2012.05.17 Doc Dump Thread

[Littleone48]

Was Trayvon on the phone at the time that he was "meandering"? And when did it become a crime to "meander" instead of hurrying home?

Hey that's what I do when I smoke it, I meander, I roam around, I stare into space..put on my tye dyed shirt and just veg

Actually I have a lot of energy and not much pain so I can get a lot done. I never meander.

 

[New1]

Marijuana is one drug, not drugs. No other drugs were found in his system.

One (illegal) drug is quite enough.

 

[gxm]

Was Trayvon on the phone at the time that he was "meandering"? And when did it become a crime to "meander" instead of hurrying home?

Who said it was a "crime"? IMO, the THC supports GZ's 911 call. That's not a crime, it's corroboration of GZ's story.

JMO, OMO, and MOO

 

[gxm]

Hey that's what I do when I smoke it, I meander, I roam around, I stare into space..put on my tye dyed shirt and just veg

Actually I have a lot of energy and not much pain so I can get a lot done. I never meander.

It sounds like you're an adult and can smoke it in the privacy of your home. A teenager usually has to "take a walk."

 

[jaded cat]

Who said it was a "crime"? IMO, the THC supports GZ's 911 call. That's not a crime, it's corroboration of GZ's story.

JMO, OMO, and MOO

No matter how you spin it, it isn't corroboration of anything. Unless GZ smelled it, he'd have no way of knowing TM had smoked pot. And the evidence indicates GZ couldn't have known any such thing. The trace amounts indicate it wasn't done recently, as in not in the time TM went to the store and walked back.

 

[Reader]

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<D9UQMO900@news.ap.org>&ps=1018&page=1

The evidence supports Zimmerman's contention that he was being beat up when he fired the fatal shot. At the same time, it bolsters the argument of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was profiling Martin and that the whole confrontation could have been avoided if not for Zimmerman's actions.

Many of the pertinent questions remain unclear: What was in Zimmerman's mind when he began to follow Martin in the gated community where he lived? How did the confrontation between the two begin? Whose screams for help were captured on 911 calls? And why did Zimmerman feel that deadly force was warranted?

 

[jjenny]

http://www.centurylink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=<D9UQMO900@news.ap.org>&ps=1018&page=1

The evidence supports Zimmerman's contention that he was being beat up when he fired the fatal shot. At the same time, it bolsters the argument of Martin's parents that Zimmerman was profiling Martin and that the whole confrontation could have been avoided if not for Zimmerman's actions.

Many of the pertinent questions remain unclear: What was in Zimmerman's mind when he began to follow Martin in the gated community where he lived? How did the confrontation between the two begin? Whose screams for help were captured on 911 calls? And why did Zimmerman feel that deadly force was warranted?

There are a lot of things with un-intended consequences that could have been avoided. But that is neither here nor there.

 

[JBean]

please take the conversation about pot to the correct thread.
final warning and thank you.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

page 122 FDLE says trayvon had a sweatshirt and hoodie . page 140 ME circles T-shirt and not undershirt page 142 ME marks t-shirt again not shirt.

Something really wrong there.

 

[Chris_Texas]

page 122 FDLE says trayvon had a sweatshirt and hoodie . page 140 ME circles T-shirt and not undershirt page 142 ME marks t-shirt again not shirt.

Something really wrong there.

I wonder when some of these reports were actually written. But then, with this case I am wondering about a lot of things.

 

[HiHater]

There are a lot of things with un-intended consequences that could have been avoided. But that is neither here nor there.

Oh it matters. Big time. If GZ's injuries were enough to bolster his claim of self defense, we would not be discussing this case.

As I have said from the beginning---you cannot disregard your OWN safety (and jeopardize someone else's) and then hide behind the law.

JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

As I have said a million times, I believe that GZ should have been arrested for manslaughter that night. He was wrong for leaving his car and making this whole tragedy happen.

But I do not agree that he is guilty of purposely murdering an innocent kid. I think it was a perfect storm of tragic circumstances, that led to the killing.

BBM

The stand your ground law should be something for the courts to decide not the police.

RSBM

Oh, was he found in possession of pot that night? I didn't read that.

