4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #77

[U.N. Known]

SBMFF
LOLOL @ "and/or for target practice". I laughed so hard at that I had to wipe tears from my eyes!

With that said (and still laughing, BTW...) I'm gonna take shots at it:

1) "and that he had been so very very careful not to leave his DNA at the crime scene" - I'll bet he figured out at some point (from immediately to days later) that he no longer had his sheath which could have his DNA on it. Although, to your point, perhaps he thought he had been super careful with it since purchase, never touching it with his bare hands, except 1 time (which is all it takes) that he doesn't recall doing.

2) "he was surprised to be arrested and hadn't gone on the run or done something elsewise to avoid being arrested" - I'd characterize his drive across the country, AND the fact he quickly swapped out his plates shortly after the murders, as trying to avoid being arrested (in that they might be looking for different plates of white Elantras on the road at first glance so his car no longer matched (unless they dug deeper)).

The man accused of killing four University of Idaho college students received a new license plate for his car five days after the deaths, according to records released Wednesday.

The licensing documents in Washington state show that the vehicle driven by the suspect, Bryan C. Kohberger, was a white Hyundai Elantra, the type of vehicle that investigators had been seeking in recent weeks.

Suspect got new license plate days after Idaho killings

The man accused of killing four University of Idaho college students received a new license plate for his car five days after the murders, according to records released Wednesday.

www.seattletimes.com

*blows smoke from the end of my gun and attempts to reholster it, surprised to find my holster is no longer hanging from my belt and wonders where in the *BLEEP* I left it*

Except, he did drive across the country--with his father--a month after the murders. He was at his family's home and he was out and about while there in his Elantra. He wasn't attempting to hide. He left personal belongings in WA that most people would take if they weren't returning e.g., his PC).

The change of license plates also isn't terribly suspect. If LE had a visual of his license plate from PA, they would still be able to obtain information on that plate's owner. The plates were changed five days later, potentially enough time to have run a plate, if they had one.

Edit. random spelling

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I keep reading posts that add to the circumstantial evidence.

The timing is relevant specifically to BK as you are pointing out. He literally "had" to do this when he did.

A victim was going to move away and actually, so was BK. In just one month BK would be gone and very possibly not planning to come back because of his failure at his teaching job and the fact that his dad flew across the country to take a road trip with him, thus, leaving him without a car if he had planned to fly back.

I believe the timing also shows that BK wanted time before he left to hear about the investigation. He could have committed his crimes closer to leaving the area, getting his car out of the area sooner.

He would hear many people talking about it in Washington as opposed to Pennsylvania. Thrilling for him as you say.

Circumstantial - no smoking gun....Yet.

If the ID is true, there is your smoking gun.

IANAL, but I don't see this as circumstantial evidence. I see it as a theory. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Accept, he did drive across the country--with his father--a month after the murders. He was at his family's home and he was out and about while there in his Elantra. He wasn't attempting to hide. He left personal belongings in WA that most people would take if they weren't returning e.g., his PC).

The change of license plates also isn't terribly suspect. If LE had a visual of his license plate from PA, they would still be able to obtain information on that plate's owner. The plates were changed five days later, potentially enough time to have run a plate, if they had one.

Exactly. And the thing is, it was mid-December. He did what just about every other grad student in America did -- head home for the holidays. He didn't change or paint his car. BK's birthday is November 21st. If his driver's license or car registration is tied to his birthday, then he'd be turning in his PA license for an ID one and/or changing his registration.

What we know about Bryan Kohberger, the man charged in the Idaho quadruple murders

Bryan Kohberger faces murder and burglary charges in the gruesome November murders of four college students.

www.cbsnews.com

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

I think he was murdering the lifestyle—the privilege—the way everything came so easy to them (from his POV). His life was falling apart.

All he had was his academic excellence and he was in the process of being fired…after he had worked so hard…fought off his addiction…lost weight… worked out…took care of his appearance…moved cross country…and here was a house full of his peers living it up without an apparent care in the world.

Now, he knew that all his pain and sacrifice was for naught. He was broken. All was lost. But, he didn’t have to be the only one. He’d show them about loss.

Enraged and hurt he snapped and stabbed them to death. In his mind, his life was over anyway so might as well go out for a bang.

I also wonder if he knew any of the local cult members or read their propaganda and that fed into his reasoning.

