ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[GraceVPrice]

Question—and I’m sorry for the ask here, but would the coroner and police differentiate between stabbing and slashing? In other words-if one’s throat was cut would it still called a stabbing?

I honestly don't know that answer but it was reported:
"Goncalves said the victims suffered "large punctures" from a "brutal weapon."

Dad of slain Idaho student pleads with public for help: 'I have to have my justice'

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of the four University of Idaho students mysteriously stabbed to death in an off-campus house, speaks to ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

 

[shushu]

It’s weird that you say this, but I’m getting something sort of like this too.


When I first heard about this crime I thought it’s an X or something similar. He will be in custody by the end of the week etc. But after a week with no arrest my thinking started to change. Clearly, it’s not someone super close to them because there must have been a ton of evidence at the scene and some marks left on the perpetrator so an ex or a well-known stalker would have been caught right away. My current thoughts are now (I know this is not a popular theory):

- This is something much more along the lines of a thrill killing with a sexual component for whoever did it. I know there was no evidence of direct sexual assault, but the act of doing this is sexually stimulating to this type of offender much the same way setting fires is sexually stimulating to a serial arsonist.
- Many/most people here think this was a carefully planned out meticulously carried out crime. This is understandable, but I think this will end up being a case of a killer getting lucky appearing to be good. I think this was an impulsive crime of opportunity. Offender may have or taken interest in one of the victims, maybe even snooped around before, but I think his decision to act, and to act at the time he did was impulsive and opportunistic and he was more likely than not intoxicated.
- If the offender is known at all to the victims it will only be tangentially.
- there may have been some stalking going on but it will have been much more of the spying peeping literally stalking variety, and not the incel harass you into being my GF type of stalking. He was always looking for victims not a girlfriend.
- He did not know the inside of the house well and had likely never been inside. I think he came in though the second floor back sliding glass door and went room to room killing. I think he didn't know about the people downstairs and that’s why they are still alive.
-He was at the time if the crimes residing within walking distance of the crime scene. (Doesn’t have to be permanent residence).
-He is definitely a HE.
-This offender is dangerous and will do something like this again if he is not caught.
-would not surprise me if this is his first major offense, but he likely has a criminal record for petty stuff and substance abuse issues.

*** these are all just my current speculations and i know this is not a popular theory. Any or all could easily be wrong.

I've considered something like this. I keep thinking about that super creep, Michael Gargiulo and how his murders were sexually motivated but did not involve sexual assault.

Edited to add that somebody posted above about booties over shoes and Gargiulo wore those when he killed.

 

[Emerald15]

My opinion is the killer will not attend any vigil. Wants to stay as low key as possible, but is relishing the daily news on TV, you tube, etc.

 

[DeViLintheDetaiL]

KG's father said they aren't having a funeral because the police can't guarantee that the killer won't be there. I found that pretty telling because aside from family I assume they would let sorroritys sis and frat bros in and keep random people out ....like a guy that did work on their house or whoever. Therefore, the killer would be in the room; or if not in the room.. who didn't show up and why?

 

[Saquish]

Occam's Razor would suggest that this was a much simpler crime and motive. Remember the Crop Circles? Scientists and authorities said no human could be that precise and fast over such a large scale. Turns out some old farmer with a stick and rope made them overnight. He even demonstrated because nobody would believe him. Probably a severely mental or drugged out person who would not normally do this. They literally could have just happened upon the house.

 

[ktm44]

Question—and I’m sorry for the ask here, but would the coroner and police differentiate between stabbing and slashing? In other words-if one’s throat was cut would it still called a stabbing?

I don't feel that they will publicly disclose any further information about the autopsies until there is a trial or a proven suspect is found dead.

 

[scriabina]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but the fact that the roommates called friends to the crime scene before police is concerning. Several of their friends were already at the scene of the crime when police arrived. They could have contaminated the scene, or worse yet, one of the "friends" could have been the killer. Also, considering this was a stabbing, wouldn't there be obvious blood near the victim? If I saw my friend in a pool of blood unconscious, first thing I'd do is call 911, not my friends to come take a look.

Similar to the trend police described on Sunday, the quartet’s concerned friends called other people to the home before notifying police.

