2016.06.27 Batch 7 ***Some Graphic Content***

[DaleTray]

I have heard about cloning but assumed it would be a complicated process. I just went Googling a learned some interesting facts. Sounds like it is growing rampant...especially in the drug trade. Cell providers claim they are losing $600-900 million annually in the US. Example: I pay $45.00 monthly for unlimited calls and 5GB data. I normally use only approx .5/GB data monthly as I am usually using a wifi connection for data. I could have a gf/wife clone a different phone using my cell phone data. It would appear to my cell phone provider only 1 phone was using their service towers. As long as gf/wife cell and my cell didn't exceed the 5GB data I wouldnt know, but more importantly, the cell provider wouldn't know, therefore saving my gf/wife from a monthly cell phone fee. In essence, it would be the same as if you had a neighbor living VERY close to you, say maybe a condo with a shared wall. If someone ran a coaxial cable from neighbor to your house you could eliminate a monthly cable fee. But w cloning it is all done wireless. But more importantly, the cloner would have access to the true subscribers stored cell data. I am guessing this is becoming a huge problem for cell providers and they are working silently behind the scenes to solve this security/fraud issue without bringing notice to current potential.
https://www.movzio.com/howto/cell-phone-cloning-guide/

 

[TrueCrimeAddict55]

I have no doubt that MS () was somehow cloning TS's phone and making it look like messages were from her, when in reality, they were from his own phone.

I believe the "hot spot" reference is really directions on how to make her phone and Ipad a "hot spot" through their wireless carrier (instead of the internet provider at the office). Most wireless companies (and smartphones) have an option to switch to "hot spot" so other computers can connect to the internet through the "hot spot" that was created. I have Sprint, and I can set my phone up as a "hot spot" using Sprint's network, and other computers can then also connect through the hot spot. Sprint charges a lot extra for this usage. (I hope this makes sense)

BTW - I've seen references in this latest document dump that the office internet was through Century Link. There's a standing joke here in SW FL, that it's called Century Link because it takes a CENTURY to open a LINK. We had Century Link our first year here, and their internet is slower then the turtle I seen crossing our street yesterday. :tantrum:

 

[curiousaries]

Since his good old buddy was the IT guy. I would find it rather odd if he wasn't able to get her log in credentials to access all her info, including her iPhone (iTunes account).

Exactly, I think TS trusted him completely with all that info and didn't they already share an email account? I remember reading references that she asked him to check the email account. Sorry I can't remember where it was located. Plus I think if MS we're going to try to spy on her he would use a keylogger hidden in one of those computers copying everything that was typed into it. Most of the Bluetooth pairing or software used for remote service that technicians use lets the user know that the other person is connected while they are using it. An example would be LogMeIn or TeamViewer. Cloning of a cell would take it to a new level technically that I believe MS wouldn't be capable of without CW. Those instructions wouldn't be written down.

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[GutInstinct]

Just FYI,

Mobile Phones: I have Verizon, and am the account owner (bill in my name). I pay extra monthly charges that (1) allow me to track my children's mobile device location, and (2) see a record of all texts and emails. I DO NOT see the content of those texts and phone calls, but I can see the number called or number calling in, the date, time and length of call or text. It's very easy to do and one one of the family safety plans Verizon offers. The feature is transparent.

Computer, Laptops and Tablets (not including mobile phones). We have multiple computers, laptops and tablets in our family. However, as the manager/owner/administrator of the network - everything is wireless via wireless router - I have control and access to view all content on any of these devices (again, not mobile phones). Again, it is a simple thing to do. It takes nothing more than giving 'shared' access across all devices. I can't read email (nor would I want to), but this - 'no charge' access is a simple and standard feature that anyone can enable on their home network as it is primarily a method to share/access documents, files, photos across all devices.

