2012.05.17 Doc Dump Thread

[liedetector]

I noticed on p. 138 in the ME summary it says the 911 caller /said he observed a B/M who should not have been in the area while he was walking his neighborhood watch.

The caller confronted the male and they began to physically fight.

That's not the story GZ and his family have been telling.

I found this very interesting too!

 

[Reader]

Where does it say he forgot he had the pictures? He said he downloaded to his issued laptop later that night and sent them to Serino when he was told the injuries were not documented.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rosecutor-angela-corey-new-evidence-documents

Sanford Officer Michael Wagner pulled out his personal iPhone, he wrote in his report, and shot a photo of Zimmerman's bloody nose. It appeared to him, Wagner wrote in his report, that Zimmerman's nose was broken.

"I also saw that the back of Zimmerman's head was also bloodied," Wagner wrote.

Wagner downloaded the photo to his computer but never forwarded it to anyone else, he wrote, not until March 18, when he got word that the agency could find no photos of Zimmerman taken at the scene.

 

[TorisMom003]

He saw the way TM was walking and IIRC he mentioned it in one of the calls.

The following is a quote from the non-emergancy call between Zimmerman and the dispatcher.~

"Hey. We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, it's Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something, it's raining and he's just walking around looking about."

Now, what part of that mentions the way that Trayvon was walking? Walking in the rain? Looking about? I see nothing suspicious at all with that description and definately no reason to follow someone but that's just me.

MOO

 

[m00c0w]

I don't know why any of this surprises me......

And the one that looks like it was going to be specific is redacted!

Pure multiple choice. A little something for every theory. I'm done with this body location issue until I see a damn picture with something I can recognize as to location.

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/lo...how-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFb/#1539101

ETA: Looks fairly consistent with this:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Where does it say he forgot he had the pictures? He said he downloaded to his issued laptop later that night and sent them to Serino when he was told the injuries were not documented.

They were evidence and should have been turned over right then for evaluation. There is a article that came out today about how freaked out he was when he remembered he hadn't done it.

 

[m00c0w]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rosecutor-angela-corey-new-evidence-documents

Sanford Officer Michael Wagner pulled out his personal iPhone, he wrote in his report, and shot a photo of Zimmerman's bloody nose. It appeared to him, Wagner wrote in his report, that Zimmerman's nose was broken.

"I also saw that the back of Zimmerman's head was also bloodied," Wagner wrote.

Wagner downloaded the photo to his computer but never forwarded it to anyone else, he wrote, not until March 18, when he got word that the agency could find no photos of Zimmerman taken at the scene.

Which is almost exactly what I said...

 

[ariesgodofwar]

What two witnesses said that?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor See Page 38

Also http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witne...ermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7WrYrW7rYp

"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police. "

 

[beach]

I didn't see GZ's doctor report in the released docs. Did I miss it?

I'm looking for it too but haven't had a chance to read thoroughly.

If anybody can confirm and give me page #'s, let us know and we will generate a topical thread.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I thought it said on another page that it was ' an intermediate' distance when shot?

You are correct, that was in the autopsy report.

I noticed that contradiction right away.

 

[Concerned Papa]

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/lo...how-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFb/#1539101

ETA: Looks fairly consistent with this:

Assuming that's the body, is it just me or does the one in the lower pic look like it's more or less parallel to the sidewalk while the upper pic seems more perpendicular to the walk?

 

[i.b.nora]

Yes, it actually looks swollen here, which makes it seems like the swelling actually went down between the time this pic was taken and the colors ones were taken at the police station.

Very strange.

JMO.

For Beach, YES, that is the photo that was taken with a phone by one of the police people, in the backseat of a car.

And, for Izzy and any others, I think he has a wad of Kleenex or some kind of folded napkin on his nose to "stem" the bleeding from the "wound".

 

[TorisMom003]

I'm looking for it too but haven't had a chance to read thoroughly.

If anybody can confirm and give me page #'s, let us know and we will generate a topical thread.

It is NOT in this link.......
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor

 

[Reader]

They were evidence and should have been turned over right then for evaluation. There is a article that came out today about how freaked out he was when he remembered he hadn't done it.

I read it earlier and will try to find it again...some articles have that and some don't.

 

[deelytful1]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...rosecutor-angela-corey-new-evidence-documents

Sanford Officer Michael Wagner pulled out his personal iPhone, he wrote in his report, and shot a photo of Zimmerman's bloody nose. It appeared to him, Wagner wrote in his report, that Zimmerman's nose was broken.

"I also saw that the back of Zimmerman's head was also bloodied," Wagner wrote.

Wagner downloaded the photo to his computer but never forwarded it to anyone else, he wrote, not until March 18, when he got word that the agency could find no photos of Zimmerman taken at the scene.

What police officer does that???? That reminds me of those EMTs that got fired for taking pics of the crime scene on their phones where the girl was in the car accident and got decapitated...
Law Enforcement waits for the crime scene investigators, no?

 

[jjenny]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor See Page 38

Also http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-witne...ermans-version/story?id=16371852#.T7WrYrW7rYp

"He witnesses a black male, wearing a dark colored 'hoodie' on top of a white or Hispanic male and throwing punches 'MMA (mixed martial arts) style,'" the police report of the witness said. "He then heard a pop. He stated that after hearing the pop, he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass."

A second witness described a person on the ground with another straddling him and throwing punches. The man on the bottom was yelling for help, the witness told police. "

The first one is probably "John." Don't know who the second one is. They both describe a similar scene, only the second one doesn't seem to know who was on top and who was on the bottom. But considering Trayvon had no injuries except a scratch below knuckle, whereas Zimmerman had injuries to the back of the head and face, then it would be extremely unlikely that it was Trayvon on the ground getting beat up.

 

[JBean]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172326"]George Zimmerman's injuries, per leaked reports - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]<-- please move the discussions about Zimmerman's injuries here. thanks.

 

[jjenny]

For Beach, YES, that is the photo that was taken with a phone by one of the police people, in the backseat of a car.

And, for Izzy and any others, I think he has a wad of Kleenex or some kind of folded napkin on his nose to "stem" the bleeding from the "wound".

Good point. Paramedics might have stuffed something into his nose to stop the bleeding. That's why it looks so misshapen.

 

[Reader]

It is NOT in this link.......
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93951121/State-v-Zimmerman-Evidence-released-by-prosecutor

If that is the same doc dump I'm looking at, it's on page 150.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/lo...how-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFb/#1539101

ETA: Looks fairly consistent with this:

Well now that's interesting. I am assuming that is TM's body under the yellow blanket?

If so, and GZ shot him while TM was pounding his head into the pavement, how did the body get so far away from the sidewalk? Looks like at least three feet to me.

Not directed at you, MC, just jumping off from your post.

 

[TorisMom003]

If that is the same doc dump I'm looking at, it's on page 150.

There is a report from SFD concerning Zimmerman in that link but there is NO report from Zimmerman's doctor in that link which is what was asked about.