2016.05.17 Batch 6 Discovery Docs ***GRAPHIC Content***

[Frigga]

I thought in the CK interview it was a Beth mentioned and now we have this Barb.

This Barb- first off- at least for me it doesn't seem like she is very interested in Mark (per se). She seems to need and appreciate his support but I can tell she's not that into him. She is busy, a lot- at the gym, which is so weird because she's obviously financially strapped, certainly in some legal trouble and can't find a job. Her priorities in more ways then one are very screwed up. I hope she has found her way since her days with Mark.

Another poster suggested watching his grooming practice unfold and I agree.

Amazonrain shared his way of coming onto a lady- if she took the bait then he was thrilled (and serious), if she didn't- it was a joke and he moved on. When Susnoat talks about their (CWW and MS) early (somewhat perverse) sexual competitions (in my mind) I am taken back in my mind to some of my early High school years where a group of college guys would throw noon keg parties and invite a group of girls I was a part of, we were 15-16 years old and they were 22-26ish. I look back now and I recognize how predatory the two ring leaders (apartment owners) were and how they completely and knowingly took advantage of some of the underage girls in my group by getting them drunk and having their way with them- sexually.

Mark is a predator and predators groom. Those girls were taken from him in the nick of time.

 

[Dmacky]

Many thanks to all members who are posting what are in the documents. I don't have
a google account, but I was going to make one right before my computer was hi-jacked by windows 10
Apparently it doesn't matter if you want it or not, because it's happening regardless. I had closed every single 100 PLUS ads/boxes for a "FREE" windows 10 upgrade. While I am still trying to navigate my way around W10, your posts are very much appreciated.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Bates 37141

On Lines 105 & 106, MS calls TS but the two lines have different numbers for her. I wonder if one of the numbers was programmed to display "Seivers Teresa" but really wasn't her phone. Or do we know that TS had two different phone numbers?

Line 105 - Outgoing - To: 17274217736 - Seivers Teresa - 6/29/2015 6:45:22
Line 106 - Outgoing - To: 2393909797 - Seivers Teresa - 6/28/2016 5:34:33

(both FaceTime)

Sorry for any confusion. I Googled the 239 number and it is/was their home phone. Kind of strange that he was calling his own home on 6/28, though.

 

[human]

Just thinking back to what a young child said about her mommie's ___________ looking _________ when when she saw her daddy naked. *shuddering*

Young child knew enough about her parent's sexual behavior to know that
1) mommie's breasts looked a certain way while aroused
2) knew it happened when her daddy was naked because she SAW her daddy naked
3) knew that it was 'private' because otherwise why would a child be concerned that someone else might hear her say that to her daddy

I realize some parents are pretty free with their nudity (not mine, thank heavens) but for their children to be aware of the physical changes in anatomy when aroused - is that normal?

Maybe I'm just squeamish, but I think that is just soooo beyond inappropriate, imo. What on earth went on in that house?

Am I prudish for thinking that's disturbing?

I am very disturbed by that and other comments. In Minnesota, I believe it is sexual abuse if you allow children to watch sex acts.

And what was the comment about MS and the children bathing?

The children will probably never see the things on the net. I was involved in some kind of activist things about ten years ago and none if it is on the net anymore. As info increases, there will be less and less going back urars, I imagine.

 

[Jessicades]

Beginning in Bates 37795 and into 37796- Marks interaction with a man I can only assume might be Marks little sister Jam's boyfriend- the one that couldn't stay at Bonnie's because Curtis and Angie were staying there (whiskey tango foxtrot).

This man is a jeweler- anyway Mark has him make a mothers ring for Teresa- says he sends a check, then a few texts further 'he typed and printed the check but didn't actually send it.
I think that may have been an ex-in-law or former spouse of his little sister. The last name of the guy he was talking to was the same as his sister's ex-husband.

Then soon after he says the center stone fell out, and tells the guy just like another ' mothers ring' he bought Teresa did (he even writes the amount of $$ he paid for that ring and it was obviously much less then what he paid this guy- total dig).