I have no idea about the cloning or burner phones. However, as a marketing professional in the high tech sector for 30 years, I learned very early on that every keystroke, every phone call, every text, every social media entry, every search on any device, every IM, IS PERMANENT INK somewhere, whether you delete it or not. That is why I taught my children at their earliest age this exact point - and today I lecture to college students about cleaning up (I suggest deleting all and starting out fresh with professional posts) their social media profiles and everything/anything associated with their online presence.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

...The kiddies should have been in school and he should have been at a real job.
Because it's not like he did anything else besides use his free time for plotting on how to mess up her money while he stashes 40k in the safe....

Ahh, he did do more. He had s@xcapades with IMO vulnerable prey. And to the best of his ability he wished each woman in this world happy mothers day. When I think of ms I think of the putrid stench of roadkill which includes a few skunks.

 

[Dmacky]

KM or AW/CWW?

Bates # 38382

-Nin

That is not AW's cell. (or at least not the one we know about).

See KM's statement 2 (linked here). Bates 5279 (pdf p.18)

Many thanks to Nin for providing ALL of the screen shots from Batch 7 :blowkiss:
It's not Angela's number, but I guarantee the Moran's phone was used by CWW all 5 times. What a perfect opportunity to be with Angela at her parents house and grab either KM's or EM's cellphone to give MS a call. After all, the last call made was June 13, just 2 weeks before the murder. He couldn't very well text MS to go to the "other" and then pull out another phone from his pocket in front of AW and her parents. The Moran's are busy taking care of Angela's grandchildren, (one with special needs) I highly doubt they carry their cellphone's around with them. Possibly just kept them on a table, or cabinet countertop. There are other excuses he could have used to help account for some of the 5 times...such as his battery was dead, or he picked it up by mistake (thought it was his) :no:
CWW calling Mark wouldn't have been anything to cause a red flag to AW. He might have then used the excuse "the kids are too loud" to go outside and finish his conversation. MOO


It took me forever, but I finally found the post I've looking for from Batch 6.

Bates 37141 - date 6/23/2015 Incoming call at 2: 42 PM from "Moran Wideman, Kathy & Ed" Length: 6 minutes 13 seconds FaceTime

Would this possibly be Angela Wright's cellphone that her parents provided for her?

Wow great catch AlwaysShocked ~
Hmm
So it looks like CWW called MS using AW's phone on the Tuesday (6-23-2015) BEFORE he left on Saturday (6-27-15) to kill her. And face time at that. Maybe to confirm? Ask if MS still wanted it done?

I guess since the owner of the phone number was "Moran Wideman, Kathy & Ed" and not Wright, he thought it would be a safe way to call...probably didn't have his burner handy.

This gem AlwaysShocked found just sealed the deal for me that CWW was the one using the Moran's phone. (Not that I ever had any doubt)

 

[DaleTray]

Many thanks to Nin for providing ALL of the screen shots from Batch 7 :blowkiss:
It's not Angela's number, but I guarantee the Moran's phone was used by CWW all 5 times. What a perfect opportunity to be with Angela at her parents house and grab either KM's or EM's cellphone to give MS a call. After all, the last call made was June 13, just 2 weeks before the murder. He couldn't very well text MS to go to the "other" and then pull out another phone from his pocket in front of AW and her parents. The Moran's are busy taking care of Angela's grandchildren, (one with special needs) I highly doubt they carry their cellphone's around with them. Possibly just kept them on a table, or cabinet countertop. There are other excuses he could have used to help account for some of the 5 times...such as his battery was dead, or he picked it up by mistake (thought it was his) :no:
CWW calling Mark wouldn't have been anything to cause a red flag to AW. He might have then used the excuse "the kids are too loud" to go outside and finish his conversation. MOO


It took me forever, but I finally found the post I've looking for from Batch 6.

