2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[flgrl017]

Especially someone that owes the irs. If he'd clean house, he may find enough to pay his debt.

I keep an empty coffe can & fill it with coins.....but I've never seen or heard of anyone filling empty water cooler jugs with "Benjamin's" & other assorted bills! What an oddball!

MS takes the cake on this one! I just can't wait to hear the litany of his other psychopathic habits. And perhaps poster N. Leon is correct when she said she thinks MS's brains were fried out from meth!?

 

[JanetElaine]

Image 28822 looks like a leg and foot on right side

It does...

 

[FelicityLemon]

I apologize that I haven't figured out how to save the pics on my iPad to paste here, but here are a few things I noticed on pics so far

Batch 4, pics 27760 and 27761 - CWW wallet contents. Why and how weird to carry around a credit card not yet activated, but even weirder to carry around one of those fake offer ones. See in big letters on back "this is not a credit card."

Batch 38, pic 29838 - contents of a drawer to MS extremely messy Business Mgr home office. Why on earth does he have a supply of needles in his drawer?

Batch 24, pics 29314 through 29316. Notice the jar of Ceylon Cinnamon. Is that what we are thinking are the toothpicks, one on counter and one on floor?

Toooo funny and a great catch: "this is not a credit card"!

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Toothpicks used cinnamon oil back in the '70s. To me, it looks like the toothpicks are for someone with bad dental hygiene because it looks to be blood on the tips. DNA, not just from saliva.

Yeah, I wondered about so many needles, too.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

LOL, I have my little stash, but holy cow - not in plain sight. Somebody peeking through windows might be too interested or think they have all kinds of cash if it's left out like that. I think about the kids having friends over and what an opportunity that would offer for some. OTOH, I don't know if the girls ever have friends over for visits I remember my Papa (grandpapa) having cups of pennies on his desk at home and we were all goggle-eyed at that (ah, we were simple kids back then), I can imagine how the girls might not have a healthy respect for money given that it's not treated in a serious manner. I mean, I know it's not the be-all end-all (poor choice of words given why we're here) but when it's treated like any other random papers lying around... paper cash in that water bottle when most people put their coins in them... but then, he's hot *****, eh?

It takes a certain mentality to (pretend?) be so cavalier about it. Aw, this old jug? It's spare change...

Maybe he'll take a little more care now that his business is published on the net. Prime picking for cash, guns, swords. A house with hit and miss security system, too. *wink

So far, I haven't seen a classroom amongst all that square footage. I've seen two random junk drawers that have some school stuff like pens, pencils, etc. but no dedicated learning place. I'm only 30-odd files in, still have plenty to look through, though. I hope it's clean and organized unlike his office.

I haven't come across anything that suggests the girls were receiving their education in that home either. Idk, maybe a lot is done online. But it's strange. I would expect photos of books (text & literature), workbooks, desks, etc...

Teresa appears to have owned a few books (photos of books in a closet) but that's all I've run across so far.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Anybody else notice the picture of CWW on the refrigerator?

That is so weird! It's not a photo of MS and CWW together or a group shot from the wedding.

How many families have a photo of dad's best friend by himself on the fridge?

 

[al66pine]

Agree. The photos don't meet the standards taught in crime scene photography.

I've not looked at very many pix yet but noticed only a few w forensic rulers to show scale of items in the images.


Two good things about digital cameras these days -
- Easy to take lottttttttttts of photos. No pricey film developing costs, like decades back.
- Digital technology allows images to reviewed as they're being shot; if no good, can immed'ly retake if needed; can be shared easily electronically by LEOs, tech's, prosecuting attys.
JM2cts.

And many thanks to the observant ppl analyzing these huuuuuge doc dumps & posting on the various threads here.

 

[1&2&3]

Sgt Lebid to AW: "When you find out about someone you love and you trust, and you’ve paired your life with them and said, "I wanna be your everything and I want you to be mine." And they say to you, "Yes, I do." But then, when they’re not around you, or they go outta their way to talk behind you in -- in ways that you wouldn't know about, through different communication mtechniques, and they talk to their friend and they make plans -- then they make permanent choices for other people’s lives."

