2016.01.07 Discovery Docs Batch 3 - Crime Scene Images included

[Matlacha]

. . . The photo appears to be taken from the top of MS's desk. The title on the first page of the stack of papers is "How Trauma Impacts the Brain". . . .

Having that paper on his desk is so unlikely, and so stupid, it almost suggests, as does CWW's photo on the frig and the lack of anything stolen, staging against MS and CWW. They seem to be starring in a tragic remake of Fargo or Idiocracy.

 

[Bobbywoo]

Having that paper on his desk is so unlikely, and so stupid, it almost suggests, as does CWW's photo on the frig and the lack of anything stolen, staging against MS and CWW. They seem to be starring in a tragic remake of Fargo or Idiocracy.

Let's hope they fingerprinted those papers about head trauma!

 

[Dmacky]

Photos released 2016.01.07
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B717FUtKwdU8YXRFM0k0MnlkOG8
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img01072016_0001.pdf 27295 - 27644 TS clothing, jewelry, hammer, aerial photos
img01072016_0002.pdf 27645 - 27684 Aerial photos
img01072016_0003.pdf 27685 - 27723 Dr. P, Dr. P's car, aerial photos
img01072016_0004.pdf 27724 - 27763 Dr. P's car, CWW credit/debit cards
img01072016_0005.pdf 27764 - 27801 RHHC dumpster, White Hyundai Elantra
img01072016_0006.pdf 27802 - 27841 White Hyundai Elantra
img01072016_0007.pdf 27842 - 27881 Silver Hyundai Elantra
img01072016_0008.pdf 27882 - 27922 Silver Hyundai Elantra, hammer, wallet, receipts, bottles
img01072016_0009.pdf 27923 - 27964 TS wallet contents, right shoe
img01072016_0010.pdf 27882 - 27922 (duplicate of 8) Silver Hyundai Elantra, hammer, wallet, receipts, bottles
img01072016_0011.pdf 27923 - 27964 (duplicate of 9) TS wallet contents, right shoe
img01072016_0012.pdf 27965 - 27999 Shoes, earbuds, suitcase and contents
img01082016_0001.pdf 28000 - 28021 and 28255-28272 Suitcase contents, exterior crime scene photos
img01082016_0002.pdf 28273 - 28312 Backyard, Pried door and doorjamb
img01082016_0003.pdf 28313 - 28352 Pry marks on door, garage interior
img01082016_0004.pdf 28353 - 28390 and 28668-28671 Vehicles in garage, laundry room, house interior
img01082016_0005.pdf 28672, 28392, (2 unknown) 28410-28411, 28414, 28469-28501 Crime scene, pantry
img01082016_0006.pdf 28502 - 28541 Living room, bedroom, bathroom, blood on door frame
img01082016_0007.pdf 28542 - 28581 Home interior, blood on door frame
img01082016_0008.pdf 28582 - 28621 Bathroom, children’s rooms
img01082016_0009.pdf 28622 - 28661 TS study, MS study
img01082016_0010.pdf 28662 - 28705 Master bedroom
img01082016_0011.pdf 28706 - 28745 Master closet, master bath
img01082016_0012.pdf 28746 - 28785 Lanai, pool, door
img01082016_0013.pdf 28786 - 28825 Lanai, pool, cupboard and drawer contents
img01082016_0014.pdf 28826 - 28867 Cupboard/drawer contents, crime scene items, stains on gate and door
img01082016_0015.pdf 28868 - 28900 Measured crime scene photos
img01082016_0016.pdf 28956 - 28996 Bloodstain patterns on tile and appliances
img01082016_0017.pdf 28997 - 29036 Items in kitchen, toothpicks, items in garage
img01082016_0018.pdf 29037 - 29076 Items in garage, van interior
img01082016_0019.pdf 29077 - 29116 Van interior
img01082016_0020.pdf 29117 - 29166 Mercedes interior, bloodstain patterns, alarm keypad
img01082016_0021.pdf 29167 - 29196 Alarm keypad, home computers
img01082016_0022.pdf 29197 - 29237 Electronics, cameras, security system, cash
img01082016_0023.pdf 29238 - 29277 Electronics, digital media, safes, child art, washer/dryer
img01082016_0024.pdf 29278 - 29317 Washer/dryer, Internet equipment, garage keypad
img01082016_0025.pdf 29318 - 29357 Broken fridge dispenser, neighbor ext., screwdriver, laundry sink, bloodstain patterns
img01082016_0026.pdf 29358 - 29397 Bloodstain patterns
img01082016_0027.pdf 29398 - 29437 Stains on freezer, laundry sink, drawer & cabinet contents MBR
img01082016_0028.pdf 29439 - 29478 Handgun, drawer and closet contents, Dining room cabinet contents, MJ
img01082016_0029.pdf 29479 - 29519 Desk, file cabinet contents, girl’s room drawer contents
img01082016_0030.pdf 29520 - 29559 Child drawer contents, bloodstain patterns, clean-up evidence
img01082016_0031.pdf 29560 - 29600 Bloodstains, clean-up, various house interior and garage photos
img01082016_0032.pdf 29601 - 29640 Search warrant, stain on laundry floor, various photos
img01082016_0033.pdf 29641 - 29682 Safes and contents
img01082016_0034.pdf 29683 - 29723 Firearms and safe contents
img01082016_0035.pdf 29624 - 29763 Firearms and safe contents, video tapes
img01082016_0036.pdf 29764 - 28796 and 29841-29842 and 29864-29869, then 29843-29844 Firearms, laundry sink, various house interior
img01082016_0037.pdf 29845 - 29863, 29797, 29804-29818, then 29793-29799 Scrub brush, various house interior, attic space
img01082016_0038.pdf 29800 - 29803, 2xxxxx - 2xxxxx (7 photos alarm) and 29826-29841 and 28022-28035 Attic space, tools, cash, needles, motorcycle, pry bar
img01082016_0039.pdf 28036 - 28075 TS clothing and personal effects
img01082016_0040.pdf 28076 - 2811x Handbag and contents, medications
img01082016_0041.pdf 2811x - 28160 Medications and supplements
img01082016_0042.pdf 28161 - 28191 and 9 black background screenshots of witness' phone (see JL Sworn Statement and consent) Medications, JRR coveralls on roadside, Jerry L phone log
img01082016_0043.pdf 28239-28251 Airport photos, receipts, phone, home exterior.
JR FB01082016_0002.pdf 7142 - 7192
JR FB01082016_0003.pdf 7193 - 7232
JR FB01082016_0004.pdf 7233 - 7272
JR FB01082016_0005.pdf 7273 - 7286