I would not be surprised if he had a psychotic break, and, in a way, became someone else for awhile. This is the only way I can make sense of it all. This is just food for thought. I always want to know why, and no answer will ever justify what he did.

There’s no way a person can rationally believe that killing 4 strangers will make your life better.

Just some thoughts as we await more details.

Awesome post. Already experiencing life as difficult, he thought he had finally made it out of the valley and up to the top of something - then he's disciplined at school; he has "altercations" with his supervisor; he has disciplinary procedures against him, and is ultimately fired from the TA position that enables him to pay the rent and also will give him a tuition discount. He's possibly not going to get to come back in January. His life is ruined, from his POV and somehow, other people still survive, have fun and graduate - he can't stand it.

I'm not sure he had a psychotic break though. I think he could drive, plan, reasoned his crime out fairly well, perhaps even trained for it. I keep trying to find parallels with other mass murders (or serial killers).

There are aspects about this crime from both categories.

In the US, we've had more than 160 people decide to become mass murderers since Jan 1, 2023, IIRC (I think it's now at 169). It's unlikely any of them were thinking about "making their life better." That's certainly not the motivating force for killers, IMO. And they are functioning so well, they don't seem psychotic to me (TBF, the psychotic people I've seen have all been inside hospitals as they were not capable of functioning in ordinary reality). So maybe "quasi-psychotic" is the term I'm reaching for.

This crime is a little bit of this and a little bit of that (I think of Joe DeAngelo/GSK). He was a policeman, for gosh sakes. How did he "rationally" believe that raping and then raping/killing so many people was making his life better? I mean, maybe he did in some perverse way - in which case, so could the killer in this case. How did the woman who just shot up the school in Nashville make *that* decision? We're not dealing with rational people in either case (and I disagree about Rational Choice Theory, BK's favorite theory according to his professor - although it's interesting in that he did apparently think that theory had value).

Other aspects of this crime are Ted Bundy in rampage phase. Richard Speck comes to mind. All of these were mass murders, and all focused mostly on women. I think DeAngelo started out with hot prowling (with his brother, in Visalia) but shot and killed someone early on in his career (both as a policeman and as a murderer - he shot a local teacher who was trying to protect his daughter after DeAngelo entered the house, having been a Peeping Tom prior and having been seen by the terrified girl outside her window; Dad was prepared with a weapon, but DeAngelo shot him first, IIRC). Wasn't caught for what...30 years or more? DeAngelo escalated over those years and then "retired." There are many theories in psychiatry, anthropology and psychology about why such people retire; DeAngelo has given us absolutely no help in understanding his trajectory.

Ted Bundy had once been a university student. DeAngelo had some community college, IIRC (his wife was pursuing her education and became a lawyer, he supported her while she did that). Richard Speck was on the other end of the educational spectrum with a poor home life and the background of a laborer. Speck appears to be a one time major offender, with minor crimes before that. DeAngelo of course was a hot prowler, I believe Speck was a robber and a burglar (knife wielding). Bundy and DeAngelo of course were married, Speck was not and had a pattern of random violent crimes (he once had a girlfriend, sort of). Edmund Kemper has a very high IQ and no evidence of psychosis (according to Donald Lunde, M.D., the psychiatrist called in to study him; book is called Murder and Madness). Lunde thinks that Kemper was, basically, a psychopath/extreme expression of what we now call Antisocial PD. At the same time, we now know that Antisocial PD seems to have a strong correlation with certain parts of the brain not functioning well - and we don't know if it is inherited entirely or also partly acquired.

IOW, different kinds of people can be the perpetrators of violent, random, seemingly inexplicable crime. Being well educated is not a protectant (I personally collect stories about professors and doctors who kill; and students who kill - grad students in particular; there are few patterns or common diagnoses that I know of). I was once part of a true crime reading group consisting mostly of nurses, and they all wanted to read the doctor murderer stories. Education does not prevent a person from becoming a murderer, nor were all the doctor murderers particularly well organized/good planners (or we wouldn't know about them). Where BK fits into all this is mystifying. I think the phrase "he just up and lost his mind" will also stand in well for "psychosis," but I also think that he might not have lost his mind. His mind might normally be made up of all kinds of horrible plans, notions, impulses, etc., which he himself is interested in studying. I think most of the doctor-murderers were not psychotic, either. Just cracked and then cracked wider open.