Bates #5727

Page 855 of Doc Dump 2 batch 2

With this in quotes, it must be the exact words that were said to AW. I don't think AW understood one word of what that meant! While it is well worded, politely stated, we have to realize that this group of people that hung out with CWW are not the brightest crayons in the box!! It was so far over her head, she would not remember what was said to her to even repeat it to someone for clarification.

My opinions only.

 

[south fishy]

Patience please- random thoughts and observations about all of these photos that I have to write here because no one else gets my obsession with this case...

- I'm both shocked and not at the state of the house. Mom's side of my family were rich and slob pack rats while dad's were poor and meticulously clean. I've also been in a lot of houses that look like this and almost always one partner is super intelligent and in their own world of 'action' and seemed to look right through things like decorating and cleaning. The spouse was either super obsessed with both of these things or a slob. So in that way, I don't see the shape of their house as all that unusual (although his office was truly disgusting).

- while I think of myself as a neat freak as far as dirt and dust and the like, clutter can get the best of me sometimes. After seeing all of these pics, I got up today and made my SO join me in a rabid organizing frenzy lest something happens to me unexpectedly. Although it brought some relief of a sort, I was a little shocked a a few things:
- I counted, no lie, over $300 in bills folded and stuck here and there in plain sight.
- there was a loaded handgun on our sofa side table (no kids). I honestly had not noticed it there before.
- in cleaning out random drawers, I found and threw away 8 expired prescription bottles with my name and 5 with my SO (and 2 for our cats). Again, shocked. My SO is on 2 prescriptions and I'm on 3.
- after seeing pics of her pantry, I see that TS and I took 2 brands of the same supplements (not the one's mentioned here before, or that she did the videos for, but I recognized the labels). I also saw her food and personal,care products were eerily similar. After a diagnosis of 2 severe and serious autoimmune diseases 2 years ago, I delved into reading scientific studies on root causes and treatments. And those supplements have gotten me off of 4 horrific prescription meds so far.

I guess all of this is to say that we all seem to realize what an amazing person TS was, but the peek into her life through these pics invariably brings out thoughts of "I can't believe" or " I could never". I suppose it's natural. But such pics by their nature can never tell the true story of a person..... Everyone I know describes me as the ultimate goody two shoes and morality barometer. But strangers seeing what I describe above might assume differently.

 

[1&2&3]

Does anyone know the homeschool laws in Florida?

Is there a curriculum to follow? Are the children required to take a test at the end of each school year to see where they are in their studies? More so to see if the parent is doing their job and teaching the child.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

That is so weird! It's not a photo of MS and CWW together or a group shot from the wedding.

How many families have a photo of dad's best friend by himself on the fridge?

I'm not convinced it's him. There's something different about the smile.

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[howonkee]

Patience please- random thoughts and observations about all of these photos that I have to write here because no one else gets my obsession with this case...

- I'm both shocked and not at the state of the house. Mom's side of my family were rich and slob pack rats while dad's were poor and meticulously clean. I've also been in a lot of houses that look like this and almost always one partner is super intelligent and in their own world of 'action' and seemed to look right through things like decorating and cleaning. The spouse was either super obsessed with both of these things or a slob. So in that way, I don't see the shape of their house as all that unusual (although his office was truly disgusting).

- while I think of myself as a neat freak as far as dirt and dust and the like, clutter can get the best of me sometimes. After seeing all of these pics, I got up today and made my SO join me in a rabid organizing frenzy lest something happens to me unexpectedly. Although it brought some relief of a sort, I was a little shocked a a few things:
- I counted, no lie, over $300 in bills folded and stuck here and there in plain sight.
- there was a loaded handgun on our sofa side table (no kids). I honestly had not noticed it there before.
- in cleaning out random drawers, I found and threw away 8 expired prescription bottles with my name and 5 with my SO (and 2 for our cats). Again, shocked. My SO is on 2 prescriptions and I'm on 3.
- after seeing pics of her pantry, I see that TS and I took 2 brands of the same supplements (not the one's mentioned here before, or that she did the videos for, but I recognized the labels). I also saw her food and personal,care products were eerily similar. After a diagnosis of 2 severe and serious autoimmune diseases 2 years ago, I delved into reading scientific studies on root causes and treatments. And those supplements have gotten me off of 4 horrific prescription meds so far.