Consolidated files for quick reference.
Doc Dump 3 Binder 1 (01072016 1-9).pdf 27295-27964
Doc Dump 3 Binder 2 (01072016 10-12 and 01082016 1-5).pdf (27882) 27965-28501
Doc Dump 3 Binder 3 (01082016 6-14).pdf 28502-28867
Doc Dump 3 Binder 4 (01082016 15-23).pdf 28868-29277
Doc Dump 3 Binder 5 (01082016 24-30).pdf 29278-29559
Doc Dump 3 Binder 6 (01082016 31-39).pdf 29560-29841 and 28022-28075
Doc Dump 3 Binder 7 (01082916 40-43).pdf 28076-28191 and 28239-28251
Doc Dump 3 Binder JR FB(JR FB 01082016 2-5).pdf 7142 - 7286

Kate, Scout and Nin Thank you so much for scanning, uploading them to google and labeling all these pic's :bow:
This makes it so easy to see what I'm looking for without having to go through them all. That was a lot of work! Please know that you ALL are appreciated. :heart:

 

[KateB]

Kate, Thank you so much for labeling this pic's :bow:
This makes it so easy to see what I'm looking for without having to go through them all. That was a lot of work! Please know that you are appreciated. :heart:

I did the bates numbers and Scout did the descriptions. But you're welcome. It was a team effort between NIN, Scout and myself. Thanks go to both of them, too.

 

[Dmacky]

I did the bates numbers and Scout did the descriptions. But you're welcome. It was a team effort between NIN, Scout and myself. Thanks go to both of them, too.

well you guys make a great team! Shout out to Scout and Nin I will surely include them !! I'm going to edit my post. :wink:

 

[TrueCrimeAddict55]

Thank you so much for the warm welcome! It is embarrassing for me to admit that I spent (wasted) so much of my time with a narcissist. It makes me feel better to know that others have experienced the same here. Narcissists are also very charming, and move quickly into relationships. (it was mentioned somewhere that MS and TS got married just a few months after her divorce). Although I am no where near the intelligence level that TS had, I understand how one can be "duped" so quickly into thinking this is the love of their life. I forgot to mention how a narcissist feels NO EMPATHY for anyone. Everything is all about themselves all the time. It was mentioned that MS had said at her funeral eulogy, "I am the luckiest man alive", however, the report did not say what else he had said. IMO, he meant "I'm the luckiest man alive because I'm going to collect MILLIONS soon". As far as the garbage bags outside the house, there were at least 10, and my thought too was that it was things that belonged to TS. Since a narcissist feels NO EMPATHY, they move on quickly. I've read that narcissists can be cured with intense psycho therapy, however, I am very skeptical about that.

