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eve said:
Well, Amraann, you said it yourself, dogs and small children are natural prey. This is an established neighborhood in Sarasota, a highly developed city. The kids in the neighborhood can't play in their back yards near the pond. I still think human lives are more valuable than an alligator's, with all due respect to nature. My brother contacted the authorities and they have your view. Until the gator does something they won't relocate it. That being the case, I hope my little niece and nephew aren't the cause of something finally being done! I would never suggest moving creatures for the annoyance factor. Kids (and adults) have been killed by gators. More than a mere annoyance. It's true, the humans moved in, but that's happened everywhere for centuries. We try to protect wildlife now, back in the old days, our ancestors would have blasted that gator, pronto.

Eve
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Eve,
I apologize for the tone of my post. IN re reading it it did not come acrossed the way I intended.

I personally do not feel the gators life should be valued more then a childs.

I was just relaying what I know Fish and Wildlife officials stand is on the subject. Not saying that I agree with it 100 %
The problem is they will not move a gator .. If its a threat then a tracker catches it and kills it .. They are paid by selling the meat and skin.

Now isn't it possible that this gator has become a menace??
Say for example a couple of people saw him eat a cat?
(hint hint)

I believe if the gator seems too comfortable around people (like its natrual fear is gone) and its over 4 foot long he would also be considered a threat.
Your son and his neighbors can also contact the city council and in general in light of recent attacks make a huge scene about it.
I think there is a valid arguement that if children cannot play in their yards then the gator is a threat. The entire houseing development should get together and complain until something is done.
 
All I know is that when a 4 year was attacked in a pond when I lived there it has stayed with me. Kids need to play and have a safe place to do it.It isn't enough that they have sexual predators on every block but have aggressive alligators too.

These women were not 4 year olds this says more.It says that one was stalked and dragged. Very aggressive IMO.
 
I do not believe the gator "stalked " her. I believe that is media sensationalism.
How exactly do they know the gator stalked her?
Without witnesses I must believe she did something. Or there was some factor involved that we don't know about.

There was a women a while back who tried to feed a gator and got bitten.

You would be surprised to hear how people are often not afraid of animals like this.

In one of the parks we lived in we had baby gators in the landscaped gardens.
Once they grew beyond 2-3 feet they usually moved on the larger bodies of water. As little things they would sun themselves along the path.
I watched several times as people would debate whether they were "real" or not and even on several occasions watched as people almost let their small children reach out to touch them.
I myself was the one who stopped the child.
This happend more then once.
 
Glad they caught that bad boy, DK! This one is even bigger!! WOW! You guys gotta check out this monster!

(Note: This 'big boy' had NOT attacked anyone)

700-Pound Alligator Pulled From Fla. Canal

http://www.local6.com/news/9237092/detail.html

UPDATED: 3:35 pm EDT May 18, 2006

A giant 700-pound, 12-foot-long alligator was captured and pulled from a Florida canal after fearful residents called for help, according to a Local 6 News report.

A crane and several men were needed to lift the alligator out of the canal located near Northwest 41st Street in Doral, Fla.

--> more and pix at link Check out that slideshow!
 
Liz, that thing is huge!!!! I have never seen a gator that big....more like a crocodile. It looks like it could swallow those men whole.Look at its snout...
 
concernedperson said:
Liz, that thing is huge!!!! I have never seen a gator that big....more like a crocodile. It looks like it could swallow those men whole.Look at its snout...
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Sure is, cp! I was thinking maybe it was partly due to an optical illusion due to the angle of the camera.

RiverRat - Thanks for sharing! Funny thing is we (me and Bro) had just been discussing this gator activity night before last, and he brought up the Peace River.
 
Amraann said:
Eve,
I apologize for the tone of my post. IN re reading it it did not come acrossed the way I intended.

I personally do not feel the gators life should be valued more then a childs.

I was just relaying what I know Fish and Wildlife officials stand is on the subject. Not saying that I agree with it 100 %
The problem is they will not move a gator .. If its a threat then a tracker catches it and kills it .. They are paid by selling the meat and skin.

Now isn't it possible that this gator has become a menace??
Say for example a couple of people saw him eat a cat?
(hint hint)

I believe if the gator seems too comfortable around people (like its natrual fear is gone) and its over 4 foot long he would also be considered a threat.
Your son and his neighbors can also contact the city council and in general in light of recent attacks make a huge scene about it.
I think there is a valid arguement that if children cannot play in their yards then the gator is a threat. The entire houseing development should get together and complain until something is done.
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Thanks, Amraann. :blowkiss: No worries!