I've never seen that anywhere.

Most often in conjunction with other drugs. Very few are done simply under the influence of pot.

Not in my experience. the only time in my life I've seen cocaine outside a pharmacy is a casual friends car (the car was off and parked and we weren't going anywhere). We were getting high and he started to cut up some coke on a mirror and offered me some. I politely refused and it was cool. He didn't try to pressure me into it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

page 122 FDLE says trayvon had a sweatshirt and hoodie . page 140 ME circles T-shirt and not undershirt page 142 ME marks t-shirt again not shirt.

Something really wrong there.

Have you ever read Vincent Bugliosi's book "Outrage" about the OJ Simpson case?

If not you should.

It's as much about how incompetence is rampant in our society as it is about that particular case.

After reading it, I tend to generally chalk stuff like this off to incompetence rather than anything more sinister.

JMO as always.

 

[Reader]

Which is almost exactly what I said...

Here's where it was:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/u...issteps.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&pagewanted=all

As for the officer at the scene who took the single full-face photo of Mr. Zimmerman — he suffered a nose fracture and other injuries during the struggle — he called an investigator “in a panic” over his failure to download it sooner, according to a person familiar with the case. Other photos of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries were later shot at police headquarters, although he had been cleaned up by paramedics by then.

 

[Lovejac]

Well.

I wonder how many posters here have ever broken the speed limit.

It is, after all, the law.

So any posters who have done so must be predisposed to break the law, according to this logic.

JMO of course.

*raises hand*

 

[gxm]

Oh it matters. Big time. If GZ's injuries were enough to bolster his claim of self defense, we would not be discussing this case.

As I have said from the beginning---you cannot disregard your OWN safety (and jeopardize someone else's) and then hide behind the law.

JMO

BBM.

I disagree. The people who want to see GZ drawn and quartered will never be able to accept that the man was attacked and beaten, even when confronted with the photographic evidence.

Everyone was asking to see the pictures. Now we have pictures and a medical report and everyone's saying they don't matter, or that GZ was beaten badly enough.

JMO, OMO, and MOO

 

[HiHater]

*raises hand*

I'd have to raise both of my hands, both of my feet, and then borrow someone else's. LOL

 

[Reader]

page 122 FDLE says trayvon had a sweatshirt and hoodie . page 140 ME circles T-shirt and not undershirt page 142 ME marks t-shirt again not shirt.

Something really wrong there.

I'm thinking they are the same shirt...but just called a sweatshirt by some because it had long sleeves. Could that be it?

 

[Steely Dan]

This is what I think the defense and prosecution will have a major problem with.

First I want to say that this is one of the most bungled investigations I've seen. A lot of it is due to the SYGL it would appear.

What this turns on and is the only thing that matters, IMO, is who was the aggressor? If it was TM then GZ had a right to defend himself, but only if he felt his life was in danger. If GZ is the agressor then we have a homicide.

Did GM walk out of the car to look at a number and get sucker punched by TM. Which I believe legally would make TM the aggressor.

Or did GZ get out of the car and start chasing someone who was running away from him. Grab him and start a fight? That would make GZ legally the aggressor I think.

It was raining that night. and the grass was all wet. Look at this picture of GZ.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/George-Zimmerman-via-ABC-News-screenshot.jpg

If he was in fact the one on the bottom I think his coat would be grass stained and have a little mud on it. The back of his coat, IMO, doesn't suggest him on his back on the ground.

I'd really like to see the back of TM's hoodie.

IMO, right now there isn't enough evidence to make a determination. Unfortunately we only have the survivor to tell us what happened.

 

[HiHater]

BBM.

I disagree. The people who want to see GZ drawn and quartered will never be able to accept that the man was attacked and beaten, even when confronted with the photographic evidence.

Everyone was asking to see the pictures. Now we have pictures and a medical report and everyone's saying they don't matter, or that GZ was beaten badly enough.

JMO, OMO, and MOO

What I mean is that Angela Corey had evidence of these injuries (I assume, anyway). She still chose to bring charges. That tells me the totality of the situation outweighs Zimmerman's relatively minor injuries. IMO