Great post TrueCrimeAddict55! In a short paragraph you really summed up how dangerous a sociopathic narcissist can be. It's a personality disorder that most often cannot be cured. I too was married to a narcissist and he displayed the symptoms you describe. Fortunately he wasn't sociopathic or violent. Just a pain to live with. I wonder f all those bags you described contained TS belongings i.e. clothing etc. Wecome to WS!


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[SeesSeas]

The paper titled How Trauma Impacts the Brain appears to be on the top left side of TS’s desk.
The subtitle of the paper is Talking points from seminar for Rachel’s Vineyard Ministries.

Rachel’s Vineyard website has these words on the home page:
Healing the pain of abortion – one weekend at a time.

The paper is probably a part of TS’s volunteer work at Our Mother’s Home in Fort Myers.

I don’t see Bates numbers on the photos of the complete desk view (of what appears to be TS’s desk), but they are 10 and 11 (of 40) in this file:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8djZSV0dIMXNsck0/view?pref=2&pli=1

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/Downloads/Canada Conference 08/TextOfBrainPP.pdf
How Trauma Impacts the Brain
Talking points from seminar for Rachel’s Vineyard Ministries
Excerpts – Page 5:
Allow them to fulfill the urge to love their child, which they never were able to do.
The bereavement dolls, lighting candles, naming the babies, expressing tenderness. These are all
important things.
Once you can control what you could not do during the trauma, once you can take the action you
need to protect yourself, and once you’re able to re-center and re-focus yourself, you'll move on.
The trauma is no longer interesting or a point of obsession.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B717FUtKwdU8YXRFM0k0MnlkOG8&usp=drive_web

Apologies. I cannot read the Bates #. The pics are out of order. It is in the group of pictures that are the last batch on the second line on my lappy. It is the img01082016_0004.pdf batch. The first photo of the batch shows a small hairbrush and a pink cosmetic type bag with black dots along with a black bag with a juice bottle resting on it that has a green top. This references the next to the last photo (pic 38 of 40).

The photo appears to be taken from the top of MS's desk. The title on the first page of the stack of papers is "How Trauma Impacts the Brain". I would agree that Dr. Sievers' two daughters are highly traumatized by the murder of their mother. May Peace be with them.

Google took me to this document of the same name.

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/Downloads/Canada Conference 08/TextOfBrainPP.pdf

 

[FelicityLemon]

Let's hope they fingerprinted those papers about head trauma!

If it was TS reading it, it's possible it's research for treating one of her patients.

Yessssss, fingerprints, please! So many thoughts. Whose defense will be that they are suffering from the effects of head trauma? CWW from the steel plate in his head as a result of repeated injuries of cage fighting? MS himself?

Or...research for murder. If so, more evidence of the idiocy.

 

[human]

A kindle?

Do you mean the white one? That probably is an iPad as I see the wire is broken exactly at the spot all of my cords die.

The black charger looks like the charger I have for a foreign cell phone like I have here where I live where the elec is 240

 

[human]

I just have to wonder if the 3rd party might get away with it after all, reflected by the jovial bon-vivant attitude to the neighbors, smiling and waving, knowing the BFF and he may have a "pact", like a blood pact till death. ....We've seen this happen before I'm sure. There is no hard evidence linking to anyone other then #1 & #2 perps or "alleged" perps

Kind of like this one:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...37de47554123311edcd33cc1o1&ajaxhist=0&first=1

Psychopaths think they will get away with their crimes.

http://m.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Psychopath

 

[Maxine2U]

I agree with the person who said the article on brain trauma was on TS's desk. MS's desk, I THINK, is in what looks like an office or study that even Fred Sanford would have been afraid of. Actually, this made me mad, because MS gets this whole room to store his garbage and TS just has this tiny desk in a "public" room of the house, looked like maybe a den or formal living room.

 

[DeDee]

Just to be clear about brain trauma discussion. The stack of papers on TSs desk have to do with PTSD not head trauma but brain trauma. The two Sievers' daughters, imho, are experiencing PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which was the information garnered from the link. The girls apparently have seen a psychologist who presented these documents to MS as an aid for assisting the girls cope with their PTSD. Nothing to do with CWW at all nor any of her patients.

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/Downloads/Canada Conference 08/TextOfBrainPP.pdf

To the best of my recollection, TS had stopped volunteering at Our Mother's Home recently prior to her death. I think she wanted to spend more time with her children as the neighbors had mentioned they saw her in the yard playing with her daughters in the past couple of months.

JMHOO

The paper titled How Trauma Impacts the Brain appears to be on the top left side of TS’s desk.
The subtitle of the paper is Talking points from seminar for Rachel’s Vineyard Ministries.

Rachel’s Vineyard website has these words on the home page:
Healing the pain of abortion – one weekend at a time.

The paper is probably a part of TS’s volunteer work at Our Mother’s Home in Fort Myers.

