2011.06.23 Cindy's Testimony

[jschaudt]

Good catch!! And I mean the double entendre lol!! :rocker:

And thank you. I just got released by the moderator to speak. Mendz at least has the link to help out here.

I can tell that LDB separated her questions. She was confirming that Cindy was not committing perjury. She asked the questions "as if" it was a bombshell. Sounds good for defense, but you can't always show your hand. Cindy was asked about the stain and answered only for the one she knew of. The Pros can use the old stain vs. new stain against ICA.

The deposition was for Chlorophyll and the misspelling of Chloroform. Confirmed by LDB (silently). She NEVER ONCE said March 21st. That's smart. Did you search for "how to make chloroform?" and all the others were confirmation that Cindy didn't lie. Even Joy Behar is still going on how Cindy changed her story. She did not change it. Someone tell the news reporter to leave the Family Lawyer alone. Even he keeps saying that. He isn't lying.

 

[gitana1]

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But just because it's not usually done doesn't mean the state can't recall her again - right? I mean they've had several witnesses on many times. I don't think the jury would find it odd to once again see Cindy on the stand after seeing so many witnesses come and go multiple times.

Also, she very likely was blindsided (LDB). Now that she's had the chance to think and refresh her memory re: depositions and time lines and computer searches, etc., she'll be much more prepared to ask Cindy the most relevant details.

So whether it's commonly done or not, the jurors certainly won't know the difference and what would the harm be in calling her back to tie up the dangling loose ends? I can see several chances for gain and very few for loss at this point.

Especially since Cindy is a poor liar.

Well, I suppose they can recall her but they would not be able to cross examine her or ask her what would be deemed "leading" questions in direct, but what would be fine in cross. That limits the state somewhat in controlling the message they want the jury to receive, or to outlining the inconsistencies in CA's testimony. They have to ask her more open-ended questions during rebuttal, which would be direct testimony and it gives CA more leeway to just go off in a crazy, histrionic lying tangent.

Gitana,
re: the 84 searches stuff:

R. Hornsby said that 17 march (or the other computer search day) was day 84 in the calendar year and that the computer program could have been annotating that vs the number of times it was actually searched...

he further said, iirc, that they have an expert that could be talking about this or that Jose is onto this track?

hope that helps

Thanks!!

I have never been comfortable with the idea of ICA searching for menengial bleeding, ruptured spleen, internal bleeding and some of the other terms. That has always sounded like CA to me. That and the fact that no bottle or container that had contained chloroform was found nor a rag or something to administer it. Although I think ICA is guilty of murder and it involved duct tape and that it was pre meditated, I just have some problems with the chloroform. I know that high levels were found in the trunk but I sure wish there was more to go on to connect it.

I can easily see casey searching these terms. That's because if she was looking up ways to act like she had to defend against an intruder who killed or took Caylee, then sites might reference terms she doesn't understand like "ruptured spleen" and thus she would have to look those terms up. I would expect a nurse's searches to actually be more specific like "protocals for treatment of ruptured spleen" or "recovery time for ruptured spleen", etc.

We're having quite a good discussion on the Anthony computer forensics thread... One problem with that is that march 24th is the 84th day of 2008

BBM. Thank you much for this!!! People were saying that the state had intentionally mislead us with the reference to 84 searches. I was confused by that but I guess this proves that is not the case!

 

[mydailyopinions]

Good catch!! And I mean the double entendre lol!! :rocker:

It makes no sense to me. Why say she searched for chloroform but not for how to make chloroform? Why say she saw a pop up that might have talked about skateboarding at 'break neck speeds" but then deny looking up hand to hand combat or any of the other searches? My thought was that Cindy did the searches on the 17th and Casey did the searches on the 21st, but that does not appear to be what happened. I just don't get the purpose of lying about making half the searches while leave the worst half out there to be used against Casey.

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2011/0224/26984466.pdf
Because according to these documents - you have to scroll to the 17th date and the 21st date, It is on record that Cindy was working on the 17th, but George was not. Did Cindy say these things to help George at this point? Records for the 21st show he was at work.... Maybe I should sit back and rethink what happened today..:waitasec:

 

[Quiche]

It makes no sense to me. Why say she searched for chloroform but not for how to make chloroform? Why say she saw a pop up that might have talked about skateboarding at 'break neck speeds" but then deny looking up hand to hand combat or any of the other searches? My thought was that Cindy did the searches on the 17th and Casey did the searches on the 21st, but that does not appear to be what happened. I just don't get the purpose of lying about making half the searches while leave the worst half out there to be used against Casey.

Just enough to not look guilty herself... I can only help you so far, sweetheart. I can just hear it.