Your theory about the mind of the killer (if it's BK) is very interesting. If he had gone after his professor, that would have made way more sense - but you do give a reason for why he goes after these four promising and happy young people who had social lives and friends.

If it's him. IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Exactly. And the thing is, it was mid-December. He did what just about every other grad student in America did -- head home for the holidays. He didn't change or paint his car. BK's birthday is November 21st. If his driver's license or car registration is tied to his birthday, then he'd be turning in his PA license for an ID one and/or changing his registration.

What we know about Bryan Kohberger, the man charged in the Idaho quadruple murders

Bryan Kohberger faces murder and burglary charges in the gruesome November murders of four college students.

www.cbsnews.com

MOO

He had to change his registration and his driver's license by the end of the semester if he wanted to gain in-state tuition for the following academic year. No mystery there - he had every reason to go do that. He did it on time and properly. He did it before he found out he was losing the TAship. IOW, he was operating rationally within the rules of his university situation and aiming to go on to his doctorate.

The loss of the TAship must have been devastating and while I can't remember the date on which the final decision was conveyed to him (there are a couple of different versions here on this thread), it's clear he knew he was in trouble with the prof and with HR. That particular prof taught the big sections of the 101 class and may well have been his only opportunity for a TAship. Since that professor is the one who reported him, he wasn't going to appoint BK to be an RA or recommend him to anyone else. I wonder if we'll hear more about the "altercations" at the preliminary.

IMO.

 

[whiterhino]

I keep reading posts that add to the circumstantial evidence.

The timing is relevant specifically to BK as you are pointing out. He literally "had" to do this when he did.

A victim was going to move away and actually, so was BK. In just one month BK would be gone and very possibly not planning to come back because of his failure at his teaching job and the fact that his dad flew across the country to take a road trip with him, thus, leaving him without a car if he had planned to fly back.

I believe the timing also shows that BK wanted time before he left to hear about the investigation. He could have committed his crimes closer to leaving the area, getting his car out of the area sooner.

He would hear many people talking about it in Washington as opposed to Pennsylvania. Thrilling for him as you say.

Circumstantial - no smoking gun....Yet.

If the ID is true, there is your smoking gun.

Yes to all of that except BK didn't know he was about to get fired. *after reading 10ofRods post above, BK must have known something bad was coming down on him. BK didn't lose his job until December just prior to his arrest.

My use of the word "thrilling" was meant more in the actions taken leading up to. The stalking, surveillance, tracking his prey so to speak. That is the thrill IMO.

Possibly also voyeurism.

Relishing what he did while he watches the 6 o'clock news, asking neighbors about it etc is to me on a certain level of sadism JMO.

 

[gliving]

MSN

I think this looks purposeful. It isn't checking out random skid marks. It appears to be evidence collection to me #shrug

Whether the evidence pertains to the Elantra, idk.

 

[Nova]

Bringing this forward from page 11 of this thread. The animation starts at about 3:00 (house itself at 3:30). I never would have been able to visualize the house from text or 2d floorplans, so this really helped me understand that the house isn’t that complicated (or large).

(The page 11 poster mentioned that they weren’t sure who originally posted it, and I’ve gone through many threads trying to find it, no luck so far.)

The time lapse works even better if the intruder was targeting MM and went directly to the bedroom with the pink boots in the window. No need to open the other upper floor bedroom or to confront the dog. Finding a second victim (KG) in MM's room could have been a coincidence. (Or if KG were the primary target, the intruder might have seen her in MM's room on his previous pass by the house.) If both girls were asleep, it might not have taken more than a minute to wound both mortally.

I still don't see how an intruder found XK's room unless he had been in the house before OR XK or EC came out into the LR/Kitchen as BK came down from the upper floor. That corner with the middle bathroom isn't readily visible from the kitchen.

If he was trying every bedroom door, why didn't he discover DM in her room before he killed XK and EC? And if the intruder was simply trying to up the body count, why didn't he continue to the lower floor where more victims might be waiting?

Finally, re Murphy, I don't doubt the sister's account of his usual personality. But no one had ever seen how the dog might behave if his mistress were being violently assaulted on the other side of a closed door.

I trust it is obvious that all of the above is speculation on my part.