Then the guy goes into the bad shape Marks little sister is in- she needs all sorts of help with car, tire and household repairs and can Mark pitch in?

Of course not- don't you know how EXPENSIVE it is to run a business?

GMAB- and no, he can spend $800+ on a second mothers ring... he can give money to his mistress and God knows who else, for what else but can't help his sick, baby sister.

The guy later says she needs rehab but Mark has nothing to say. This family is beyond the norm and sick, sick, sick. She's severely anorexic, I know all about it- and especially what it can stem from. I hope she got/gets help.

I think that may have been an ex-in-law or former spouse of his little sister. The last name of the guy he was talking to was the same as his sister's ex-husband.

 

[AmandaSkis]

Totally serious question: If the practice had a brilliant, genius IT guy named CWW, why the he^^ is TS constantly texting MS about the crappy Internet, slow server, non-opening Word docs, and passwords not working??

Sheesh. At some point, TS needed to take control of this. Why have an IT person who can't fix any of this??

 

[Jessicades]

So many of these texts infuriate me. The level of passive aggressive ******** is unbelievable. It was the job of MS to manage the home and the office and although he was fully capable of keeping track of the personal lives of his mistresses he couldn't keep a pantry or fridge stocked with the things that are mentioned over and over and over? He couldn't make sure that bills were paid on time so that Teresa didn't have to worry if her credit card would clear when having a business lunch? And her account was in the NEGATIVE and she had to ask him to make sure money was deposited?? Are you KIDDING me? He couldn't ensure that the computers and printers were operational?? CWW and MS were clearly messing with the computers - Teresa is continually talking about how they aren't running right and are slowing down her practice. And don't get me started on the CONSTANT interruptions to her day and then acting like there is something wrong with Teresa getting irritated.

Teresa was clearly tiring of his controlling and passive aggressive ways - she mentions both. And this dog and pony show of the hapless husband with the hurt feelings - it just makes me sick. He was literally running her into the ground. And when death by a million tiny paper cuts wasn't quick enough or effective enough - he brought in the goons.

So infuriating and so sad.

There was several times when she asked Mark if he was logged onto her account, and he assured her he wasn't. I think you are on point about CWW messing with the computer. The money problems seemed to be more prominent in the last few months, makes me wonder if money was being taken courtesy of the "computer genius."

 

[Frigga]

Has anyone come across texts back and forth with Lenka?

I find it strange- if not. They both homeschooled at the same time and had monthly play dates- wasn't it like every three weeks?

 

[human]

I live in a foreign country- Third World. My neighbor had a good job. Teacher and director of a school. He has a wife and two kids. But never any money. We wondered where it went. ( he is in orison for sexual molestation).

He was paying the rent and food for his sexual buddies.

It does not seem that Mark was spending much money on his women, So where is it? CWW is in a trailer.

The money was used somehow.

 

[Frigga]

I am a stay at home mom of 3 children.

My hubby makes decent money, we are not rich, we have a fun and exciting life but I find their life really weird.

Mark's life was one of beaches, pools, leisure, dinners, restaurants, catering food for small parties at their house- lunches, recitals, practices and hotels.

He couldn't even keep up on the normal mundane stuff. It is absolutely bizarre.

I have so much more that I want to say but for now- I'm in shock.

 

[Oregonmama]

Still waiting for the drug selling docs

 

[beach]

Has anyone come across texts back and forth with Lenka?

I find it strange- if not. They both homeschooled at the same time and had monthly play dates- wasn't it like every three weeks?

I haven't but these are not all the texts and, of course, some names & #s are redacted. I believe MANY texts have not been released yet. We know there were probably hundreds between MS & CWW from their primary phones, long before the murder. IIRC, early it was confirmed they communicated daily for years. And there are others I'm fairly confident we're missing.

SAO strategy of what/when they choose to release - There's a method to their madness. Actually, I'm fascinated just watching them strategize. Very impressive.

