4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

[SpiderFalcon]

I think this is a total PR for defense. They want to get some type of doubt out in the public.

Exactly what I think. BK isn't getting enough attention. That is HIS INVESTIGATOR, and HIS PD. Also interesting that they went after another pretty blond. IMO. Something else to consider, tho, is that NOT ALL THE INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE GATHERED is in the PCA. And the public has no access to what's NOT in the PCA. Maybe they are playing games, and doing exactly what you said, @detectivewannab : chumming the waters for some DOUBT.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

It doesn't prove she saw or knows anything except the Defense is looking to see what she knows and poke holes in it.

The defense already knows what she knows/saw. They read her statements to police and their PI signed a sworn affidavit saying that he saw/heard things that could be exculpatory. That doesn't sound at all like they're just looking to see what she knows to poke holes in it. The defense has a right to mount a defense and part of that defense is going to be questioning witnesses who could information they need to insure their client gets a fair trial. Not sure why we'd criticize that.

MOO.

 

[Wallendo]

I don't have any issues with the defense wanting to speak with BF.
It seems the investigator reviewed BF's interviews with LE and felt there was some gap in her testimony. The defense attorney cannot prepare a defense without knowing the evidence to be presented against her client.
I do wonder if the lawyer first tried to set up an interview and only sought out a warrant when BF didn't agree, in order to force the issue.
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[Boxer]

I highly doubt, if the story is true, the naked individual was the killer. He'd have shed a lot more DNA than the bit that was found on the sheath.

Perhaps that the case, won't know for while.

 

[WingsOverTX]

MOO Drunken and high revelry common in the house.

This seems too easy an excuse though it is a salient factor the defense may use as a pivot away from BK.

Something(s) went down that we don't know about. I think DM was expecting a quiet house at 4 a.m. per usual & that's why she yelled out.
JMO

 

[WingsOverTX]

Sounds like they feared an OD situation.

Are OD situations typically bloody? I can't imagine anyone looking at the crime scene(s) and thinking OD. I also would be surprised if any of the deceased victims had a drug/alcohol history that would lend itself to immediate thoughts of OD.

But I could be wrong.
JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Are OD situations typically bloody? I can't imagine anyone looking at the crime scene(s) and thinking OD. I also would be surprised if any of the deceased victims had a drug/alcohol history that would lend itself to immediate thoughts of OD.

But I could be wrong.
JMO

These days given the prevalence of fentanyl, I'd hope anyone who uses drugs would be pretty quick to think OD. I wouldn't think most ODs are bloody but certainly some are-- a person who collapses from a fentanyl OD may well bleed if the person falls on his/her face.

It's my impression the house was known as a party house. I guess that could mean mainly alcohol, but it seems unlikely to me drugs wouldn't be part of the mix.
JMO

 

[Boxer]

I mean if she can't rouse roommates, she might think maybe OD call friends. MOO the visible blood may an issue but with no frame of reference for what she is looking at, it would be surreal and produce panic and hysteria.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

These days given the prevalence of fentanyl, I'd hope anyone who uses drugs would be pretty quick to think OD. I wouldn't think most ODs are bloody but certainly some are-- a person who collapses from a fentanyl OD may well bleed if the person falls on his/her face.

It's my impression the house was known as a party house. I guess that could mean mainly alcohol, but it seems unlikely to me drugs wouldn't be part of the mix.
JMO

Depends on the amount of blood really. From what LE said, it led me to believe it was a pretty bloody crime scene that I don't think would be consistent with an OD. But we really don't know how close they got to seeing anyone. It could be that they just called for their roommates and/or knocked on the door with no answer (I've forgotten now what's fact and what's rumor, so I'll say IMO to that).

MOO.

 

[Boxer]

These days given the prevalence of fentanyl, I'd hope anyone who uses drugs would be pretty quick to think OD. I wouldn't think most ODs are bloody but certainly some are-- a person who collapses from a fentanyl OD may well bleed if the person falls on his/her face.

It's my impression the house was known as a party house. I guess that could mean mainly alcohol, but it seems unlikely to me drugs wouldn't be part of the mix.
JMO

Cadets from West Point did themselves in with fentanyl laced
Marijuana spring break 22. Many in their rented party house died the others barely made it.

 

[SpiderFalcon]

We also don't know, or do we, whether Xana's bedroom door was open or closed, before the police got there. I know in the PCA, the detective says he could see her, as he approached the room, however, other policemen were there before him, and could have opened and left the door open. Or, DM could have opened it. Or, Ethan's best friend could have opened it. Or BK could have left it open. Or closed it. IMO.

 

[WingsOverTX]

I mean if she can't rouse roommates, she might think maybe OD call friends. MOO the visible blood may an issue but with no frame of reference for what she is looking at, it would be surreal and produce panic and hysteria.

Yeah. My lack of imagination may have caught up with me there! The mention of fentanyl above has me re-thinking.

I just thought the 1st responders encountered horrific scenes so if the survivors did look at those ignoring the worst of implications would be impossible.

I wish we knew more. I also hope the prosecution can "sneak" something out into the public sphere like the defense has (without violating the gag order, of course). The prelim just can't come soon enough for me.
JMO

 

[insearchoflight]

I highly doubt, if the story is true, the naked individual was the killer. He'd have shed a lot more DNA than the bit that was found on the sheath.

There may be loads of dna. We don’t know yet.

 

[10ofRods]

We also don't know, or do we, whether Xana's bedroom door was open or closed, before the police got there. I know in the PCA, the detective says he could see her, as he approached the room, however, other policemen were there before him, and could have opened and left the door open. Or, DM could have opened it. Or, Ethan's best friend could have opened it. Or BK could have left it open. Or closed it. IMO.

