2012.05.17 Doc Dump Thread

[justbeachy]

Has anyone come across the part where the witness possibly "John" saw GZ standing over TM and talking to someone with a flashlight after the shot?

I just saw that on a news report, I haven't seen it in the doc dump myself.

I believe it is on pg 37 or 38. I'll double check....

It's on pg 38.

HTH

 

[elementary]

Has anyone come across the part where the witness possibly "John" saw GZ standing over TM and talking to someone with a flashlight after the shot?

I just saw that on a news report, I haven't seen it in the doc dump myself.

Yes, from what I've read, a witness mentioned that immediately after the shooting, a man came up to GZ and was talking with him. Next on the scene was a cop and GZ hands were up and he was cuffed. No identifying that first one so far in what I've read. I don't know if it was LE or non LE.

 

[MaryAnn]

Drugs found in Trayvon's system, per autopsy.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...orge-zimmerman/story?id=16371852#.T7VlishvB8E

It doesn't say in this article that drugs were found in Trayvon's system. Do you have a link?

 

[Littleone48]

Martin Savidge on the same show said they checked with a medical professional to get an idea of the amount and how it might impair him (given in nanograms...can't recall the exact amount but it is in the docs)

He said according to medical marijuana standards - it was 'right on the line' with what is the legal standard with being impaired to drive a vehicle.

Hey, I don't make too much of a 17 yr. old kid who has smoked a few joints...HOWEVER, what I want to know is how long ago this marijuana had been ingested. IOW, if the level was high enough to be 'right on the line' to be considered legally imparied to operate a vehicle, then I would think it had to be fairly recent. Not a week ago, kwim? I don't know... here to learn.

Please don't attack or misinterpret my reason for asking this. My MAIN reason is if it was very recent, that means he smoked since he had been visiting his dad. That leads me to wonder where the heck he got it considering his hometown and any connections were far away. Or maybe he brought it with him? I dunno.

Too much is being made about THC being in his system or smoking a joint IMO. For my entire life I have been against any types of drugs. That all changed when I got MS. I don't smoke it everynight and I don't smoke an entire joint but when I am in a flare I do partake in it.

Pot is illegal in NH but not in Maine. My Dr is in Maine so he could discuss it with me but not prescribe it. It takes away the pain and relaxes me. It does NOT make me agressive, dopey or whatever else people have said.

When I have a urine test for my pain pills I cannot smoke it for a week before because the of the level of THC that will show. It takes very little to be impaired to drive (I never drive after partaking). IMO it has helped me to not take as many pain pills as I did without it. IMO I think this is a very good thing.

IMO smoking Pot did not make TM more aggresive in fact is makes you more passive.

 

[BiancaS]

Screen capture from JVM of nose picture.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Trayvon was 5' 11" 158lbs

 

[MaryAnn]

It's PROOF Martin was predisposed to break the law.

Really? You know this because?????

 

[cityslick]

Screen capture from JVM of nose picture.

Did they say when that was taken? It's not the same one as the black and white shot.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I agree, he should be granted immunity. There is nothing here to show he committed murder2. Lots of misinformation was released, amazing.

As an American citizen it is very upsetting to see how a person can be railroaded by people like Mr.Crump who tells mistruths or IMO lies in the media.Anyone could end up in the same position as GZ and IMO that is scary as H3ll.Very possibly when all is said and done GZ is telling the truth but is still facing life in prison even though IMO he had every right under the law to save his own life.

 

[BiancaS]

If you will research the amounts found in his system, you will see that the levels were from that day.

On JVM, they just said that levels of 300 or higher means last 2-3 days, it is stored in fat cells.

 

[Elley Mae]

Well.

I wonder how many posters here have ever broken the speed limit.

It is, after all, the law.

So any posters who have done so must be predisposed to break the law, according to this logic.

JMO of course.

I'll pay the fine, but I won't do the time.

 

[katydid23]

Really? You know this because?????