 

[jeepgirlva]

Since the searched happened St Patricks day does anyone know what Casey did that night it is a big party night did she go out ? Does SA have her MYspace comments from that date?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:great:

Just saw one of the reruns of LDB questioning CA on the stand ...

I believe LDB did a :great: GREAT JOB :great: ... considering the "bombshell" of LIES that she had to deal with !

:great:

 

[LambChop]

That is correct. Both George and Cindy have said there was a basketball sized stain in the trunk when they first bought the car but neither of them have EVER said it is THE stain. Actually, they've said it isn't, yet people are still accusing Cindy of lying about it.

I think CA pointed out the stain in the picture but we know the basketball sized stain was mentioned by GA in his statement to LE that he leaned into the trunk to smell it and it smelled awful, an unforgetable smell that once you smell it you never forget it. All used car trunks have stains. Few have them in the shape of a small child. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Since the searched happened St Patricks day does anyone know what Casey did that night it is a big party night did she go out ? Does SA have her MYspace comments from that date?

I think they have her text messages and I think someone asked her to go out but she said she could not. No babysitter. At least I think that is what I read. Hope someone can back me up on that. jmo

 

[grandmaj]

I am behind about 5 pages so I don't know if this has been covered. Please disregard if it has...

When asked about the stain, Cindy pointed to an area in the trunk close to marker B in the back of the trunk. The actual stain of decomposition was in the front close to marker A and the opening of the trunk..

That is right and LDB specifically pinned her down asking her so not here where the A is near the dryer sheet.

 

[Jack]

I think CA's work record is meaningless. At one point I would have filled out my time sheet just as CA described. As a means of tracking vacation, personal, and or sick time some companies require their salaried employees to complete timesheets. As a salaried employee I have been instructed in the past to always put 8 hours in for a day in which I worked any time during a day. Nothing more nothing less. I did that for many years until my company at the time began using a separate system for salaried/exempt employees that tracked exception time only.

 

[txsvicki]

I suppose Cindy could have been searching to make sure that chorophyll won't cause side effects in a dog, but how she got from a sleepy little dog eating plants to algae in seaweeds forming chloroform needs explaining. Maybe she has tried to recreate something. When I enter "is manufactured chloroform green" into google the first site that comes up is Wikipedia Chloroform with a search paragraph talking about certain seaweeds producing algae and chloroform. I tried entering several other phrases and simply chloroform to see if that comes up, and the same Wikipedia didn't show up as a result.

 

[Purple Iris]

say who the friend was because of attorney client privilege which has to rank up there with the most ridiculous and incriminating things I've ever heard as there is no legal reason to hide the identity of a friend who had an accident unless there was no friend and no accident and so the silence speaks volumes about the veracity of her testimony.

Cindy's getting her lies mixed up with her daughter's.

 

[Intermezzo]

Not to mention, if Cindy was at home for personal reasons, she would have taken vacation leave (which would have been reflected on her time card). She said she had 6 weeks of vacation time. Her time card would not have shown she was at work if she wasn't there....not even for a salaried employee. I understand she said she worked OT, but she wouldn't have had OT if she took 2 days off from work that week.

I don't ever remember reading in her depo's that she searched for chloroform...chlorophyll, yes...chloroform, no!

March 17 2008 was a Monday

Cindy said Mondays were busy at work
She would go in early and they usually had meetings on mondays and would be home later than usual

IMO she is lying about being the one to conduct those computer searches

 

[Aedrys]

I've only gotton to page 5 on this, and probably won't go any further.

I really can't see how anyone would be surprised at todays turn of events.
So she gets up on the stand the first week and lets it roll.
Once she regained her composure, she has sat silently in the back, madly taking notes with her head buried in her notebook.

I'm as disgusted as the rest of you are, don't get me wrong, but I am not surprised one bit. I wasn't ready to put my guard down on either one of them.

Now, as far as Grandma Shirley goes, let's not forget that Cindy visited her prior to her interview with LE, that everyone thought was so cute, etc. {whisking around the house looking for a lost cat, offering coffee, etc}
What I remember from Grandma Shirley's LE interview is her remark that she hoped Cindy wouldn't be angry with her for the things that she said.
You don't think that Cindy coached her mother??
There was *talk* at one time, that Cindy had gone to her mother that any talk of Casey was strickly off limits if they were going to continue a relationship.

Not meaning to anger anyone, or make light of everyone's feelings here, but I just don't see how so many were so easily duped.
Maybe my age and being cynical in regards to some things have held me back on this topic.

Burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.
Cindy is a burner, and always has been and we all have seen it first hand, over and over and over.
And, it still isn't over.

I do hope that the state is busy right now getting their ducks in a straight row for round 2.