Moscow Police received a call shortly before noon on Nov. 13 for a report of an "unconscious person" at the King Road home, but several people had gathered at the crime scene by the time police arrived, officials said.

 

[gliving]

This was super interesting. The former FBI agent mentions comments from a state trooper regarding there being a good likelihood that other people could have been with the surviving roommates that night. Does anyone know what state trooper comments she is referencing?

Sorry, I don't. Surely one of us would have found that tidbit by now. IMO she "misspoke" about a few known facts.

 

[Emerald1328]

Better late than never?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597659765844631553

 

[bosh]

Here's the clip of Nancy Grace not stating explicitly that authorities have suspect DNA but stating "This perp is most likely not a convicted felon because he's not popping up on Afis or Codis."

Aound 3:45 in:
Idaho college murders: Still no suspect or person of interest named in case | Fox News Video

 

[dotr]

Nov 29, 2022
'More than two weeks after four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their rooms, no arrests have been made and no suspects have been made. LiveNOW from FOX's Josh Breslow spoke about the high-profile case with Joseph Scott Morgan, a forensics professor at Jacksonville State University'

 

[Emerald15]

Is DNA taken of Juveniles convicted of animal cruelty? Can a juvenile commit a felony and stay on their record into adulthood?

 

[crax.t]

Sorry, I don't. Surely one of us would have found that tidbit by now. IMO she "misspoke" about a few known facts.

i actually do think i recall in one of the pressers, one of the LEOs/state trooper made a really confusing statement about whether or not friends were there night of or if it was just in reference to the surviving victims calling friends before 911. adding that to my list of things to track down.

 

[Saquish]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but the fact that the roommates called friends to the crime scene before police is concerning. Several of their friends were already at the scene of the crime when police arrived. They could have contaminated the scene, or worse yet, one of the "friends" could have been the killer. Also, considering this was a stabbing, wouldn't there be obvious blood near the victim? If I saw my friend in a pool of blood unconscious, first thing I'd do is call 911, not my friends to come take a look.

Similar to the trend police described on Sunday, the quartet’s concerned friends called other people to the home before notifying police.

Moscow Police received a call shortly before noon on Nov. 13 for a report of an "unconscious person" at the King Road home, but several people had gathered at the crime scene by the time police arrived, officials said.

I would certainly be looking at the guests

 

[Saquish]

Better late than never?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597659765844631553

How have they not already done this? I am perplexed

 

[ktm44]

Is DNA taken of Juveniles convicted of animal cruelty? Can a juvenile commit a felony and stay on their record into adulthood?

I don't think so and even if it were, juvenile records are difficult to access.

 

[TooMuchGun]

I wouldn't be so sure. To me, if they saw a body and got scared, they would have called 911 first and not their friends. Especially if they saw blood, because we know in this crime where there was a body there was a lot of blood.

these r 20yo college girls tho

 

[Jessthinkin]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but the fact that the roommates called friends to the crime scene before police is concerning. Several of their friends were already at the scene of the crime when police arrived. They could have contaminated the scene, or worse yet, one of the "friends" could have been the killer. Also, considering this was a stabbing, wouldn't there be obvious blood near the victim? If I saw my friend in a pool of blood unconscious, first thing I'd do is call 911, not my friends to come take a look.

Similar to the trend police described on Sunday, the quartet’s concerned friends called other people to the home before notifying police.

Moscow Police received a call shortly before noon on Nov. 13 for a report of an "unconscious person" at the King Road home, but several people had gathered at the crime scene by the time police arrived, officials said.

My theory is the surviving roommate(s) only saw one person looking "unconscious". (If it was the person not found in bed, they could've been laying face down/covering up any blood stains.) Roommate(s) perhaps called a friend over to try and wake that "unconscious" person up. When the friend tried to do that, he/she discovered that the "unconscious" person seemed to be dead, or at least in need of emergency aid, so 911 was called.

 

[Saquish]

Is DNA taken of Juveniles convicted of animal cruelty? Can a juvenile commit a felony and stay on their record into adulthood?

I would be looking at this big time. <modsnip>

 

[scriabina]

Is DNA taken of Juveniles convicted of animal cruelty? Can a juvenile commit a felony and stay on their record into adulthood?

It certainly should be, but I don't think it is.