4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 74

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[Sillybilly]

The following Johnny Law youtube was originally posted by Mayboy1998 earlier today but because it was not a podcast host we were familiar with and we did not have time to view it in its entirety, it was removed. Having now had time to view it, it is being approved on a one-time basis because it does seem to provide an excellent analysis of the layout of the house, where individuals may have been sleeping, and it speaks to the location of the red liquid in relation to the overall layout of the house.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Tricia]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT CHRIS MCDONOUGH AND THE INTERVIEW ROOM

Nothing that Chris M says is allowed on this forum unless it is backed up by law enforcement. ​

Chris has personally lied to me. He accused an innocent man of being Brian Laundry. He lied about being removed from the Crow lawsuit. He was removed but then put back in the lawsuit and lost. Chris told me he was removed from the lawsuit and was not sued. He never told me he was added back into the lawsuit and lost. Chris was sued for getting a false confession in the murder of Stephanie Crow.
I could go on but suffice it to say anything he says is not allowed. Even if it is in mainstream media.

Again only if what he said is backed up by an actual law enforcement source.

Here is the documentation on the Crow lawsuit
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Ruling from 2010 which overrules Dougie's decision from 2004.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2010/01/14/05-55467.pdf

Retired judge slams Crowe case

ESCONDIDO: Retired judge slams police conduct in Crowe case

www.courant.com

ESCONDIDO: Crowe family settles civil rights lawsuit for $7.25 million

Nearly 14 years after Stephanie Crowe was stabbed to death inher Escondido bedroom, her family agreed to a $7.25 millionsettlement with the cities of Escondido and Oceanside for what oneappeals cou…

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

"A federal trial judge in San Diego dismissed the bulk of the civil rights suit in 2004. But six years later, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals revived the lawsuit, finding that Escondido police violated the civil rights of Crowe and his friends during “hours of grueling, psychologically abusive interrogations.”

The above links come from a great YouTube creator called Scientific Skeptic. If you go to this video there are more links describing the interrogation tools used by Chris and others in the Crow case,

Because Chris mistakenly named the wrong man on my YouTube channel and never told me to take down the false information I made this apology video when I discovered what happened,
Here is the apology video I had to make because of what Chris said on my Livestream.

The glove that Chris found was not there on the day of the Moscow Idaho murders

The MOB Crew has a great video showing the ground the day of the killing where the glove was found later in the month. On that day the glove was not there. Go to @2:35 of this video

I am not suggesting Chris did not legitimately find the glove. Just showing you it has nothing to do with the case. I will be shocked if Chris updates the story about the glove.

For those of you who know me this is an extremely unusual step for me to take. This is how strongly I feel. I was lied to but more importantly, because of Chris' actions, people's lives were threatened in the Summer Wells case.

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[isabella88]

Pulling this from the last thread, as I posted it a minute before the new thread.

BBM. So are raids.

MOO.

Agree. IMO, raids should exist for worst-case scenarios. Not for arresting a suspect like BK in his parents' home after at least days of surveillance, unless LE saw something during surveillance that suggested BK would get violent.

BK was not an active shooter or kidnapper. I think LE could have taken him peacefully and without traumatizing his family and destroying their property. Even if they used less force that night, arriving at around 1:30 a.m. afforded them the element of surprise.

I suspect the raid occurred because this is a case followed nationally and also because LE likes to test its toys. The latter may not be a popular statement, but I'm standing by it. There are many examples of this type of LE activity that ended in lost lives.

This raid may have satisfied those of us who feel anger toward BK but that doesn't mean the raid was appropriate.

All JMO.

 

[isabella88]

So, if BK was accepted as some type of intern with LE in Washington state, does anyone know if that would give him access to a gun? I'm just turning over in my head the number of handguns found at his parents' house. They could arguably belong to his parents, but all three? Could be.

All JMO but the guns are throwing me, considering a knife was used in the murders.

 

[Sundog]

Idaho murders update: More Bryan Kohberger documents released in Pennsylvania; knife, phone, masks seized

A Pennsylvania court has unsealed additional documents in the Idaho student murders case and the arrest of suspect Bryan Kohberger in the Pocono Mountains.

www.foxnews.com

edited to add:

The shovel from the car is also interesting. One might assume that travelling across the country in the winter with a storm coming, it would be wise to have a shovel in the car. But once it is tested by the lab, wonder if it will show that the shovel was new and never used, or if it was used to dig in the dirt, perhaps to bury clothing or other items.

 

[Montecore1]

Sure would like to know the title of the book, with underlining on page 118.