For me, I guess I was still a bit gullible. I guess I had a need deep inside to believe that the A's had finally seen the light. I had a need to believe Casey was the only evil one of that family. I had a need to believe that Caylee wasn't a sweet lamb surrounded by vicious wolves, that she really was loved by SOMEONE in her immediate family.

I was so wrong it hurts and scares me. Caylee was doomed the moment she was conceived. Part of me is actually glad she's dead because surely she'd grow up from a sweet lamb to a vicious wolf like her immediate family. Now she will be always be innocent and pure, and no one can ever take that from her. The rest of the A's have a special room in hell just for them to burn in for eternity.

My sympathy, my compassion, and my hope for that family is gone. I will not be surprised anymore at any of their antics. I just want to see Justice done for Caylee. I have to keep faith in Justice for Caylee, or I will completely lose my mind.

I have such a bitter taste in my mouth and such sadness in my heart, and I can't seem to get rid of either of them...

 

[RSDhoping for a cure]

Does anyone know if it's possible to retrieve cell phone pings after 3 years?

 

[butwhatif?]

No suprise that Cindy lied remember she destroyed evidence by cleaning the car that smelled liked a dead body..

BBM-
I'm not being snarky, but this is something that is posted often. What evidence is there that she cleaned the car? Is there a link, or is this just speculation?
I know she said she removed some things from the car, put the dryer sheets in there, and wiped it down with her hand, but I wouldn't call that cleaning...especially for the OCD Anthonys.

On a separate note, I'm confused/curious as to why she would admit to searching for chloroform, acetone, hydrogen peroxide, but not the neck
-breaking, shovel, household weapons.

If she's trying to cover for ICA why not claim she made ALL of those searches? :waitasec:
Wonder if LA or GA will take the fall for those searches?

I might just perch myself on the fence for a while till we hear more. :fence:
JMO

 

[RSDhoping for a cure]

March 17 2008 was a Monday

Cindy said Mondays were busy at work
She would go in early and they usually had meetings on mondays and would be home later than usual

IMO she is lying about being the one to conduct those computer searches

Another thing, March 17th is also St. Patricks day. This may be a good way to refresh the memory of some co-workers.

 

[SMK]

For me, I guess I am still a bit gullible. I guess I had a need deep inside to believe that the A's had finally seen the light. I had a need to believe Casey was the only evil one of that family. I had a need to believe that Caylee wasn't a sweet lamb surrounded by vicious wolves, that she really was loved by SOMEONE in her immediate family.

I was so wrong it hurts and scares me. Caylee was doomed the moment she was conceived. Part of me is actually glad she's dead because surely she'd grow up from a sweet lamb to a vicious wolf like her immediate family. Now she will be always be innocent and pure, and no one can ever take that from her. The rest of the A's have a special room in hell just for them to burn in for eternity.

My sympathy, my compassion, and my hope for that family is gone. I will not be surprised anymore at any of their antics. I just want to see Justice done for Caylee. I have to keep faith in Justice for Caylee or I will completely lose my mind.

Yes. And I think when you look at CA and GA and review much of what has gone on at various times in the past 3 years, you have to see that Casey did not get the way she is all by herself. She was once little like Caylee, too.

 

[Desdemona]

I had heard about the one stain being there from when they bought the car, early on.

I do not believe Cindy told the truth about the stain having been there when they bought the car.

George, the obsessive car-detailer guy (who would arguably be familiar with the stain status of all the Anthony vehicles), told FBI agent Scott Bolin that the basketball-sized stain in the Pontiac was new, and he was very concerned upon discovering it when he picked up the car from the tow yard. George specifically stated that the smell of decomposition came directly from this new stain, and was distinctly different than the smell from the bag of trash. He described exactly where in the trunk he saw this new stain, and the fact that it was in a different spot than the trash bag had been sitting.

http://files.realitychatter.com/CA/Docs/George-Anthony-FBI-Interview-7878-8000.pdf
(Starting around page 73)

3 SB: So, you saw a stain in the trunk?
4 GA: Yeah. Probably about the size of a basketball maybe just a little bit... not., not
5 completely circular.

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ETA: Written before reading here that Cindy identified a different stain as pre-existing... See 27:00 mark in video posted by Melanie: http://www.wftv.com/video/28336459/index.html

 

[RSDhoping for a cure]

BBM-
On a separate note, I'm confused/curious as to why she would admit to searching for chloroform, acetone, hydrogen peroxide, but not the neck
-breaking, shovel, household weapons.

If she's trying to cover for ICA why not claim she made ALL of those searches? :waitasec:
Wonder if LA or GA will take the fall for those searches?

I might just perch myself on the fence for a while till we hear more. :fence:
JMO

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The chloroform was the SAO's way of showing premeditation. Chloroform was found in the trunk.