This gem AlwaysShocked found just sealed the deal for me that CWW was the one using the Moran's phone. (Not that I ever had any doubt)

I am curious as to what makes you think it was CWW making these 5 calls. Maybe I am missing something, but we know burners existed. I am guessing if CWW/MS needed to have a discussion in the days between CWW wedding and the murder it would be done via burner. I think it being a Face Time and the fact it's a 6 min and 13 seconds could possibly bring other factors into play. Pure speculation from me.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I am curious as to what makes you think it was CWW making these 5 calls. Maybe I am missing something, but we know burners existed. I am guessing if CWW/MS needed to have a discussion in the days between CWW wedding and the murder it would be done via burner. I think it being a Face Time and the fact it's a 6 min and 13 seconds could possibly bring other factors into play. Pure speculation from me.

Yes, this is a good point. And after MS had gone to the expense to purchase and send the burner phone(s) to CWW, I would think if MS received a call from CWW on AW's phone he would NOT stay on that phone for 6 minutes.

So you're thinking there is a possibility that it was AW making these calls to MS? For phone sex? Using Face Time so they could view each others' bits and pieces? Did these two have a history of dating from years before or was it CWW and AW who had the history? Or was it both men?

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Yes, this is a good point. And after MS had gone to the expense to purchase and send the burner phone(s) to CWW, I would think if MS received a call from CWW on AW's phone he would NOT stay on that phone for 6 minutes.

So you're thinking there is a possibility that it was AW making these calls to MS? For phone sex? Using Face Time so they could view each others' bits and pieces? Did these two have a history of dating from years before or was it CWW and AW who had the history? Or was it both men?

Do burner phones have the ability to do FaceTime? What if MS used FaceTime with CWW to show him where certain things in the house were located. Sort of giving him instructions for the hit.

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[human]

Facetime is for Apple products. I do not think Apple makes burner phones.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Facetime is for Apple products. I do not think Apple makes burner phones.

Thanks, so maybe that might explain why CWW used his wife's phone to call MS for FaceTime. .

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[MsJosie]

I sure would like another doc dump raying:

 

[Hoosgirl]

Yoo hoo, Beach, would love to hear more from your doc review! No pressure or anything. We're a totally patient bunch as you know lol.

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[DaleTray]

Do burner phones have the ability to do FaceTime? What if MS used FaceTime with CWW to show him where certain things in the house were located. Sort of giving him instructions for the hit.

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Burners could have the capability of Face Time but doubt that is the route MS went when making burner purchases. Usually when purchasing a burner the cheapest model is purchased as they will be hastily discarded once their usefulness has been used. Since Face Time can only be used on an Apple Iphone (one of the most expensive cell phones) I highly doubt cell being used from MO was a burner. But actually, we know it wasnt a burner being used in MO for this 6 min 13 seconds video call as we know the account holder in MO who pays the phone bill. The purpose usually, (especially for MS/CWW) is to remain anonymous and not be tracked) The name is listed on MS cell transaction on post #246 above this post. I guess it possibly could have been AW Face Timing with MS but she was madly in love and still honeymooning phase and I sort of doubt it was AW.
The cell phone # posted above on post# 246 is an I Phone # I have never seen before. When LE was doing all their interviews in July 2015, LE started interviews asking for the best # to reach the interviewee. If you look at #'s that have been provided to LE about AWW/CWW/KM/EM, none provided are the cell # listed on post #246.
Now that I think about it, my question now is, would it have to be an IPhone? I have an Android cell but do use an Apple Ipad tablet for work. I have used the Ipad for Face Timing but I don't know if when I Face Time someone it would appear on the recipients phone transactions. I dont think it would. It would appear on the Apple devices records on the Face Time video conference w details of when and duration of conference but doubtful it would show my phone # unless I had a phone # attached to my Itunes account (which I don't).