I guess all of this is to say that we all seem to realize what an amazing person TS was, but the peek into her life through these pics invariably brings out thoughts of "I can't believe" or " I could never". I suppose it's natural. But such pics by their nature can never tell the true story of a person..... Everyone I know describes me as the ultimate goody two shoes and morality barometer. But strangers seeing what I describe above might assume differently.

Likewise, I was shocked as well at the way everything was both dirty and terribly disorganized. I am a bit of a pack rat and have too much stuff but it's not really strewn all over the place in no semblance of order. And I simply could not live with the level of uncleanliness in that house. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said one partner is super intelligent and sees past the cleaning and decorating and that would have been TS. I think she was so busy being a doctor, continuing to study alternative healing methods and being a mommy that she simply couldn't deal with MS being so much of a slob, and probably gave up on that ever changing a long time ago. So she tried to ignore it, knowing that there are more important things in life. But I think there was a part of her that so much wanted to escape the living hell she was obviously in with a psychopathic, narcissistic, controlling and most likely emotionally abusive husband. I suspect that he knew he was on the way out of her life and wasn't going to give up everything he'd schemed and connived for so he orchestrated her tragic demise.

 

[east2west]

Image 28822 looks like a leg and foot on right side

Yes, it looks as if its TS's left leg and bare foot (heel side), from a prone position. Includes the Fiji water bottle on the floor as well.

 

[MsArk]

Does anyone know the homeschool laws in Florida?

Is there a curriculum to follow? Are the children required to take a test at the end of each school year to see where they are in their studies? More so to see if the parent is doing their job and teaching the child.

(b) The parent shall maintain a portfolio of records and materials. The portfolio shall consist of the following:
1. A log of educational activities that is made contemporaneously with the instruction and that designates by title any reading materials used.
2. Samples of any writings, worksheets, workbooks, or creative materials used or developed by the student.
The portfolio shall be preserved by the parent for 2 years and shall be made available for inspection by the district school superintendent, or the district school superintendent’s agent, upon 15 days’ written notice. Nothing in this section shall require the district school superintendent to inspect the portfolio.
(c) The parent shall provide for an annual educational evaluation in which is documented the student’s demonstration of educational progress at a level commensurate with her or his ability. The parent shall select the method of evaluation and shall file a copy of the evaluation annually with the district school superintendent’s office in the county in which the student resides. The annual educational evaluation shall consist of one of the following:
1. A teacher selected by the parent shall evaluate the student’s educational progress upon review of the portfolio and discussion with the student. Such teacher shall hold a valid regular Florida certificate to teach academic subjects at the elementary or secondary level;
2. The student shall take any nationally normed student achievement test administered by a certified teacher;
3. The student shall take a state student assessment test used by the school district and administered by a certified teacher, at a location and under testing conditions approved by the school district;
4. The student shall be evaluated by an individual holding a valid, active license pursuant to the provisions of s. 490.003(7) or (8); or
5. The student shall be evaluated with any other valid measurement tool as mutually agreed upon by the district school superintendent of the district in which the student resides and the student’s parent.
(2) The district school superintendent shall review and accept the results of the annual educational evaluation of the student in a home education program. If the student does not demonstrate educational progress at a level commensurate with her or his ability, the district school superintendent shall notify the parent, in writing, that such progress has not been achieved. The parent shall have 1 year from the date of receipt of the written notification to provide remedial instruction to the student. At the end of the 1-year probationary period, the student shall be reevaluated as specified in paragraph (1)(c). Continuation in a home education program shall be contingent upon the student demonstrating educational progress commensurate with her or his ability at the end of the probationary period.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...2.41&URL=1000-1099/1002/Sections/1002.41.html

Maybe we aren't seeing a designated teaching/learning area in the home because it was summer and the girls weren't working on daily lessons. Plus, didn't they employ a tutor? If so,
1. I can't imagine a tutor worth their salt would agree to teach in such a messy environment (although who knows what the home looks like on a regular basis.
2. I bet the tutor has given much insight to LE as to the day to day norms of the family.
3. Wonder if MS has taken over the role of teacher/tutor now? Shudder

 

[Dmacky]

I'm not convinced it's him. There's something different about the smile.