 

[whiterhino]

View attachment 415611

MSN

I think this looks purposeful. It isn't checking out random skid marks. It appears to be evidence collection to me #shrug

Whether the evidence pertains to the Elantra, idk.

I'm willing to bet that at the time of this photo, LE didn't know if it was evidence or not (meaning, treat it like it could be). Possibly trying to get a good shot of the tread or something.

 

[Boxer]

I'm willing to bet that at the time of this photo, LE didn't know if it was evidence or not (meaning, treat it like it could be). Possibly trying to get a good shot of the tread or something.

Agree. Record the marks into evidence to see if they match subsequent vehicles impounded.

The area cameras must have caught audio of the skid and the exit of the vehicle that made them.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Awesome post. Already experiencing life as difficult, he thought he had finally made it out of the valley and up to the top of something - then he's disciplined at school; he has "altercations" with his supervisor; he has disciplinary procedures against him, and is ultimately fired from the TA position that enables him to pay the rent and also will give him a tuition discount. He's possibly not going to get to come back in January. His life is ruined, from his POV and somehow, other people still survive, have fun and graduate - he can't stand it.

I'm not sure he had a psychotic break though. I think he could drive, plan, reasoned his crime out fairly well, perhaps even trained for it. I keep trying to find parallels with other mass murders (or serial killers).

There are aspects about this crime from both categories.

In the US, we've had more than 160 people decide to become mass murderers since Jan 1, 2023, IIRC (I think it's now at 169). It's unlikely any of them were thinking about "making their life better." That's certainly not the motivating force for killers, IMO. And they are functioning so well, they don't seem psychotic to me (TBF, the psychotic people I've seen have all been inside hospitals as they were not capable of functioning in ordinary reality). So maybe "quasi-psychotic" is the term I'm reaching for.

This crime is a little bit of this and a little bit of that (I think of Joe DeAngelo/GSK). He was a policeman, for gosh sakes. How did he "rationally" believe that raping and then raping/killing so many people was making his life better? I mean, maybe he did in some perverse way - in which case, so could the killer in this case. How did the woman who just shot up the school in Nashville make *that* decision? We're not dealing with rational people in either case (and I disagree about Rational Choice Theory, BK's favorite theory according to his professor - although it's interesting in that he did apparently think that theory had value).

Other aspects of this crime are Ted Bundy in rampage phase. Richard Speck comes to mind. All of these were mass murders, and all focused mostly on women. I think DeAngelo started out with hot prowling (with his brother, in Visalia) but shot and killed someone early on in his career (both as a policeman and as a murderer - he shot a local teacher who was trying to protect his daughter after DeAngelo entered the house, having been a Peeping Tom prior and having been seen by the terrified girl outside her window; Dad was prepared with a weapon, but DeAngelo shot him first, IIRC). Wasn't caught for what...30 years or more? DeAngelo escalated over those years and then "retired." There are many theories in psychiatry, anthropology and psychology about why such people retire; DeAngelo has given us absolutely no help in understanding his trajectory.

Ted Bundy had once been a university student. DeAngelo had some community college, IIRC (his wife was pursuing her education and became a lawyer, he supported her while she did that). Richard Speck was on the other end of the educational spectrum with a poor home life and the background of a laborer. Speck appears to be a one time major offender, with minor crimes before that. DeAngelo of course was a hot prowler, I believe Speck was a robber and a burglar (knife wielding). Bundy and DeAngelo of course were married, Speck was not and had a pattern of random violent crimes (he once had a girlfriend, sort of). Edmund Kemper has a very high IQ and no evidence of psychosis (according to Donald Lunde, M.D., the psychiatrist called in to study him; book is called Murder and Madness). Lunde thinks that Kemper was, basically, a psychopath/extreme expression of what we now call Antisocial PD. At the same time, we now know that Antisocial PD seems to have a strong correlation with certain parts of the brain not functioning well - and we don't know if it is inherited entirely or also partly acquired.