You bring up some good points and ideas. Thanks, too, to all with suggestions for my 'lil bro. Sounds like there are some resources. I will share the info.

It's kind of the same with sex offenders, we can watch them but can't do anything to them til they offend/re-offend. I would say with a big gator in a pond near kids and pets, it could just be a matter of time before they wish they had re-located it. But maybe with all this publicity and the fatalities the powers that be will look at their policies. Or perhaps they already have.

Eve
 
concernedperson said:
Liz, that thing is huge!!!! I have never seen a gator that big....more like a crocodile. It looks like it could swallow those men whole.Look at its snout...
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Hard to believe that saltwater crocs can be twice that size, isn't it? :eek:

We should ask Narlacat about those, she is from Australia and probably an expert on such things, lol! (Sorry, carrying over from another thread.) :crazy:

I also think it was a bit of an optical illusion due to perspective and such. Happens a lot in pictures.
 
Nice pics, Amraann! Thanks for posting them.
 
Thanks Liz My daughter took them on a field trip a couple of weeks ago.
 
Amraann said:
Thanks Liz My daughter took them on a field trip a couple of weeks ago.
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Your daughter really did take some good pictures, Amraann, but they scared the heck out of me!! :eek: :) How far away was your daughter from those creatures?

I know you and your family live in Florida and are used to the wild life there, but have you ever been nervous about snakes and gators? I am scared to death of snakes! :eek: I would have to move RIGHT NOW if I had snakes in my yard. My husband is almost as bad as I am about snakes so I wouldn't have to convince him to move if we started seeing them in our yard! NOW gators would do me in, I would be off and running and wouldn't stop until I was miles and miles away! :)
 
Truth be told I am completely and totally phobic of snakes:) and Gators larger then 3 feet.

I have seen snakes in my yard .. This morning I saw a black racer. I know they are harmless so I try not to be afraid.

I was furious when I saw the pictures my daughter took. Although she is a great photographer I was none to happy that she was so close to those creatures.
THis wasn't some zoo she was at. This was just out in the Everglades.

TO answer your question YES I have been nervous of these things.
but due to hubby being a park ranger for 10 years ... I had the unique oppurtunity to meet people who work with or around these things so I tried very hard to educate myself about them. That really did help.
That is why I get so angry about the media sensationalizing lies like.... the gator stalked her.
We lived in one park that had a pond ... THe previous mentioned park with gators...
The pond was off limits to visitors but it was where all the cuttings and tree limbs etc went to be dumped. In piles next to it.
It was common knowledge that some very large gators lived in the pond.
We had a big storm so I was out helping out with clean up.
I had this little golf cart thing called an EZ go..
I drove it back to the pond to dump the pile of debree from a storm we had.
I was fully aware that my EZ go wasn't fully working. It would not go in reverse. I had all day been using this spot to turn around by the pond. It was about lunch time so I was bringing the last load to the pond...
Someone had dumped a pile in my turn around spot!!
So there I was stuck my cell phone had no reception ... no one was going to be coming back there anytime to to help me.
I thought "well, maybe I can move the pile" it was just limbs and leaves ..
When I went to touch it... it litterally slithered...
I should mention at same said park there was a 6 foot rattle snake in my front yard TWICE. soooooo touching the pile was out.
Walking out of there down a long wooded path right by the gators .. not going to happen either.
I was about to cry.. I somehow held myself together and managed to push, turn the EZ Go out of there.
After that ... I refused to ever use the EZ Go again when helping out. I, instead used a mini vehicle thing called a "Gator" LOLOL
(ps... Thank you John Deere for making the gator!! those things never break down like the EZGO)


About that snake..... I only even saw it because my wonderful golden retriever was at the living room window barking and growling like I had never heard. I have had him since he was 12 weeks old and you know how people can discern their babies cries? I think dogs barking are much the same... A different tone for different situations. I had never heard him bark like this, so it grabbed my attention. Usually when I tell him to hush he does without me repeating myself. Not this time.
So I call him my snake watch dog. Happily in the Keys there are no rattle snakes. I am not afraid of non-poisonus snakes. I mean I am not touching them or anything... but I am not freaking out if I see one.
Did you know that indigo snakes keep rattle snakes away?

I like indigo snakes! LOL well as much as I can "like" a snake.
 
"FWC officials receive more than 15,000 complaints about alligators in natural habitats, but also in people's swimming pools and garages. Officials remove more than 5,000 nuisance alligators every year.

An alligator is considered a nuisance when it is longer than 4 feet and posing a threat to people, pets or property. Smaller gators typically cannot eat anything larger than a small turtle, according to the FWC.

The Wrights' recent early-morning visitor was certainly a nuisance in one way.

