4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #79

[Boxer]

Well, I hate to bring up the old cliché, but they say that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich, if the DA wanted that.

Seriously, I suspect that the PCA itself would supply enough evidence for a grand jury indictment.

Assuming that the source told the truth, I’ll be very interested in hearing what knowledgeable people say the change is all about. My mind’s full of wild speculations.

Yes, and in this case the ham sandwich left his DNA at the crime scene.

 

[ktm44]

Hi everyone,
I don't understand something about the timeline with Doordash, and would appreciate if someone can help me make sense of it.
In the photos of the house, we see the doordash bag in the kitchen with Xana's name on it as well as a disposable drink cup with straw.
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As I understand the DD was delivered at 4am, while the killer is said to have entered the house a couple minutes later. The kitchen is right there on the way in if someone enters from the back sliding door.
So, here's what I don't understand: did Xana just eat that food in the kitchen/living area extremely fast between 4am and ±4:04 ish, then go back to her room, just barely avoiding the killer as he entered ? Or did Xana receive the DD and go eat in her room. But then wouldn't she or Ethan have run into the killer when taking the empty bag and food wrappers etc back to the kitchen? I find this very confusing.
Sorry if this has been discussed before, or if there's an obvious explanation I haven't thought of!

There have been many assumptions about the food but because the photo was taken days later by reporters peeking through windows, we have no idea if this and other items were left there by a victim or if LE moved certain items for further processing.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

This is the first I have heard of this. That would really surprise me if this has indeed happened. it doesn't make much sense to me for the prosecutor to have taken this direction.

IANAL, but IMO, if this is true, it does make sense if, possibly, the goal is to protect the privacy of the survivors, the victims, and anyone else who may be indirectly affected. We know the prosecution has supported the gag order, and there are many moving parts judging by the warrants with (what seems to me) an extraordinary number of redactions, including some involving people besides the victims, suspect, and survivors. @Sister Golden Hair did a deep dive on all this. From the warrants for all DD drivers delivering to the King St address to Tinder activity to all the bank accounts, there are probably a number of people whose privacy could be breached by evidence presented at the PH.

MOO.

 

[BUF]

Bryan Kohberger, the criminology Ph.D. student accused of the home invasion murders of four University of Idaho undergrads, has been indicted by a grand jury in Latah County, authorities have confirmed.

The superseding indictment means the accused quadruple murderer will not have a chance to attack the evidence used to arrest him at a preliminary hearing that had been scheduled for the week of June 26. A new arraignment has been scheduled for Monday, May 22, at 9 a.m.

It also spares the two surviving housemates and other potential witnesses from having to testify under cross-examination prior to trial.

The move was not unexpected. Prominent Boise defense attorney Edwina Elcox said in January that it could be announced at any moment once a grand jury had been empaneled behind closed doors and convinced that the charges should stand.

Bryan Kohberger indicted in Idaho student murders

Bryan Kohberger, the criminology Ph.D. student accused of the home invasion murders of four University of Idaho undergrads, has been indicted by a grand jury.

www.foxnews.com

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Slightly off topic but I never read this was established and I definitely don’t want to go back through all 80 threads… has it been confirmed definitely that BK had pictures of MM on his phone/ was connected to her on SM? Or is it all speculation, i.e. reported but not confirmed?
TIA

Not confirmed.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

So we should get some docs released today, right?

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658862683461148673

 

[jepop]

I have no experience in all things law, but wouldn't an indictment negate the need for the Prelim?
I just kept thinking with the 2 addn'l state guys coming on board, a GJ would be convened to avoid the Prelim and further dissemination of info to the public.
I kinda don't believe it happened, though.
All just my uneducated questions and opinion.

ETA: Oh, yes it did!

I'm no legal person either, but I kinda... infact I do believe it now, too many MSM have reported on it to make this B..it. It's happenning! MOO

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658857847264890884

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658861344672878593

 

[jepop]

DBM double post

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658860781470097408

MOSCOW, Idaho — A Grand Jury in Idaho has indicted the man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students, eliminating the need for a preliminary hearing.

The Latah County District Court clerk confirms that Bryan Kohberger will now appear in court on Monday, May 22 at 9:00 a.m. where he will likely enter a plea.

The Latah County District Court clerk said the Grand Jury indicted Kohberger on all charges. With the Grandy Jury indictment, the preliminary hearing, previously scheduled for June 26, has been canceled.

The indictment means the Grand Jury believes there is enough evidence for the case to proceed to trial. Idaho law requires the prosecution to prove there is enough evidence, either through a Grand Jury or a preliminary hearing.

We expect to get more information from the courts later today.
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[maskedwoman]

I'm glad he's indicted, but I'm kind of bummed that we probably won't learn anything new until trial. Dramatic sigh....

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658859420141654016

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658865273494183942

 

[Twistinginthewind]

This clarifies the evidentiary aspects of GJ proceedings, noting that although they are not bound to hear evidence for the defendant, they can order evidence to be produced and witnesses to testify:

Idaho Criminal Rule 6.4. Grand Jury Proceedings

(a) Grand Jury Subpoenas. A grand jury subpoena or subpoena duces tecum may be issued by either the presiding juror or the prosecutor in the manner provided by law.

(b) Questioning of Witnesses. Witnesses may be questioned by the prosecuting attorney, the presiding juror, and other members of the grand jury under the direction of the presiding juror.

(c) Evidence for Defendant. The grand jury is not bound to hear evidence for the defendant, but it is their duty to weigh all the evidence submitted to them, and when they have reason to believe that other evidence within their reach will explain away the charge, they should order such evidence to be produced, and for that purpose may require the prosecuting attorney to issue process for the witnesses.

I.C.R. 6.4. Grand Jury Proceedings | Supreme Court

 

[Cool Cats]

I find myself stuck somewhere between the famous quote that a grand jury will “indict a ham sandwich” and “they MUST have something earth shattering that’s not in the PCA!”

The DNA fits your description perfectly

 

[Cool Cats]

I have always been intrigued by Locard's exchange principle.

In forensic science, Locard's principle holds that the perpetrator of a crime will bring something into the crime scene and leave with something from it, and that both can be used as forensic evidence. Dr. Edmond Locard was a pioneer in forensic science.

It has always been my own opinion thst BK left more than DNA on a sheath.

Ya, evidence of his car near the house, eyewitness saw a masked man leaving, bloody footprint was suspected as his, Knife sheath.

 

[Gardenista]

Here's are examples of indictments. The first is for Lori Vallow. Not sure if Kohberger's will be similar or not. It gives more info than SC indictments, but it is still not much. The 2nd link is for Alex Murdaugh's SC indictment

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR22211623/Indictment.pdf

https://www.scag.gov/media/aqmgde04/murdaugh-indictments-7-14-2022.pdf

 

[girlhasnoname]

anyone can find those first photos of the group wrapped in blankets outside the house, it would be super. Links have been scrubbed and I’ve been searching since. I saw that article the first day and nothing from it is still around. I’d like to look again now that there is so much information out there.

I truly hope that BK’s attorneys don’t go the route of Barry Morphew’s. Getting evidence/testimony tossed is the only way out for BK, in my opinion.
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I had those pics screen shot(ed) early on, but can't put my finger on them right now. Will look for them.

I'm not worried about evidence being tossed out here? Anything specific you are thinking of?

MOO