IOW, different kinds of people can be the perpetrators of violent, random, seemingly inexplicable crime. Being well educated is not a protectant (I personally collect stories about professors and doctors who kill; and students who kill - grad students in particular; there are few patterns or common diagnoses that I know of). I was once part of a true crime reading group consisting mostly of nurses, and they all wanted to read the doctor murderer stories. Education does not prevent a person from becoming a murderer, nor were all the doctor murderers particularly well organized/good planners (or we wouldn't know about them). Where BK fits into all this is mystifying. I think the phrase "he just up and lost his mind" will also stand in well for "psychosis," but I also think that he might not have lost his mind. His mind might normally be made up of all kinds of horrible plans, notions, impulses, etc., which he himself is interested in studying. I think most of the doctor-murderers were not psychotic, either. Just cracked and then cracked wider open.

Your theory about the mind of the killer (if it's BK) is very interesting. If he had gone after his professor, that would have made way more sense - but you do give a reason for why he goes after these four promising and happy young people who had social lives and friends.

If it's him. IMO.

Thank you. I have no professional expertise in personality disorders, but I did read a fair amount of his writing and it seemed like he struggled with “not being normal” from an early age. And I think he tried to fix himself and wanted to know why he was the way he was. Why did he have the thoughts he had? And why didn’t he fit in? He successfully lost weight, took up boxing and running. IMO, he still had these thoughts, and turned to criminal Justice studies looking for answers.

I also recall hometown friends saying that his personality changed pretty suddenly. What caused that? Confidence boost from the boxing? He went from being bullied to being the bully. Anger perhaps that he still wasn’t accepted? Perhaps an injury to the head from boxing? (I’m remembering football players who unexpectedly killed their families and some donated their brains to science.) Not enough data yet, but they are beginning to find some similarities among people with violent tendencies.

There has to be something different in their brains. IMO

Maybe some day we will be able to identify and prevent serial killers. I sure hope so any way. I did read that serial killers make their first kill in their late 20’s.

There are some other commonalities, but not definitive or causal. Anyway, thanks again. I enjoy the knowledge of all the experts on here.

 

[Boxer]

The time elapse works even better if the intruder was targeting MM and went directly to the bedroom with the pink boots in the window. No need to open the other upper floor bedroom or to confront the dog. Finding a second victim (KG) in MM's room could have been a coincidence. (Or if KG were the primary target, the intruder might have seen her in MM's room on his previous pass by the house.) If both girls were asleep, it might not have taken more than a minute to wound both mortally.

I still don't see how an intruder found XK's room unless he had been in the house before OR XK or EC came out into the LR/Kitchen as BK came down from the upper floor. That corner with the middle bathroom isn't readily visible from the kitchen.

If he was trying every bedroom door, why didn't he discover DM in her room before he killed XK and EC? And if the intruder was simply trying to up the body count, why didn't he continue to the lower floor where more victims might be waiting?

Finally, re Murphy, I don't doubt the sister's account of his usual personality. But no one had ever seen how the dog might behave if his mistress were being violently assaulted on the other side of a closed door.

I trust it is obvious that all of the above is speculation on my part.

MOO maybe a bathroom light was on to light the hall and dimly Xanas room too. The light from the corner readily visible from the 3rd floor landing.

 

[Nova]

There are two different systems (both based on something called the Carnegie Unit). By and large, similar classes all around the US have similar units. But a 3 unit class in the semester system = 4 unit class in the quarter system, and total number of units for a B.A./B.S. vary accordingly. So it's usually 160 for the quarter system.

There are ranking lists of where schools stand in relationship to each other (WSU ranks above DeSales in criminal justice - DeSales has no criminology program, that's one reason it's a bit lower.)

I think a lot of people would say U Penn and UC Irvine are near the top of the list, with the University of Maryland probably up there, enough to call it a three-way tie. OTOH, one probably can't beat Harvard for that extra drop of prestige. I rank UC Irvine above UC Berkeley, but Berkeley is often in the top three on various ranking systems.

WSU is middle of the pack (there are about 180 programs that award a doctorate in Criminology).

Unit value doesn't make a difference (Harvard, I think, is quarter system; almost certain Berkeley is too; pretty sure WSU is semester and U Penn may be as well).

IMO.

Isn't it 180 units on the quarter system?

15 + 15 + 15 = 45
45 * 4 = 180

And 120 on the semester system?

15 + 15 = 30
30 * 4 = 120

In my experience (and I have studied and taught under each), both systems expect students to average 15 units per term.

Unless something changed radically in the past few years, among UC schools, Berkeley and UCLA are by far the most competitive (which isn't to say necessarily "best" for everyone). Irvine, Davis, San Diego, etc., are still prestigious but a tier below. As an Ivy League school, Penn would rank ahead of all but Berkeley and UCLA.

