ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 15

[upintheair_83]

I totally agree. Although LE reported that there was no sign of sexual assault, that could have been the motive. If the perp was surprised that M & K were in the same room, he may have felt forced to abandon a planned sexual assault. However, attempting a sexual assault in a large house with potential housemates is clearly very risky. Then again, attempting to kill someone in that situation (i.e., potential housemates) is also very risky. JMO.

Plus the sexual element may have happened when the suspect is back home. Reliving the scene in his head.

 

[davisrnr1]

why would the killer close the br door when he left? what I think is most likely is D or B woke up went upstairs. Soon as ur upstairs u can see into Xs room. E was on floor blood everywhere. They freaked out ran downstairs to a safe room and called friends.

You could be right. Pure speculation by me.

However, killer could've closed door for whatever reason, potentially to delay discovery and give additional time to escape. Or one of victims could've stumbled towards door and knocked it closed and their body prevented it from being opened. That's certainly happened in other cases. Not saying either happened or even how likely they are, but definitely possible. Just my attempt to fit unconscious person narrative.

 

[Fascinated1]

Question—and I’m sorry for the ask here, but would the coroner and police differentiate between stabbing and slashing? In other words-if one’s throat was cut would it still called a stabbing?

 

[TooMuchGun]

For the same reason why bodies are covered up, maybe? It's insane and makes no sense, but closing and/or locking a door delays discovery of a body, same as covering one up.

but from the little we know and the fact the girls were cleared makes me think they saw a body and got scared

 

[crax.t]

Question—and I’m sorry for the ask here, but would the coroner and police differentiate between stabbing and slashing? In other words-if one’s throat was cut would it still called a stabbing?

if the majority of the wounds are stab vs slash, i imagine they'd just say stabbing. IMO

 

[Saquish]

There is a Harbor Freight store 20 minutes from the murder scene. They sell this knife for under $10. They also sell foot booties and body suits.

 

[crax.t]

There is a Harbor Freight store 20 minutes from the murder scene. They sell this knife for under $10. They also sell foot booties and body suits.
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nice sleuthing!!

IMO i feel like the knife had to be special to the perp. to commit a crime as personal as a stabbing, i feel like it would be something very important to them vs a $10 knife they grabbed beforehand.

 

[SRWCF]

This is something I have been wondering about. It's been widely and often reported that the stab wounds were in the chest and/or "torso and upper body". Would this include the neck??

I also believe this might be a piece of info LE may withhold since its something only the killer would know.

MOO

Reporter Brian Entin did one of his 1 hour specials a couple days ago and the former FBI agent he had on there, Jennifer, said she had been ambushed/attached before in real life. She explained that she didn't think people understood just how quickly something like that happens and that you literally have no time to react, fight back, or scream. Especially if the weapon is something as lethal as a knife.

My theory is this: have you ever hurt yourself (but not too severely) like stubbed your toe really bad or twisted your ankle? Remember your immediate reaction from the pain? Was it a scream or was it more like a gasp? For me, it's always a loud gasp. And if people are thinking it would be a scream, I can understand that reaction but wouldn't that be more out of fear rather than pain? To me, these poor victims were surprised and ambushed with absolutely no time to scream from fear before they were, sadly, dead.

 

[Scvanvliet]

Hi! I’m new to the site and this is my first post. I’ve read almost every thread on this case through #15, as well as the media links and the rules. I apologize in advance if I violate the TOS in anyway. I value the hard work of the people who make this site great. If I make an error, please let me know what I did so I don’t make it again. Thank you!

I am a WSU alum and have always felt a kinship with the U of I. This horrific crime has really his close to home. I have some theories that I think fall in line with what others have mentioned but with a different perspective. This is all my opinion.

There have been mentions that the person (I believe it to be just one) who committed these murders is a possibly current or former student and possibly a hunter. The use of a knife requires some level of skill with a knife and the brutality of killing with a knife would indicate (to me, again my opinion) a comfort level with blood. U of I is a top agricultural school in the US and the Palouse is farm country. The university has a program in "Animal & Veterinary Science: Production" which is raising and managing animals for meat. Through this program they learn to raise, slaughter and prepare meat for sale. Someone who studied in this major would have a history of using knives to prepare cuts of meat. Producing meat from animals they helped raise. It is my opinion that the killer was in this program or worked at a cattle processing facility close by. It would provide access and familiarity with knives and blood. I am not at all saying killing an animal for meat is the same as stabbing four living, breathing, sleeping humans is the same. I'm providing this opinion on possible background of the killer and skills they may have.

As for the house, it has been referred to quite a lot as a party house. Looking through social media sites of X, K & M they have a lot of friends from X & M’s sorority who continue to keep their personal pages public. These friends' past photos indicate that the house for several years always been rented by members of their sorority many of who have now graduated.

