2011.06.03 Geraldo Rivera's statement on Fox & Friends

[RANCH]

I saw it yesterday and it disturbed me then and it disturbs me now. She's a lawyer and I'm not and I don't like that loophole. :snooty:

And because AZ said it and I trust her knowledge of the law completely, it's bugging the heck out of me.

I know what you mean. Is it a loophole or is it everyone's right? I don't know.All I know is you shouldn't get worried about what Geraldo has to say. It's all about soundbites and headlines for him.

 

[gmt]

Most appeals only work if it is something that effects or changes the evidence, I believe.

 

[Ricki]

Gloria Allred says miranda issue is serious.
I am wondering here if JB shows KC only positive things said about her and her defense and keeps the negative things out of her reach. We all saw how JB acts when someone says something negative about him during the tapes that were played.

 

[panthera]

During the discussion about the Miranda Rights Geraldo and Dershowitz say that it was OBVIOUs that she was the only suspect while being interrogated at Universal.

But I disagree. They also, even AFTER they grilled her hard, asked her if Zanny was able to have children, if she had expressed wanting to keep Caylee herself, and they also asked who the birthfather was, and wanted to know if his parents had wanted the child. So I think there is evidence that they were open to many possible scenarios still.

Besides, HHJP, a very well respected, well educated and highly experienced trial Judge
had a hearing on this exact issue. He was very thorough in his questions and in his verdict and written decision. So I think we are safe. imoo

They were also asking her for some contact information for ZFG.......Casey told them she'd sent e-mails to ZFG that didn't go through, IM, and such. Detectives then talked with Casey about retrieving information from her computer and cell phone. So clearly, they weren't only focused on Casey but trying to glean information about ZFG. LE looked at her as the mother of a missing child. However, it's Casey's continual lies during the interview that were her downfall. In other words, she made herself a suspect.

MOO

 

[gmt]

Ok Now I'v been scared twice tonight.

 

[Moe]

I can't believe I watched Geraldo...no one on that show pointed out that at the time everyone thought it was a missing child case, not a murder. I'm calling BS on this entire theory.

 

[i.b.nora]

Well, she wasn't in a police car at the time. She was in the offices of Universal or wherever it was that she told her parents, her friends, and the police that she worked!

She led the police to that facility. She wasn't being held there against her will. With the permission of the Universal folks, they slipped into what seemed to be a small office or conference room to talk further.

There was nothing in any of the recording that I heard that indicated she was being held against her will. She could of left. Of course she would have needed someone to give her a ride home, which I imagine the police would have done.

 

[gmt]

I missed a whole lot today, but can someone tell me if there were or were not prints on the gas can, and if not what do you think happened?

 

[Pink Panther]

During the discussion about the Miranda Rights Geraldo and Dershowitz say that it was OBVIOUs that she was the only suspect while being interrogated at Universal.

But I disagree. They also, even AFTER they grilled her hard, asked her if Zanny was able to have children, if she had expressed wanting to keep Caylee herself, and they also asked who the birthfather was, and wanted to know if his parents had wanted the child. So I think there is evidence that they were open to many possible scenarios still.

Besides, HHJP, a very well respected, well educated and highly experienced trial Judge
had a hearing on this exact issue. He was very thorough in his questions and in his verdict and written decision. So I think we are safe. imoo

Of course they did Katy! The only doubt that exists is in the Defence's obliged creation of doubt. Let's hope that they keep trying. That's all there is left to ensure a fair trial.

moo

A fair trial means that when she is found guilty she will have little or no means for appeal. JP knows this and exceeds expectations in this regard.

moo

 

[RANCH]

They were also asking her for some contact information for ZFG.......Casey told them she'd sent e-mails to ZFG that didn't go through, IM, and such. Detectives then talked with Casey about retrieving information from her computer and cell phone. So clearly, they weren't only focused on Casey but trying to glean information about ZFG. LE looked at her as the mother of a missing child. However, it's Casey's continual lies during the interview that were her downfall. In other words, she made herself a suspect.

MOO

Your exactly right. They also had ICA look at DAVID DL photos AFTER she left the Universal building. So ZFG was still a suspect at that time. Probably not a strong suspect, but still a suspect.
ETA. These talking heads on tv either don't know the facts or don't care!

 

[MissJames]

I just listened and Yuri states that the door is unlocked not that she is free to leave. Sorry it's just the way Azlawyer said.

He says the door is not locked,just closed for privacy. It would be inferred that she could leave.Why else would he point that out :waitasec:

I guess we'll all find out together when we get a ruling on the appeal.We know it's coming.

 

[Pink Panther]

I can't believe I watched Geraldo...no one on that show pointed out that at the time everyone thought it was a missing child case, not a murder. I'm calling BS on this entire theory.

Find it within yourself to STOP watching Geraldo. I did. About 7-8 years ago and I have felt much better ever since...

arar

moo

 

[Ricki]

I missed a whole lot today, but can someone tell me if there were or were not prints on the gas can, and if not what do you think happened?