I don’t see Bates numbers on the photos of the complete desk view (of what appears to be TS’s desk), but they are 10 and 11 (of 40) in this file:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B717FUtKwdU8djZSV0dIMXNsck0/view?pref=2&pli=1

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/Downloads/Canada Conference 08/TextOfBrainPP.pdf
How Trauma Impacts the Brain
Talking points from seminar for Rachel’s Vineyard Ministries
Excerpts – Page 5:
Allow them to fulfill the urge to love their child, which they never were able to do.
The bereavement dolls, lighting candles, naming the babies, expressing tenderness. These are all
important things.
Once you can control what you could not do during the trauma, once you can take the action you
need to protect yourself, and once you’re able to re-center and re-focus yourself, you'll move on.
The trauma is no longer interesting or a point of obsession.

 

[SeesSeas]

Just to be clear about brain trauma discussion. The stack of papers on TSs desk have to do with PTSD not head trauma but brain trauma. The two Sievers' daughters, imho, are experiencing PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which was the information garnered from the link. The girls apparently have seen a psychologist who presented these documents to MS as an aid for assisting the girls cope with their PTSD. Nothing to do with CWW at all nor any of her patients.

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/Downloads/Canada Conference 08/TextOfBrainPP.pdf
JMHOO

The paper on TS’s desk has nothing to do with CWW or MS or the girls or a psychologist for the family. The photo of the paper on TS’s desk titled How Trauma Impacts the Brain is part of the crime scene photos.
Therefore, this paper was on TS’s desk when she died.
As I previously wrote, the paper is probably a part of TS’s volunteer work at Our Mother’s Home in Fort Myers. There, she had mentored girls who had PTSD from various traumas, including abortion.

 

[DeDee]

The paper on TS’s desk has nothing to do with CWW or MS or the girls or a psychologist for the family. The photo of the paper on TS’s desk titled How Trauma Impacts the Brain is part of the crime scene photos.
Therefore, this paper was on TS’s desk when she died.
As I previously wrote, the paper is probably a part of TS’s volunteer work at Our Mother’s Home in Fort Myers. There, she had mentored girls who had PTSD from various traumas, including abortion.

OK. I stand corrected in that the papers have no bearing on the daughters' being treated by a psychologist for PTSD.

Edited to add: FWIW: I still believe TS had left Our Mother's Home several months prior to her death.

 

[No it's not]

Kate, Scout and Nin Thank you so much for scanning, uploading them to google and labeling all these pic's :bow:
This makes it so easy to see what I'm looking for without having to go through them all. That was a lot of work! Please know that you ALL are appreciated. :heart:

Oh no, that was Kate and Scout doing the index work! I only uploaded the files. Thank you both!!!:yourock:

-Nin:guitar:

 

[1&2&3]

Bates #28063 (and surrounding pictures) A laptop sleeve with various small items found in TS's bag. Did she take a laptop on the trip?

View attachment 87013

What could this charger be for? Not her iPhone. IIRC LE specifically asked MS's defense attorney in writing if TS was carrying any other devices on her trip. Maybe she only had the laptop (photographed in her office area) charger in her bag, but left the computer at home?View attachment 87015

This white charger is identical to the charger for my iPad Air.

 

[jenves]

The white charger cord is the style used for any iPhone or iPod version 5 or higher and newer iPads. To tell the difference between whether it's a phone charger for phone or ipad look at the adapter
Phone's and iPods come standard with Apple 5W USB Power Adapter. iPads and come with Apple 12W USB Power Adapter which is much larger in size. MacBooks also have different adaptors and cords.

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Above is iPad and below is iPod/iPhone

Without seeing the side of the black cord that would stick into device I cannot decide what it is for. Honestly, I have a mini fan by my bed that has a cord very similar. So it could be anything these days.

 

[DexterMorgan]

New tablets use simple usb cords as well.

So maybe she just used the laptop sleeve to secure all small electronic equipment for carry on purposes. Jmo

 

[jenves]

It could also be a camera charger?

 

[Dmacky]

It shouldn't be that difficult to check their birth certificates to see who each one lists was the mother and the father. IIRC, there was less than 9 months between each one's birthdates, so it may be more likely that they are indeed "brothers from another mother" and do have the same father. Anyone here good at searching public records in Missouri?

Believe me, I thought the same thing at one time.
From everything I've read even from way back (somewhere?), these two didn't look similar at all until they got much older and started balding and/or shaved their heads and started wearing glasses. Even Skinner, who hadn't seen CWW in over 10 years didn't think they resembled each other. I'll bet he does NOW, since he's seen the newest pictures of the duo. I don't recall the last time he has actually seen MS either?

Maybe a lot of men look similar with no hair, glasses and mustache's? I just don't think it's worth us sleuthing at this point. But they sure seemed to enjoy looking alike, that's for sure.