Because he had THC in his system.

 

[BiancaS]

Did they say when that was taken? It's not the same one as the black and white shot.

They said it was taken at the police station that night. And it DEFINITELY does not look like the one that was supposedly from the scene. That black and white one has to be fake, a smashed nose does not repair itself. MOO.

 

[elementary]

No. With semi-automatic (such as the one Mr. Zimmerman owned) and automatic weapons, you do not have to manually load the next round - the gun will do it automatically. The report stated that there was not a live round in the chamber, which had us asking "why not?" One reason would be that the slide was obstructed for some reason - which led myself and many others to believe that Mr. Martin's hand WOULD have some kind of injury from where he would have been grabbing the weapon. It turns out Mr. Martin didn't have a wound to his hand, which made me (and possibly others) rethink the scenario. Now that we know there WAS a new live round in the chamber there is no need to rethink the scenario. Everything happened as it should have, as far as the functioning of gun being fired is concerned.

So does this mean that possibly Trayvon did not grab the weapon, or just that the gun shows no conclusive evidence of being grabbed by Trayvon?

 

[vlpate]

Martin Savidge on the same show said they checked with a medical professional to get an idea of the amount and how it might impair him (given in nanograms...can't recall the exact amount but it is in the docs)

He said according to medical marijuana standards - it was 'right on the line' with what is the legal standard with being impaired to drive a vehicle.

Hey, I don't make too much of a 17 yr. old kid who has smoked a few joints...HOWEVER, what I want to know is how long ago this marijuana had been ingested. IOW, if the level was high enough to be 'right on the line' to be considered legally imparied to operate a vehicle, then I would think it had to be fairly recent. Not a week ago, kwim? I don't know... here to learn.

Please don't attack or misinterpret my reason for asking this. My MAIN reason is if it was very recent, that means he smoked since he had been visiting his dad. That leads me to wonder where the heck he got it considering his hometown and any connections were far away. Or maybe he brought it with him? I dunno.

He bought a lighter at 7-11 and doesn't smoke cigarettes, so he either had some weed, or was about to score some. JMO

 

[MaryAnn]

If you will research the amounts found in his system, you will see that the levels were from that day.

What difference does it make if he did smoke? I'm sure there are lots of people on this board that smoke and that doesn't give someone the right to shoot them dead! What about the Adderal and other drugs GZ had in his system? Those are far worse than a little weed even if they are prescription drugs!

 

[jaded cat]

Smoking pot helps people make poor choices. When you are high, you tend to do impulsive, irrational things. I grew up in the SF Bay Area in the 60's. I was a dead head for years and have seen and known a million pot smokers. And as an old hippie, smoked it for many many years myself.

If Trayvon was smoking a joint that night, it would explain a lot, imo.

I'm a medical marijuana patient and I don't make poor choices, do impulsive or irrational things. I didn't when I was smoking illegally in 1971. It reacts differrently for everyone.

We have no evidence of TM doing any of these things, other than GZ's statement. I choose not to believe GZ's version of events.

 

[elementary]

They said it was taken at the police station that night. And it DEFINITELY does not look like the one that was supposedly from the scene. That black and white one has to be fake, a smashed nose does not repair itself. MOO.

The difference between the B&W one and the coloured ones is remarkable. I agree. It doesn't look like the same nose at all. .

 

[cityslick]

They said it was taken at the police station that night. And it DEFINITELY does not look like the one that was supposedly from the scene. That black and white one has to be fake, a smashed nose does not repair itself. MOO.

How in the world is it fake if it's coming from the doc dump, taken by LE?

 

[AJ Noiter]

So does this mean that possibly Trayvon did not grab the weapon, or just that the gun shows no conclusive evidence of being grabbed by Trayvon?

I wouldn't say it's conclusive proof that Mr. Martin didn't go for or grab the weapon. It simply states that the INITITAL REPORT which stated "there wasn't a new live round in the gun" was WRONG. That's it.