Using common sense, if DM and BF knew there were two murdered bodies inside Xana's bedroom, they would have reacted differently. As it is, DM finds herself incapable of using her phone or even speaking coherently and therefore someone else makes the 911 call (according to the article I just posted, who is using LE sources, it was Ethan's brother).

The two women who lived in the house then collapsed in hysterics (reportedly one fainted) when the truth was revealed. That would not have happened if they had been strolling around their house with two dead bodies in plain view, IMO. At the point that they called the "friends" over, they had not yet discovered Maddie or Kaylee, IMO.

The policeman who wrote the affidavit states at the beginning that he arrived at 4 pm on Sunday, so of course the door was open and the bodies were already found.

Cop on Idaho Murders Case Details Bloody Scene in Court Docs

Details redacted from the affidavit filed in Idaho were revealed in documents unsealed in Washington State.

www.insideedition.com

I do not believe DM opened the door and the story of that is not in MSM, but there are some clues here and there if you look.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

DBM

 

[Balthazar]

No media knows what BF's affidavit says. At the beginning of this case Moscow PD determined that BF, XK and EC attended a Sigma Chi party together on the night of the 12th of November

"Saturday, Nov. 12. Chapin and Kernodle went to a party at Chapin's fraternity, Sigma Chi. Roommate Bethany Funke told police she saw them there between 9 p.m. and 1:45 a.m."

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/state/article270810602.html

There were RUMORS about what took place at the party between Sigma Chi members and one of the victims. (THESE RUMORS ARE STILL COMPLETELY PUBLICLY UNCONFIRMED AND MAY WELL BE COMPLETELY UNFOUNDED. ONLY LE KNOWS.)

Questions remain about what happened at Sigma Chi house on night of killings

MOSCOW, Idaho - Moscow Police Department (MPD) investigators have said two of the four victims in last month's quadruple homicide near the University of Idaho (UI), 20 year olds Ethan

www.khq.com

Sometimes there is some tiny kernel of truth that inspires a rumor that gets completely and totally blow out of proportion. IMO I think that this PI for the Defense read the discovery for the case, probably read the rumors swirling online and maybe in the discovery LE asked BF something like "Did anything unusual happen at the Sigma Chi Party?" and she may have described what little she knew about some incident (or not). IMO, I think details of the party may be what the defense is after from BF to somehow use to create reasonable doubt. It seems her attorney's response to the subpoena, was that she and BF feel BF has nothing else to offer the defense beyond what she told police. But, the defense HAS to come up with SOMETHING to create reasonable doubt.

All IMO.

 

[DizzyB]

I don't have any issues with the defense wanting to speak with BF.
It seems the investigator reviewed BF's interviews with LE and felt there was some gap in her testimony. The defense attorney cannot prepare a defense without knowing the evidence to be presented against her client.
I do wonder if the lawyer first tried to set up an interview and only sought out a warrant when BF didn't agree, in order to force the issue.
Many here lament the rights given to the accused by the Bill of Rights (and the English Bill of Rights of 1689 upon which it is based). These documents were created in response to actual prosecutorial abuses under previous common law.

I see both sides of this. BF may have felt that she answered every question and provided as much information as she had. Here is the defense, ordering her to fly back and provide more, that potentially can clear a person who murdered her roommates? To the place where the most horrible thing happened? Could they be trying to put her story at odds with DM’s, who might be crucial? We know nothing.

This seems too easy an excuse though it is a salient factor the defense may use as a pivot away from BK.

Something(s) went down that we don't know about. I think DM was expecting a quiet house at 4 a.m. per usual & that's why she yelled out.
JMO

I have no idea why BK would expect a quiet house. That’s amazing. Lots of people who were up posting, viewing social media, picking up food after a night out, getting food delivered.

 

[10ofRods]

Depends on the amount of blood really. From what LE said, it led me to believe it was a pretty bloody crime scene that I don't think would be consistent with an OD. But we really don't know how close they got to seeing anyone. It could be that they just called for their roommates and/or knocked on the door with no answer (I've forgotten now what's fact and what's rumor, so I'll say IMO to that).

MOO.

The only blood noted outside of two bedrooms is the latent footprint. No other blood is noted in LE documents, so far.

I think the two rooms were bloody, but not necessarily the entire living room/kitchen area (especially after seeing where the evidence markers were placed and where the investigators spent their time during the early days of the investigation, as captured in photos published in MSM).

IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

No there is no indication of that so far. I made a typo in the last thread. There is no grand jury that we know of.

If the DA feels the validity of PCA may be called into question (ie. exculpatory evidence supposedly known by BF, disclosed info to Defense re cop on scene with IA investigation (Brady), they can still convene a GJ to indict BK before the PH.

We wouldn't know if there is/was/will be a GJ or not until after the fact. Right? Or maybe not even after because of the gag order. IDK

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

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"Investigator Richard Bitonti, who is working for Anne Taylor, Mr Kohberger's lawyer, has subpoenaed Ms Funke to appear at the accused killer's hearing on June 28.

According to the affidavit, she allegedly witnessed a naked man run through a rear sliding door. She lived on the first-floor of the home and came face-to-face with the alleged killer."

Surviving roommate in university stabbings begs to not face 'killer' in court

Suspect Bryan Kohberger, 28, has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder and burglary after four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death on November 13, 2022

www.mirror.co.uk

Huh? I don't believe this at all...

Is the Mirror even an approved MSM source here? I know the Daily Mail is, but wasn't sure about The Sun and The Mirror?