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I agree deb, I don't think it's CWW either. I thought right off the bat that it was MS's late father. Look at those black old time glasses. It also makes more sense to me with the placing of the picture.

You mean this one?

Bates # 28476

I know that Sinner said MS's father died very young. Late 50's IIRC ? He had been a Vet, but had gone back to school to becomes a MD. Unfortunately he died of pancreatic cancer either in last year of med school, or shortly after graduating. I honestly think it is his dad. JMO

* Special thanks to Nin, for posting the pic.

 

[Matlacha]

I'm really surprised at the poor quality of the photographs. I'm sure they have a decent camera, probably one that's so hard to figure out the lowly crime scene tech has no idea how to operate it. Today there are great cameras that take excellent pics in automatic mode (they're called bridge cameras). I know because I own one of them. It's only a $500 camera but the thing adjusts to pretty much whatever situation you are in. The other thing I would think they would teach them to do is to first take a pic of the overall scene, then zoom in for the details. A lot of those pics you can't tell where they were taken in context to the area that they're in. And the lighting. How hard would it be to get some light on the subject?

Yes, I think one of the reasons I initially thought some of the photos showed one of the Missouri trailers was the horrible color and lighting. There's even what appears to be a color calibration shot, but still the colors are off, possibly giving even more of a horror-film look than the awful reality. Perhaps any images presented at trial will be color-corrected. But when you're taking images that might turn up some hidden meaning later, it would sure make sense to use soft lighting to bring out details hidden in the shadows.

 

[Matlacha]

Maybe it was done between BS last visit in the evening and before TS got home.

I always thought the early morning "malfunction" of the alarm was just a test / set-up so that BS would assume (and tell LE) that it had been acting up that weekend or thinking that LE might interpret it as an attempted break-in that morning but scared off by BS? Only to return again later and encounter TS. Bad MS for sticking his mom in this position.

Excellent point, and that alone, even if the alarm were turned off remotely, might constitute "staging" to LE.

 

[cebee]

I find it telling that the inside of the house did not match the ostentatious outside. Clearly the outside was meant to show a successful and prosperous life. I wonder if they ever had anyone over to their house who would see the inside?
That said, I totally do not judge anyone's level of cleanliness. Perhaps TS was fine with it? Maybe she was not into spending her free time cleaning. She obviously did not want to spend $$ on a housekeeper. Maybe she comfortable with clutter? There were not feces on the floor, piles of garbage, etc. Just clutter.

I wonder if nothing was stolen since MS did not want HIS STUFF taken. CWW and JR would get their 'pay' when MS got 'his'. Got a downpayment but the rest of their $$ would come as soon as the insurance paid him. To take money that was laying around would be stealing from MS, and that was NOT acceptable...

 

[Bobbywoo]

Here it is:

Bates # 29604

Bucket and brush? Did they try to clean up? Drugs and paraphernalia? Is this simply LE wording when they collect prescription meds the victim was on? Are they talking about all the meds in the house plus the needles by the cash drawer. Or did CWW and JR leave some illegal drugs near her body to make it look like a drug murder? There is more pics we haven't seen so I'm just throwing around any thoughts that pop into my head.

ETA: I saw debbiegarcia's post about possibly being pot in the safe after I already posted

 

[Bobbywoo]

I haven't come across anything that suggests the girls were receiving their education in that home either. Idk, maybe a lot is done online. But it's strange. I would expect photos of books (text & literature), workbooks, desks, etc...

Teresa appears to have owned a few books (photos of books in a closet) but that's all I've run across so far.

I'm having a hard time pulling up pics at this time but I recall seeing a pic of a desk type structure against a wall with 2 chairs pulled up to it. Does that look like a learning area? Hopefully someone can find the pic.

I'm on an iphone6. New phone to me, I've always used androids. How are you iPhone or Apple folks viewing the pics? Any help is appreciated

 

[No it's not]

I'm having a hard time pulling up pics at this time but I recall seeing a pic of a desk type structure against a wall with 2 chairs pulled up to it. Does that look like a learning area? Hopefully someone can find the pic.

I'm on an iphone6. New phone to me, I've always used androids. How are you iPhone or Apple folks viewing the pics? Any help is appreciated

I think you are talking about this desk and the 2 chairs, Bates# 28855: