2011.06.18 TRIAL Day Twenty-two (Morning Session Only)

[STEADFAST]

Yeah sure but she still would have been dead/murdered before she decomposed.

Yeah, but there's that whole thing Baez said in his opening about Kronk moving the body and then putting it back. I have no earthly clue what that all about. I'm just saying that the DT's narrative about what happened involves someone moving the body after it was placed at the same site where it was found. So it's important for them for the brain to have decomposed with the skull in a different position than it was found in. :dunno:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

OMG - someone took the skull away and applied the tape and then brought it back....This is a massacre.

Understatement of the year.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

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One juror is laughing at Dr. Spitz's theory about someone putting duct tape on the skull

Thank God.

 

[Donjeta]

Why was the hair the only thing stuck to the tape?

I'm not sure the term is applicable, the stickiness went through the entire ordeal, heat, water.

Do you remember that the pathologist needed to cut the hair?

Yes, some of the hair may have needed to be cut and some not.

 

[Softail]

:thud:

WS - Heat and water would remove the stickiness of the tape.

 

[wenwe4]

Dr. Spitz showing handkerchief over skull hair area....hair is matted and is tell me there is water ...maybe water washed around it...and spashed bone to the hair...the liquified skin was glued to the bone....water displaced hair but not the residue? don't know if that happend but could hve happened and seems quite likely because there is no hair on base of the skull....now there is hair on base of skull....how did that hair get there? hair can't get there by sloughing off the skull? adipocere sticky....

did you look @ this hair - do you know it is sticky? saw pictures...I know it is sticky have seen it before....decomp finishes dries up and adipocere still there - sticks hair to bone...photo does not support the theory you have theorized ...hair is not slid to side...this is to be expected...areas submerged at times....totally consistent with it..


lets proceed to other duct tape....applied after fully skeletonized after skin deteriorated....after skin was decomp....thru process of adipocere...you see it looking @ you and me....not handled much @ scene...object to narrative....finish answer question asked..

how did this person do this ...apply ducttape on the skull? took a piece of duct tape in a roll - tore off number sections and stuck them on skull to possbily do what he did...show it with strings attached to lower jaw the rest of the face...

first level...skull and body decomposed @ location found on left side....person came over and pick up the skull from the ground? don't know duct tape applied skull on ground or elevated...fairly good forensic pathologist but cant say....if it was on it's side person would pick up to place duct tape on the sides....don't know...mandible and skull not connected when moved around...soft tissues hold skull to lower jaw are gone....pick up skull - lower jaw fell down...pick up skull and mandible....hasn't duct tape yet...need to place mandible back in anatomical position of the skulll....possibly don't know how well it was attached...in pic see here no mandible here....in reports mandilbe found in original anatomical position...

pick up jaw, put back in anatomical position, placed ducttape on both sides...picture don't show it on both sides...if you hve picture show duct tape on both sides ok....if your purpose ...

if you are trying to attach mandible to the skull have to do it on both sides...depends on how long duct tape is...he remembers it on one side....otherside doesn't remember..

your purpose to connect jaw to skull if want better bond....do it on both sides..know there are 3 pieces ducttape why take 3 pieces to stick mandible to skull...2 pieces duct tape superimopsed one over the other...pieces not terribly long may not reach both sides - extended to both sides....each piece 6 to 8 inches long 3 pieces..a 4th piece feet away....

each piece duct tape put mandible back on the face...no glue on skull - no residue of ducttape on skin - ducttape on bone....this is bone not skin....bone why different bone more solid and dense than skin...if not any residue on skin why would there be residue on bone....duct tape not actually stuck to the bone when found...why isn't it stuck to bone? water introdcution - remove stickiness of glue...person removed skull attached mandible put 3 pieces of duct tape and set it back where it was....or take it with put duct tape and bring back...why is hair only thing stuck to tape/ hair would stick to tape...hair stuck...how could hair be stuck to tape if hair decomposes ...

not sure tape was really still in condition that is sticky...

 

[mck16]

Does anyone else think he is contradicting himself as he goes along. jmo

 

[Chiquita71]

You said the hair was stuck to the tape before it was put on the skull.

now he is not sure. he is speaking of the tape and its stickyness. the um...the tape, the um...the stickyness...heat water that takes away some of the stickyness...

JA: do you recall from the autopsy report do you recall the tape had to be cut out of the hair.

yes, some you had to cut and some she did not need to cut.

WTF?

 

[passionflower]

DH is watching with me today and says that no reasonable person would buy the explanation that the duct tape was placed on the skull after decomposition of soft tissue. No way!

My husband said the same thing. He was in VietNam and saw allot of decomposing bodies and no way . Body would have to be completely skeletonized and dry, removed from all bags etc.
PLEEESE, DR S give up your theory!!

 

[chefmom]

I think JA has him on this argument about the sticky part of the tape not being stuck to the skull if applied later. Anyone who has used duct tape will see this reasoning. JMO.

 

[fla*mom]

Why isnt DT objecting to some of this?

I think they are sitting back eyes bugged out just like us.

 

[grandmaj]

LOL trying to say someone took the skull home and then brought it back. OMG

 

[SuziQ]

I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad for this Dr at all. And Jeff doesn't need to be gentle.

Spitz is not a newbie to this stuff, he's testified as an expert in high profile cases before. IMO, he doesn't get a free pass or handled with kid gloves because he's been on this earth for 85 years. He agreed to testify in this case - - Ashton is trying to get justice for a murdered three year old little girl. With all due respect, that's more important than Dr Spitz's hurt feelings.

My opinions...

BBM. Thank you.

 

[reeseeva]

Please, Please let Jeff go with this until 1 p.m.......

 

[mamatimeless]

Oh good night .. this is getting more painful by the second !!!

 

[logicalgirl]

I really really wish the camera would show HHJP's face right now.

 

[Studio_Medic]

oh my... pretty soon aliens will have applied the tape!

:ufo:

 

[Nali87]

Let me this straight: Someone wanted to keep the jaw in place but didn't think the rest of the body would decompose and fall apart!? Insulting my intelligence..

 

[countzero]

Oh Holy Carp, Dr just said "she" may or she may not have needed to cut the tape"...... THE END.

 

[21merc7]

Okay, now ME put the hair the way it is for the photo