 

[MsJosie]

I live in a foreign country- Third World. My neighbor had a good job. Teacher and director of a school. He has a wife and two kids. But never any money. We wondered where it went. ( he is in orison for sexual molestation).

He was paying the rent and food for his sexual buddies.

It does not seem that Mark was spending much money on his women, So where is it? CWW is in a trailer.

The money was used somehow.

Hidden somewhere....maybe with BS, off shore accounts, buried?

 

[FelicityLemon]

I live in a foreign country- Third World. My neighbor had a good job. Teacher and director of a school. He has a wife and two kids. But never any money. We wondered where it went. ( he is in orison for sexual molestation).

He was paying the rent and food for his sexual buddies.

It does not seem that Mark was spending much money on his women, So where is it? CWW is in a trailer.

The money was used somehow.

I'd be looking at phone bills for 976 numbers.

 

[MsJosie]

So these texts, sex calendars and other info is now public. If we are digusted, sick, etc. from what we read and what the girls may have seen....those in jail with MS, they now know too. Word gets around fast I bet. I wonder what the other prisoners think of MS...he may not be liked at all....is MS in solitary? Can anyone tell from jail house info?

 

[Oregonmama]

I haven't but these are not all the texts and, of course, some names & #s are redacted. I believe MANY texts have not been released yet. We know there were probably hundreds between MS & CWW from their primary phones, long before the murder. IIRC, early it was confirmed they communicated daily for years. And there are others I'm fairly confident we're missing.

SAO strategy of what/when they choose to release - There's a method to their madness. Actually, I'm fascinated just watching them strategize. Very impressive.

Beach, If possible, it would be nice to have a separate thread re SAO and how they work and how they might handle the case strategically. Each state is different

 

[DexterMorgan]

So many of these texts infuriate me. The level of passive aggressive ******** is unbelievable. It was the job of MS to manage the home and the office and although he was fully capable of keeping track of the personal lives of his mistresses he couldn't keep a pantry or fridge stocked with the things that are mentioned over and over and over? He couldn't make sure that bills were paid on time so that Teresa didn't have to worry if her credit card would clear when having a business lunch? And her account was in the NEGATIVE and she had to ask him to make sure money was deposited?? Are you KIDDING me? He couldn't ensure that the computers and printers were operational?? CWW and MS were clearly messing with the computers - Teresa is continually talking about how they aren't running right and are slowing down her practice. And don't get me started on the CONSTANT interruptions to her day and then acting like there is something wrong with Teresa getting irritated.

Teresa was clearly tiring of his controlling and passive aggressive ways - she mentions both. And this dog and pony show of the hapless husband with the hurt feelings - it just makes me sick. He was literally running her into the ground. And when death by a million tiny paper cuts wasn't quick enough or effective enough - he brought in the goons.

So infuriating and so sad.

Agree. He documents everything but the arguments and bill deficits and everything he needs to do to make it right.

Now TS sister said TS called her in frustration about how ms let the taxes go bad.

Does anyone remember when Annie said this call took place. Was it in 2014 or 2015.

Now I think that TS got more frustrated at 2015 tax time and that was the straw.

So the murder plan may have started in feb or march of 2015.

I'm sure ms googled how to get away with murder as well. Maybe it was on the office computers. Idk.

 

[Oregonmama]

Really sad that TS had to ask for her own money. Mark messed up big time in regards to payroll. He did that to Sandra in the office. she was very much in the negative in her bank account because Mark messed up her payroll dates.

 

[human]

I wonder when he first decided to kill her?

 

[Frigga]

I thought I remembered the supposed sale of the building the practice was in stood to make millions- or something to that affect.

I read texts (sorry- no bates #'s but I'll be better in the future) between he and a man interested in their units (he and Teresa owned 5 of 45 units- IIRC).The guy seemed genuinely interested (dents) and when push came to shove Mark said he had to give the current owners or majority owners first right of refusal (or something like that) and when all was said and done in the final say- Mark was asking for $20,000.00!

I think Mark made a bunch of very foolish property purchases (their home and land, his MO home and part of the office building) that in the end- more than any other thing- bled them dry.