The layout of the house (thank you to those who have posted diagrams!) is complicated with the multiple points of entry and almost circular manner in navigating to each bedroom. I believe the killer was familiar with the house. He may have been there in years past when other people in their social network lived there and developed an obsession which has been brewing. I don’t know who the target is or the triggering event, but I believe it’s someone who has been connected to this house since prior to X, K & M moving in together with the surviving roommates.

 

[SRWCF]

nice sleuthing!!

IMO i feel like the knife had to be special to the perp. to commit a crime as personal as a stabbing, i feel like it would be something very important to them vs a $10 knife they grabbed beforehand.

Full body suit and booties has ALWAYS been my theory.

 

[TooMuchGun]

You could be right. Pure speculation by me.

However, killer could've closed door for whatever reason, potentially to delay discovery and give additional time to escape. Or one of victims could've stumbled towards door and knocked it closed and their body prevented it from being opened. That's certainly happened in other cases. Not saying either happened or even how likely they are, but definitely possible. Just my attempt to fit unconscious person narrative.

I think there is no chance the 1st floor girls entered any 2nd or 3rd fl bedrooms. This isn't the movies where they bravely walk towards the room and peak in. Think they ran downstairs and called friends/neighbors cuz they were terrified.

 

[Le Singe]

Question—and I’m sorry for the ask here, but would the coroner and police differentiate between stabbing and slashing? In other words-if one’s throat was cut would it still called a stabbing?

Coroner yes 100% cops too. Most crimes i've followed the can tell many things about what happened from these type details.

 

[whirrledpeas]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597638221600808961

This was super interesting. The former FBI agent mentions comments from a state trooper regarding there being a good likelihood that other people could have been with the surviving roommates that night. Does anyone know what state trooper comments she is referencing?

 

[Emerald15]

Just a thought. How about looking at juvenile records for animal cruelty in the surrounding area, or neighboring states. There can’t be that many, right?? Maybe I’m Wrong. Just a thought

 

[crax.t]

Hi! I’m new to the site and this is my first post. I’ve read almost every thread on this case through #15, as well as the media links and the rules. I apologize in advance if I violate the TOS in anyway. I value the hard work of the people who make this site great. If I make an error, please let me know what I did so I don’t make it again. Thank you!

I am a WSU alum and have always felt a kinship with the U of I. This horrific crime has really his close to home. I have some theories that I think fall in line with what others have mentioned but with a different perspective. This is all my opinion.

There have been mentions that the person (I believe it to be just one) who committed these murders is a possibly current or former student and possibly a hunter. The use of a knife requires some level of skill with a knife and the brutality of killing with a knife would indicate (to me, again my opinion) a comfort level with blood. U of I is a top agricultural school in the US and the Palouse is farm country. The university has a program in "Animal & Veterinary Science: Production" which is raising and managing animals for meat. Through this program they learn to raise, slaughter and prepare meat for sale. Someone who studied in this major would have a history of using knives to prepare cuts of meat. Producing meat from animals they helped raise. It is my opinion that the killer was in this program or worked at a cattle processing facility close by. It would provide access and familiarity with knives and blood. I am not at all saying killing an animal for meat is the same as stabbing four living, breathing, sleeping humans is the same. I'm providing this opinion on possible background of the killer and skills they may have.

As for the house, it has been referred to quite a lot as a party house. Looking through social media sites of X, K & M they have a lot of friends from X & M’s sorority who continue to keep their personal pages public. These friends' past photos indicate that the house for several years always been rented by members of their sorority many of who have now graduated.

The layout of the house (thank you to those who have posted diagrams!) is complicated with the multiple points of entry and almost circular manner in navigating to each bedroom. I believe the killer was familiar with the house. He may have been there in years past when other people in their social network lived there and developed an obsession which has been brewing. I don’t know who the target is or the triggering event, but I believe it’s someone who has been connected to this house since prior to X, K & M moving in together with the surviving roommates.

i never once considered the animal and vet science theory. that just kind of blew my mind hahah would be very interesting to see if the perp is found whether they had a focus in that

 

[gliving]

Bumping my own post. I'm not impressed with the retired FBI female. She seems to be putting her own interpretations on some known facts. Sorry Websleuthers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597638221600808961

 

[whirrledpeas]

There is a Harbor Freight store 20 minutes from the murder scene. They sell this knife for under $10. They also sell foot booties and body suits.
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I have a few of these knives. It’s not full tang as the handle is hollowed out to store matches and other things in. I only comment because the type of knife thought to be used has been described as needing to be very sturdy/full tang to withstand the damage that it did without breaking. MOO

 

[SRWCF]

nice sleuthing!!

IMO i feel like the knife had to be special to the perp. to commit a crime as personal as a stabbing, i feel like it would be something very important to them vs a $10 knife they grabbed beforehand.

Agreed. Like a prized possession.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[juliasalmons]

Full body suit and booties has ALWAYS been my theory.

ugh how creepy of a mental imag