2011.06.22 TRIAL Day Twenty-five (Morning Session)

[Serjen]

I think it is his way to connect with the jury. I am in the pharmaceutical industry and I can tell you these words are not easy to pronoucne. I am sure many on the jury can't pronounce it either and it's JB's way of saying "see, I am just like you". One of the things I give JB credit for is, he is (or trys to be) very charming.

You call it charming, I call it smarmy. :crazy:

 

[wenwe4]

JB w/Madeline Montgomery - forensic toxicologist w/FBI lab in Quantico - 15 yrs...bach science chemistry, grad level courses in forensic chem & toxicology...received train by FBI and instrument venders...contin ed .....forensic chemistry very broad subject from arson testing to explosive residue test....forensic toxicology look @ blood, urine, hair, brain .....equipment that not all LE has....we support FBI investigations all across US...published articles between 10-20 peer reviewed published ....active member of multiple forensic toxicology professional groups.

scientific working groups for toxicology....try to gather all quality assurance ....ie: all testers for DUIs....testified for State, Fed and Military court - expert witness for forensic toxicology & chemistry.....report of 3/13/09 -

received items to test - hair sample to test...hair mass Q-59 from Caylee...stipulation between prosecution and defense - item in evidence....SA #271 .... instruments use

hair is biologically complex...chemicals in the hair itself...incorporated as it grows....liquid nitrogen - cold/brittle breaks into dust.....purification solvent - further purifcation....compare with known samples....liquid chromotograph mass spectrometer...test for alprazolam - Xanex .....clonasapam - Klonipin.....benzodiazapenes - help calm them down or help sleep....testing done for the drug in hair sample was negative.....

look for a drug.....9 other drugs method superior to method we were using....timing worked out include 8 benzodiazpense - valium, roofies, series of other ones - chemicals for what breaks down....ketamine used in club scene for hallucinagenic .....results were all negative......new technique even more sensitive that normal use....10X more sensitive....no other drugs tested for......

in this report concerned didn't test any other items.....can't testify to anything outside of tests you do....can't guess how much use required before this drug will show up in hair...how much exposure .....hair test after limited exposure ...even if someone given a known amount of a drug - doesn't always show up in their hair ....can't say if 1 time or 20 times when it will show up in hair....no .....all can say did test and came back negative...correct

cross JA- in summary the negative result is forensic meaningless...doesn't mean the person has never been given the drug or not.....it doesn't answer the question ....it doesn't give you chronic use of drugs? if you look @ length of hair - chronic user of certain drug....in this case had to look @ hair in bulk as one sample....if use was done closely to time of death wouldn't be able to tell....no......can it tell if this child drown? I have no other expertise in that area...

JB - what other meaningless work is done in your lab?
I don't feel work is meaningless!

do you have knowledge if work done by another scientist (object X3 - sustain X2)

reason test is to search for evidence - we test to search for evidence'

witness excused

 

[ella971]

what?? did he really just ask her what other types of meaningless work she did???

I could not believe he said that.Wow.

 

[ConstableCruller]

"Your Honor, this is another expert witness who is..."

"Sustained."

 

[Macushla]

I do not see how this witness helped the defense theory at all!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Bye, Madelyn. I liked you.

 

[laserdisc10]

Far OUT !

Baez: ' And what other kind of meaningless work do you do ...

Witness: ' I don't feel any of my work is meaningless '

I don't believe it. Heard it but will have to get my ears checked because it cannot be happening !

 

[dunlurken]

I'm watching the trial on WFTV and following along on their blog. Someone asked if the jurors know who the alternates are and the moderator said "No". Now I'm wondering what that meant?

I'm under the impression there are 12 jurors and 6 alternates so a total of 18. Is this moderator saying that no one knows who the final 12 jurors are at this point?

I'm almost hoping this is the case because I worry about #4, as many of our WSers do. Hoping I am making myself clear. TIA

IMO, no one knows who are alternates (amongst the jurors) and who isn't an alternate. If they did, the alternates may not pay as much attention.

I could be wrong.

 

[azscr4mbl3r]

Meh...all JA has to do with respect to any hair evidence she gives is ask her how long chemicals can be detected in hair.

Done.

I am shocked as everyone that JB is yet again barking up the wrong tree. Coyote pun not intended. Reinforcing YET AGAIN ICA's culpability....

 

[jamiect]

#CaseyAnthony Multiple jurors taking note of both sides making points on this testimony.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:36 AM

 

[barrysgirl]

Oh dear God, it's CM

 

[ohiogirl]

He was trying to insinuate that JA thought it was meaningless. Fail.

 

[logicalgirl]

Witness excused. Now.....Mr. Baez.....do I get my shower nor not. Oh Oh, Mr. Mason at the podium...

 

[Kentjbkent]

JB "what other meaningless work do you do at the FBI?" ha ha....

Actually a very good question from JB.

Jose just pissed the jurors off yet again

 

[scotslass]

what?? did he really just ask her what other types of meaningless work she did???

To be fair that was in response to JA saying her neg test results were meaningless. Smack me now i'm starting to understand JB speak..

 

[Amster]

Oh dear....CM is up....

 

[ami]

Twitter: #
#CaseyAnthony Multiple jurors taking note of both sides making points on this testimony.
by bobkealing via twitter at 9:36 AM


Can someone tell me what points "both sides" made? Eek, were we listening to diff testimony?

 

[zoomom]

OMFG!!!! "meaningless work?" Is he begging for a conviction???????????

 

[cityslick]

But he has already stated that Caylee died and that the body found was Caylee. If he loses this case, it's going to be because of that huge unexplained gap in his theory. Caylee drowned but Roy Kronk somehow "found her body somewhere" and put her there. If he had gone with Caylee drowned - Casey panicked and got rid of Caylee's body it could've instill some reasonable doubt. He's trying to distance Casey from the dumping ground without offering a credible explanation as to how Caylee got there. (If Roy Kronk find the body, where did he find it? Did Casey/George leave her outside with the garbage? Put her against the meter?)

No credible defense what so ever.

I don't disagree with you, which is why I don't think he thought things out when he did his opening statement. He wanted to put out a 'bombshell' moment but yet nothing to back it up with. The only thing is opening statements are not evidence, so the jury cannot 'consider' what if Caylee drowned if there is no evidence to support it. Their main task is if the prosecution has proved their case that ICA killed her child. Not if the defense has proved theirs.

I guess my point is the jury needs to decide if she died the way the prosecution says she did. If they don't think so (either haven't proved it or don't believe it), then she's not guilty, regardless of what the real truth may be (whether it be drowning, kidnapping, etc). JB screwed up because if you put an alternate theory out there but yet don't prove in any way that theory, then the jury only has the prosecutions version of events to consider.

 

[coloradoteacher]

OOh CM is up!