IMO What's strange is that LE found something underlined on a page in a book any book! Did they go page by page of every book in the house looking for something underlined? Is that SOP of a search warrant? If so why?

Seems very peculiar and that they must have been seeking a very specific detail in order to take the time to even find one underlined passage in a book. MOO

 

[U.N. Known]

Pulling this from the last thread, as I posted it a minute before the new thread.


Agree. IMO, raids should exist for worst-case scenarios. Not for arresting a suspect like BK in his parents' home after at least days of surveillance, unless LE saw something during surveillance that suggested BK would get violent.

BK was not an active shooter or kidnapper. I think LE could have taken him peacefully and without traumatizing his family and destroying their property. Even if they used less force that night, arriving at around 1:30 a.m. afforded them the element of surprise.

I suspect the raid occurred because this is a case followed nationally and also because LE likes to test its toys. The latter may not be a popular statement, but I'm standing by it. There are many examples of this type of LE activity that ended in lost lives.

This raid may have satisfied those of us who feel anger toward BK but that doesn't mean the raid was appropriate.

All JMO.

I agree about the raids for worst-case scenarios. After days of surveillance, surely they noticed a pattern of activity. With no imminent threat, why not wait until daylight when he exited the house? I saw a home after a SWAT raid. The suspect was also a relative staying temporarily. The house was damaged inside and out. My friend, the neighbor, was hiding in her house because of how unexpected and loud it was. They thought there was an attack going on. Imagine what the people inside were feeling.

 

[U.N. Known]

IMO What's strange is that LE found something underlined on a page in a book any book! Did they go page by page of every book in the house looking for something underlined? Is that SOP of a search warrant? If so why?

Seems very peculiar and that they must have been seeking a very specific detail in order to take the time to even find one underlined passage in a book. MOO

I hope the book was open. If it wasn't, the mere title of the book must be something related to crime for them to bother looking through it. Of course, considering BKs field of study, a lot of his reading material would look suspicious.

 

[U.N. Known]

So, if BK was accepted as some type of intern with LE in Washington state, does anyone know if that would give him access to a gun? I'm just turning over in my head the number of handguns found at his parents' house. They could arguably belong to his parents, but all three? Could be.

All JMO but the guns are throwing me, considering a knife was used in the murders.

Not sure of your question, but it was only one gun and a receipt for a gun sale/purchase

 

[isabella88]

Imagine what the people inside were feeling.

I could try to imagine but it wouldn't touch their experience.

 

[isabella88]

Not sure of your question, but it was only one gun and a receipt for a gun sale/purchase

I think I got my signals crossed. Maybe with the Murdaugh case. It's been a long day ...

 

[isabella88]

IMO What's strange is that LE found something underlined on a page in a book any book! Did they go page by page of every book in the house looking for something underlined? Is that SOP of a search warrant? If so why?

Seems very peculiar and that they must have been seeking a very specific detail in order to take the time to even find one underlined passage in a book. MOO

The only thing I can think of is that they saw a book that was bookmarked. I wonder how much time they spent there and how fine-toothed a comb they ran over the place. But something makes me think that book was found in his room. All JMO.

 

[whiterhino]

IMO What's strange is that LE found something underlined on a page in a book any book! Did they go page by page of every book in the house looking for something underlined? Is that SOP of a search warrant? If so why?

Seems very peculiar and that they must have been seeking a very specific detail in order to take the time to even find one underlined passage in a book. MOO

It is a bit odd that LE made a point to note the underlining in the book but were vague about the book itself. Further along the list, a "Criminal Psychology" textbook is also itemized and named (#31 on the list).

More than one book was seized, I'm assuming from BKs' room. It's possible that BK had book marked page 118 so it stood out to LE. For all anyone knows, there could be other "underlining" within BKs' texts and writings that might be equally suspicious just not disclosed to anyone. Not yet anyway.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Idaho murders update: More Bryan Kohberger documents released in Pennsylvania; knife, phone, masks seized

A Pennsylvania court has unsealed additional documents in the Idaho student murders case and the arrest of suspect Bryan Kohberger in the Pocono Mountains.

www.foxnews.com

edited to add:

The shovel from the car is also interesting. One might assume that travelling across the country in the winter with a storm coming, it would be wise to have a shovel in the car. But once it is tested by the lab, wonder if it will show that the shovel was new and never used, or if it was used to dig in the dirt, perhaps to bury clothing or other items.

It's likely not new either way. Growing up in the Poconos and now living in Pullman, he likely always has/had a shovel in his car. MOO.