?

Yes, I am.
Baez may confuse Cindy and she may doubt what happened.

 

[gitana1]

I can't figure out what Baez can cross her on. He can't bring up the abuse at this time. I think he might just let her go.

He won't let her go! This will be painful.

Quoting hoping that gitana sees this. She's been so worried about this juror.

I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me tell ya', she posed a HUGE risk to me but the fact that she is reacting this way alleviates my concerns totally! Because the risk to me is that she will not understand certain things and will go off her feelings and impressions about people. Well, apparently that call was enough to remove any impressions she may have been able to form based on the "sweet, innocent looking girl" sitting at the defense table. I am ecstatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really think Condy's actions up until 6 weeks ago were all motivated by the fact that she still held out hope that this was all a lie and Caylee was still alive- they said so in 2009 at GA, LA and CA's depositions (even after the memorial/remains being found). I do not fault her for holding on to that sliver of hope even if it meant she seemed evil to other people in the case.
What is crucial is that she now knows the truth and she is doing what is right. It it excruciatingly painful to watch her go through this knowing this is the first time she is reliving this nightmare with the knowledge that Caylee is really gone and her daughter had something to do with it.

It is painful watching Cindy leaving her denial behind and realizing the horrible reality.

Was just going back through the tweets from during the 911 calls and Amanda from WESH said that CA was in the bathroom during the recess and everyone in the hallway could hear her sobbing.

Pray they have some very strong meds for her to take when she gets home today. That woman desperately needs and deserves a long peaceful nap and she'll never get to it on her own.

I have always said CAs denial was what was driving the abhorrent behavior we've been seeing these past 3 years - now the last facade of it is crumbling in public. She now knows that everything she believed really was a lie and has had to actively admit it to herself and the world - and bearing witness to this is somehow very humbling.

May He forgive me for being human and heaping judgement on this woman.

Boy, reading all of this and watching her testimony for the last couple of days, I agree. May God forgive me! Because her actions were so baffling to me, I judged her totally as being a borderline personality disordered person who likely raised her daughter with damaging and conflicting messages - she is a princess, she is a bad girl - now I'm thinking I did misjudge her!

Initially, I sympathized very much with her. I held out for a long time, thinking she was just in hideous denial due to her refusal to believe the worst about her granddaughter and daughter. The depos were what really sent me over the edge. I thought she was more than just a person who spoiled, enabled and catered to her daughter.

I don't so much anymore. After watching her for these last couple of days, I guess it is possible to be in such denial, one just loses their mind.

casey is a sociopath and the family was cowed by her. That's my latest analysis! No emotional abuse of her except extreme spoiling.

 

[Pink Panther]

What time are they due back?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nope!!!!!!
Look at that home not one thing out of place CA never ever left that ladder up.
She did everything by the book... everything had a set pattern...JMO

The ladder and Cindy's personal knowledge that she NEVER left it down is what proves to her that Casey is lying about everything. Without the ladder fairytale Cindy may have STILL believed Casey about the sexual abuse.

 

[magic-cat]

when JB asks

anyone think that

Cindy might say

"well, I guess I might have left the ladder up"?

anyone worried about that?

I do not fear it at all. Cindy's home is and was meticulous. Her autos? Meticulous. Her yard? Meticulous. She is a finatic about certain things, obviously, and finatics do not forget details like leaving the pool ladder up, especially since she had Caylee, whom she was more finatic over than just about anything else.

 

[shezcrafti]

She knows the truth now--and now is the only thing that matters. Whatever words or actions she put out to the public previously, at least for me, is forgotten and forgiven.

ITA with this. I think a lot of folks around here now feel the same way toward CA, despite how angry we have been in the past.

 

[Intermezzo]

In her mind, Fusion, Target, Ikea, Blockbuster, and TL's apartment counted as other resources...:loser:

add to that
Downtown Orlando night clubs
4th of July at Will Waters homes with a short excursion to Lake Eola for fireworks

 

[mikeysmommom]

I have to say thanks for the updates. I watched this morning up until the end of the 2nd 911 call then had to leave. I am only able to listen to the audio at work, and got to hear the jailhouse call. I can't wait to get home to see the video of this.

This call was what convinced me of her guilt. It is very damaging to ICA. The other is one of the jailhouse meetings with her parents. She is pretend crying and then her parents tell her they are going to go when there is 1 minute left, almost instantly she turns off the tears and looks into the monitor checking out her hair. That was a glimpse of true evil, which I am seeing more and more through this trial. I so wanted to believe she couldn't do this to her sweet girl. It is almost inconceivable. I am sure the jurors started off feeling this way, but now they have turned the corner to see the ugly truth.

I have not really jumped on the bashing of her parents. I kind of backed off from reading here for this reason. I always had great empathy for them. I am glad to see many of you have forgiven them for what they did.

I also backed off after the bashing, I would have been banned if I stayed.:innocent:

 

[QueenD]

Oh then call her right now.

I wish I could call my mom, she passed away last month.

Me too. Mine in 2007.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[Chiquita71]

I loved hearing in that call from jail to the Anthony house, from ICA: Lee say how he is not playing Casey's games anymore. He ends up giving the phone to Christina. Lee tells Casey we are going to figure it out anyway...and that he is not going to let her do to him what she has been doing to: LE, Mom and Dad, friends family.

:twocents:

 

[magic-cat]

What time are they due back?

1:30...counting down now. lol

 

[concentric]

I wanna know what kind of mascara ICA is wearing...she's got it on thick and it never runs down her cheeks when she cries. Oops...is she really crying?

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Anyone else notice that the folding of the tissue and wiping with the edge occurs with the false crying? To me, this shows contrivance.

When ICA is angry, and feeling sorry for herself, there are spontaneous tears and the tissue is probably crumpled in her hands. There is no planned folding of the tissue/dabbing with the the edge.