I donjt know if that was determined, but JB kept asking witness if it had looked like the can had been wiped down and about a drip on the can, Witness said the drip was a stain , from an old gas drip if I recall correctly.

 

[ziggy]

Alan Dershowitz is SO twenty years ago...(must be jonesing for some airtime)

IMO the "in custody" question for whether or not her statements should have been ruled inadmissible because of Miranda violation is a close call...obviously it can be argued either way and Judge Perry made his ruling that they would be allowed. So here's the deal; the appellate court will review this case to see if Casey got a fair trial trial and they are not about to go reversing a decision based on a close call. Of course it's possible but I highly doubt that it will ever happen - it just gives Jerry Rivers something more to sensationalize. He needs controversy to get viewers.

We will never know, but I'd bet that even if they had Mirandized Casey she would have continued to lie.

Dr. Keith Ablow (sp?) was also on saying she was "highly suggestable". BS!!!! Everyone was trying to suggest this or that and Casey was not budging from her story. She is NOT highly suggestable...if that were so the detectives would have gotten a confession. He also said it's possible she was both a murderer and a sexual abuse victim. Well that's safe to say, but I say it's also possible she is not a sexual abuse victim and is just a lying sociopath. Bam.

So don't let your blood boil on this one. The appellate process is slow and JB is not an appellate attorney so he's going to stride off into the sunset with his Hollywood attitude and his cool shades and leave Casey twisting in the wind. This is much ado about nothing.

 

[Mohabi]

Find it within yourself to STOP watching Geraldo. I did. About 7-8 years ago and I have felt much better ever since...

arar

moo

I stopped watching him after his Al Capone fiasco. Back then I must have been out of my mind because I thought he was "good looking". Sheesh.... It seems he gets greasier and greasier each day....

 

[Hamsterdance]

During the discussion about the Miranda Rights Geraldo and Dershowitz say that it was OBVIOUs that she was the only suspect while being interrogated at Universal.

But I disagree. They also, even AFTER they grilled her hard, asked her if Zanny was able to have children, if she had expressed wanting to keep Caylee herself, and they also asked who the birthfather was, and wanted to know if his parents had wanted the child. So I think there is evidence that they were open to many possible scenarios still.

Besides, HHJP, a very well respected, well educated and highly experienced trial Judge
had a hearing on this exact issue. He was very thorough in his questions and in his verdict and written decision. So I think we are safe. imoo

IMO, it's "All about ratings" for GR. That's all.
BBM I agree. If HHJP rules it ok, then I feel safe too.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Casey was the mother of a missing child... LE didn't know what the hay was going on other than this "mother" was giving them false information. Was she simply keeping the child from her parents? Was the child sold? Did the child die from an accident. Was the child murdered. They didn't know what to do at that point and I feel once they showed her images of ZFG and she said she recognized none of them... they had no choice but to arrest her for the lying to LE and the child neglect. Not reporting your child missing, imo, is child neglect.

 

[Marina2]

I agree with you Kimster. But AZlawyer has an issue with the universal interview. Apparently it must be the wording "The door is unlocked but closed for privacy" verses " You are free to go".See post #69 on this thread.

Apparently, it doesn't matter that they didn't say "You are free to go." It's all about what a reasonable person would understand in that situation.

From the order:
"While it is true that the detectives shut the door, they informed her that this was for privacy, not for confinement. A reasonable person would certainly prefer this discussion with police, which included the embarrassing details of the Defendant's lies, to take place away from the prying eyes of the public. A reasonable person would also understand that the detective's indication that the door was unlocked to mean that she was free to leave the room and terminate the interview."

 

[RANCH]

Apparently, it doesn't matter that they didn't say "You are free to go." It's all about what a reasonable person would understand in that situation.

From the order:
"While it is true that the detectives shut the door, they informed her that this was for privacy, not for confinement. A reasonable person would certainly prefer this discussion with police, which included the embarrassing details of the Defendant's lies, to take place away from the prying eyes of the public. A reasonable person would also understand that the detective's indication that the door was unlocked to mean that she was free to leave the room and terminate the interview."

You're completely correct. HHJP let the Universal interview in and the jury has already heard it.What is in question now is any appellate issues.

 

[Marina2]

You're completely correct. HHJP let the Universal interview in and the jury has already heard it.What is in question now is any appellate issues.

I understand that the question now is any appellate issue that arises. The song remains the same though. The appellate court will use the same controlling authority that HHJBP used in making the decision to allow this interview in. They will evaluate whether she was in custody using the same four-prong test set out in Ramirez v State. I trust they'll intepret it the way that HHJBP did and not overturn the conviction. If it becomes an error, I don't think for a minute it will be a reversable error. She didn't make any admissions/statements in the Universal interview that she hadn't made previously.