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Burners could have the capability of Face Time but doubt that is the route MS went when making burner purchases. Usually when purchasing a burner the cheapest model is purchased as they will be hastily discarded once their usefulness has been used. Since Face Time can only be used on an Apple Iphone (one of the most expensive cell phones) I highly doubt cell being used from MO was a burner. But actually, we know it wasnt a burner being used in MO for this 6 min 13 seconds video call as we know the account holder in MO who pays the phone bill. The purpose usually, (especially for MS/CWW) is to remain anonymous and not be tracked) The name is listed on MS cell transaction on post #246 above this post. I guess it possibly could have been AW Face Timing with MS but she was madly in love and still honeymooning phase and I sort of doubt it was AW.
The cell phone # posted above on post# 246 is an I Phone # I have never seen before. When LE was doing all their interviews in July 2015, LE started interviews asking for the best # to reach the interviewee. If you look at #'s that have been provided to LE about AWW/CWW/KM/EM, none provided are the cell # listed on post #246.
Now that I think about it, my question now is, would it have to be an IPhone? I have an Android cell but do use an Apple Ipad tablet for work. I have used the Ipad for Face Timing but I don't know if when I Face Time someone it would appear on the recipients phone transactions. I dont think it would. It would appear on the Apple devices records on the Face Time video conference w details of when and duration of conference but doubtful it would show my phone # unless I had a phone # attached to my Itunes account (which I don't).

Actually we have an Ipad and it has its own phone number that is reflected on the telephone bill when used. An Ipad would be best for FaceTime vs a cell phone because of course of the bigger screen. I am of the opinion the 6 min FaceTime was between CWW and MS for the purposes of discussing details of TS murder.

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[human]

Facetime is free with the iPad. I use it to communicate with my kids and I am international, Zero charge for anyone

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Facetime is free with the iPad. I use it to communicate with my kids and I am international, Zero charge for anyone

But doesn't it show up on the bill as a zero charge, just like each number you call on your cell phone is listed whether there is a charge or not?

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[beach]

Yoo hoo, Beach, would love to hear more from your doc review! No pressure or anything. We're a totally patient bunch as you know lol.

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Promise! I am working on another project right now but I am going to post some more findings I found interesting and enlightening either later tonight or tomorrow.

 

[beach]

Many thanks to Nin for providing ALL of the screen shots from Batch 7 :blowkiss:
It's not Angela's number, but I guarantee the Moran's phone was used by CWW all 5 times. What a perfect opportunity to be with Angela at her parents house and grab either KM's or EM's cellphone to give MS a call. After all, the last call made was June 13, just 2 weeks before the murder. He couldn't very well text MS to go to the "other" and then pull out another phone from his pocket in front of AW and her parents. The Moran's are busy taking care of Angela's grandchildren, (one with special needs) I highly doubt they carry their cellphone's around with them. Possibly just kept them on a table, or cabinet countertop. There are other excuses he could have used to help account for some of the 5 times...such as his battery was dead, or he picked it up by mistake (thought it was his) :no:
CWW calling Mark wouldn't have been anything to cause a red flag to AW. He might have then used the excuse "the kids are too loud" to go outside and finish his conversation. MOO


It took me forever, but I finally found the post I've looking for from Batch 6.



This gem AlwaysShocked found just sealed the deal for me that CWW was the one using the Moran's phone. (Not that I ever had any doubt)

I am curious as to what makes you think it was CWW making these 5 calls. Maybe I am missing something, but we know burners existed. I am guessing if CWW/MS needed to have a discussion in the days between CWW wedding and the murder it would be done via burner. I think it being a Face Time and the fact it's a 6 min and 13 seconds could possibly bring other factors into play. Pure speculation from me.

I need to read and review this more carefully but at first glance I am with Dale. Granted, you make a very valid argument, Dmacky about Wayne having opportunity to use KM's phone and I agree that is entirely possible. The only thing that gives me pause to fully buy in to this theory is because Mark and KM exchanged several texts beginning before Wayne's wedding and continuing until after Mark was back in FL. Give me a few minutes and I will grab the screenshots and Bates page #s. IIRC, Mark initiated all of those texts and KM responses were polite, but I didn't get the impression she wanted to maintain communication, iykwim.

 

[human]

But doesn't it show up on the bill as a zero charge, just like each number you call on your cell phone is listed whether there is a charge or not?

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I do not have a cell phone so not for me. Don't know about my kids who have smart phoned.