All of the above, however, may vary depending on one's major.

 

[Nova]

MOO maybe a bathroom light was on to light the hall and dimly Xanas room too. The light from the corner readily visible from the 3rd floor landing.

But that only matters if the intruder's aim was to kill as many as possible. (My own inclination is that he was targeting MM, but this is speculation, of course.)

If he was just following a light source around the corner, searching for prey, why not continue on to the other middle-floor bedroom and the two rooms in the lower floor?

 

[insearchoflight]

if you’ve never been into a house before, you don’t know the layout. But the second you step into the home, you immediately see the layout because… you are there looking at it. You see walls, doors, hallways. It’s not like you are bouncing around bumping and fumbling into walls. It’s safe to say (imo) there was enough light source that night to see the lay of the house as he stepped inside. I don’t understand the logic that this wasn’t possible without him knowing the house layout ahead of time. Moo

 

[Gemmie]

if you’ve never been into a house before, you don’t know the layout. But the second you step into the home, you immediately see the layout because… you are there looking at it. You see walls, doors, hallways. It’s not like you are bouncing around bumping and fumbling into walls. It’s safe to say (imo) there was enough light source that night to see the lay of the house as he stepped inside. I don’t understand the logic that this wasn’t possible without him knowing the house layout ahead of time. Moo

I'm 100% with you except this one thing... Most people walk with their eyes scanning ahead, they aren't looking at their feet IMO. Case and point....

I used to find a lot of money on the ground. Someone said to me... "I never find money". I said... "It doesn't float in front of your face. You have to look down".

So in BK's case... he was likely looking ahead, not down at his feet. So I find it hard to imagine he didn't trip over that step if (A) he hadn't seen it (looking straight ahead as most people do, and not at his feet), or (B) he knew it was there from being in the house previously (party crasher to get a feel of the layout).

All MOO

 

[gliving]

Agree. Record the marks into evidence to see if they match subsequent vehicles impounded.

The area cameras must have caught audio of the skid and the exit of the vehicle that made them.

Yeah, maybe something caught on the neighbor's Ring cam around the time of the murders. FBI covering all bases. <moo>

Slain University of Idaho Student's Sister Is Searching for Her Killer Herself

Alivea Goncalves isn’t waiting for police to find the person responsible for killing her sister, Kaylee Goncalves, and her sister’s friends Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle.

www.insideedition.com

 

[insearchoflight]

I'm 100% with you except this one thing... Most people walk with their eyes scanning ahead, they aren't looking at their feet IMO. Case and point....

I used to find a lot of money on the ground. Someone said to me... "I never find money". I said... "It doesn't float in front of your face. You have to look down".

So in BK's case... he was likely looking ahead, not down at his feet. So I find it hard to imagine he didn't trip over that step if (A) he hadn't seen it (looking straight ahead as most people do, and not at his feet), or (B) he knew it was there from being in the house previously (party crasher to get a feel of the layout).

All MOO

Maybe he did trip. We don’t know. Don’t think it matters much if he did or didn’t. Moo

 

[WingsOverTX]

There was a lady who was charged with lying to the Grand Jury and on her computer it showed a search - the day before she testified - on "How to lie to the Grand Jury."

RSBM
Geezzz....had to laugh at that. In another life, I would have studied computer forensics just for kicks. Their own human nature is hard to overcome no matter how well a criminal plans.
JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

RSBM
Geezzz....had to laugh at that. In another life, I would have studied computer forensics just for kicks. Their own human nature is hard to overcome no matter how well a criminal plans.
JMO

Yup! Just some quick Google searches to come back and bite you in the ----

Google, what plants are poisonous to humans? Husband gets sick.

They are going to want to see direct evidence on his computer/phone/devices linking him to the victims but they could probably use the circumstantial evidence of him looking up information that was helpful to him in committing his crimes and getting away with them. If he indeed did do that.

@WingsOverTX
Twistinginthewind

What if they see searches for the murders time-stamped BEFORE noon? His car drove back that way at 9:00am probably out of curiosity and he might have looked it up out of curiosity, wondering why he wasn't hearing anything. Without thinking it through, it's so easy to impulsively look that up on a home computer, office computer or phone.

2 Cents