"It was a shocker," Bob Wright said.

The Wrights never expected to see a 5-foot gator knocking on their front door, although no one would anticipate that. The Wrights, especially, wouldn't have predicted it because they live on a sea wall.

"You think you're safe because he's 4 to 5 feet down the wall," Wright said. "It's not like they can climb up rip-rap."

http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/052106/tp1ch5.htm?date=052106&story=tp1ch5.htm
 
Thanks for the article RiverRat.I had been trying to remember the name of the little girl that was snatched and it was in the article.

Erin Glover, 4 years old snatched by a 10' alligator in Charlotte County in 1988.
 
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE3D7123FF934A35755C0A96E948260

June 7, 1988

A 10 1/2-foot bull alligator leapt from a pond Saturday and killed a 4-year-old girl. Game officers fired five shots and killed the alligator about five hours later, after spotting it on the bank of Hidden Lake with the body of Erin Lynn Glover in its jaws.

A 10 1/2-foot bull alligator leapt from a pond Saturday and killed a 4-year-old girl. Game officers fired five shots and killed the alligator about five hours later, after spotting it on the bank of Hidden Lake with the body of Erin Lynn Glover in its jaws.

Erin was splashing through ankle-deep water along the residential lake with her brother, Justin, 8 years old, their dog and a neighbor boy on Saturday evening when the alligator sprang and seized the girl.
 
Amraann said:
Truth be told I am completely and totally phobic of snakes:) and Gators larger then 3 feet.

I have seen snakes in my yard .. This morning I saw a black racer. I know they are harmless so I try not to be afraid.

I was furious when I saw the pictures my daughter took. Although she is a great photographer I was none to happy that she was so close to those creatures.
THis wasn't some zoo she was at. This was just out in the Everglades.

TO answer your question YES I have been nervous of these things.
but due to hubby being a park ranger for 10 years ... I had the unique oppurtunity to meet people who work with or around these things so I tried very hard to educate myself about them. That really did help.
That is why I get so angry about the media sensationalizing lies like.... the gator stalked her.
We lived in one park that had a pond ... THe previous mentioned park with gators...
The pond was off limits to visitors but it was where all the cuttings and tree limbs etc went to be dumped. In piles next to it.
It was common knowledge that some very large gators lived in the pond.
We had a big storm so I was out helping out with clean up.
I had this little golf cart thing called an EZ go..
I drove it back to the pond to dump the pile of debree from a storm we had.
I was fully aware that my EZ go wasn't fully working. It would not go in reverse. I had all day been using this spot to turn around by the pond. It was about lunch time so I was bringing the last load to the pond...
Someone had dumped a pile in my turn around spot!!
So there I was stuck my cell phone had no reception ... no one was going to be coming back there anytime to to help me.
I thought "well, maybe I can move the pile" it was just limbs and leaves ..
When I went to touch it... it litterally slithered...
I should mention at same said park there was a 6 foot rattle snake in my front yard TWICE. soooooo touching the pile was out.
Walking out of there down a long wooded path right by the gators .. not going to happen either.
I was about to cry.. I somehow held myself together and managed to push, turn the EZ Go out of there.
After that ... I refused to ever use the EZ Go again when helping out. I, instead used a mini vehicle thing called a "Gator" LOLOL
(ps... Thank you John Deere for making the gator!! those things never break down like the EZGO)


About that snake..... I only even saw it because my wonderful golden retriever was at the living room window barking and growling like I had never heard. I have had him since he was 12 weeks old and you know how people can discern their babies cries? I think dogs barking are much the same... A different tone for different situations. I had never heard him bark like this, so it grabbed my attention. Usually when I tell him to hush he does without me repeating myself. Not this time.
So I call him my snake watch dog. Happily in the Keys there are no rattle snakes. I am not afraid of non-poisonus snakes. I mean I am not touching them or anything... but I am not freaking out if I see one.
Did you know that indigo snakes keep rattle snakes away?

I like indigo snakes! LOL well as much as I can "like" a snake.[/I]
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Wow!! Thanks for sharing your experiences with us. I just can't begin to imagine what I would have done when that pile "slithered away"--I would probably have fainted. :chicken:

No, I didn't know that indigo snakes keep rattle snakes away--I don't know much about snakes except that I am scared to death of them! :p When I do my walking I really keep my eyes open when I am on the green belt (paved paths through the woods) because you do sometimes see snakes. I don't have a clue what kind they are--but they are sometimes REAL long! Unless I am with a walking partner, I use the street or side walks just in case!! :p
 
Check this out!!!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_alligator_attacks_in_the_United_States_by_decade-28-
 
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