4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 75

[BeginnerSleuther]

Question: when did XK, MM, KG, BF, and DM move into the house at 1122 King?

I thought it was Spring of 2022. There was an Instagram post by MM that said "meet the roommates" that was dated late May or early June 2022. JMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I believe they pulled more or less 9 months of BK avtivity as well. They were looking for pattern and prior contact. MOO MPD lookong good.

But there was all kinds of other information to suspect BK. What was there on previous DD drivers. My theory is that there is a connection between BK and DD, not the specific driver, just DD in general (and BK and Tinder). That's my impression. I just don't buy that it's LE doing their job. There's more here, IMO.

MOO.

 

[schooling]

I thought it was Spring of 2022. There was an Instagram post by MM that said "meet the roommates" that was dated late May or early June 2022. JMO.

Property owners in the town I went to college in required all leases to be 6/1 to 5/31 of the following year. You couldn’t sub it out to someone over the summer even if you weren’t going to be there.

The only way out of the lease was to find a suitable replacement (background, credit checks) and that person would be committed up until 5/31.

Off campus living was so competitive that they could do things like this.

 

[gremlin444]

Yes, but I hit Close on the paywall popup and it went away. Sometimes F5 works as does closing the window and hitting the link to it again. Neither worked this time so I had to click on the X to close the popup block.

Another way is to open it into an incognito window, that works on my Mac using Chrome.

 

[schooling]

But there was all kinds of other information to suspect BK. What was there on previous DD drivers. My theory is that there is a connection between BK and DD, not the specific driver, just DD in general (and BK and Tinder). That's my impression. I just don't buy that it's LE doing their job. There's more here, IMO.

MOO.

There's obviously no way for me to definitively and factually dismiss your hunch. At this point it's just as plausible as any other.

But what would it look like if a Moscow Detective was on the stand...And BK's defense attorney asked them "Did you look into the DoorDash Driver who was there minutes before the murders?"

If that detective doesn't have a thorough answer. And his answer is "BK was a much stronger suspect so we ignored the driver and his service" that's almost the textbook definition of reasonable doubt.

BK's defense team will likely (IMO) already argue that LE focused on BK almost immediately and had blinders on for other suspects.

 

[PrairieWind]

Property owners in the town I went to college in required all leases to be 6/1 to 5/31 of the following year. You couldn’t sub it out to someone over the summer even if you weren’t going to be there.

The only way out of the lease was to find a suitable replacement (background, credit checks) and that person would be committed up until 5/31.

Off campus living was so competitive that they could do things like this.

That is pretty much how apartment leases worked in the university town I went to.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

But again I ask, why didn't Amazon get a warrant? Why didn't UPS drivers/FedEx drivers? Who was their mailman? IMO, it doesn't make sense to isolate DD with the above explanation. Are we thinking they never got Instacart? They didn't take the Uber-like service provided by the University back in January, February, March, etc? Why no warrants there? One thing is not like the others. There was something special about DD drivers beyond the one who delivered food that night. I'm just curious as to what that is.

MOO.

Maybe it relates to specific details of K suspecting she was being stalked? By whom and how she felt that was taking place. Also remembering that one of the males, JD I believe was escorting M & K home that evening (via the Grub Hut and then they got in a share car) in order to keep them safe, I believe it was stated at the time?

If say, for example, K felt was being followed or stalked late at night or in the small hours by someone who seemed to be a DD operative, then perhaps that would lean towards LE checking who all the DD people have been in the past months, as opposed to say who all the early morning parcel delivery people are. The grounds for warrants could then be made on the basis of a witness statement from someone who knew about this. JMO MOO

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1636092911979749376

Details about #BryanKohberger’s life inside jail have been revealed as the accused Idaho student murderer awaits his preliminary hearing in June. The Law&Crime Network’s
@sierragillespie breaks down Kohberger’s behavior and activities inside the Latah County jail.

 

[Peppery]

I don't think that's far-fetched at all, and I thank you for mentioning it. That's kind of my point. It feels like because LE is sure they have their guy, any other discussion about the oddities of the case is dismissed as LE just doing their job. I feel like it's more than that. It could still be that BK is their guy, but I'm so curious about everything else because it really does not seem normal to me.

Re: your theory. It's a good one, but if we agree that BK arrived on the scene in August, then why would they need all the DD drivers from January - August? IMO, there's more there. Maybe BK really did pick WSU because of one of the victims? Maybe this didn't all start with his arrival on the scene. Maybe there is a connection with DD or one of their drivers from months before the murder or even months before he moved from PA.

MOO.

Could be as benign as he was in Pullman in early/spring 2022 to interview, to apartment search, for an orientation or meet and greet of PhD students. Or maybe even before that while narrowing down his list of schools to apply to. This is moo, but I can't imagine moving cross country for school without ever having visited the campus.

Add in 4 outgoing, social victims, any of whom could have been the target, and there are myriad opportunities for their paths to potentially cross with BK. We don't know where any of them may have worked in 2021 or earlier 2022, but it's not far fetched to think they probably interacted with the public pretty frequently, either socially or while on the job. I can see BK finding out the name of a waitress, a guy he sat next to at a bar, bumping into someone at a sporting event, a concert, while shopping, etc and exchanging pleasantries. Maybe he totally fixated on one of them, stalked their SM for the last year, and finally made the decision to strike? All we really know is he chose those victims at some point before 11/13/22.

 

[NyxNY]

I don't think that's far-fetched at all, and I thank you for mentioning it. That's kind of my point. It feels like because LE is sure they have their guy, any other discussion about the oddities of the case is dismissed as LE just doing their job. I feel like it's more than that. It could still be that BK is their guy, but I'm so curious about everything else because it really does not seem normal to me.

Re: your theory. It's a good one, but if we agree that BK arrived on the scene in August, then why would they need all the DD drivers from January - August? IMO, there's more there. Maybe BK really did pick WSU because of one of the victims? Maybe this didn't all start with his arrival on the scene. Maybe there is a connection with DD or one of their drivers from months before the murder or even months before he moved from PA.

MOO.

I am not steadfast on the theory I mentioned. Just tossing things out there, as I find the warrants for the DDDs odd as well. Thank you for laying it out the way you did. I think I'm with you here, and there just has to be more to it. MOO

 

[ktm44]

<modsnip>

I did find the following info - that the share car driver who dropped M & K off lived nearby to BK in Pullman and maybe it is this info that I've got mixed up with?

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

*not in any way suggesting any food premises or delivery driver or this car driver is in any way connected to the murders, just for clarification.

I think that's an assumption that's been assumed fact because of the bag that DM photographed on the counter.

 

[renarde]

“It’s almost too good to be true, unless this guy was miraculously set up, which is like a one in a billion chance. No one cares enough about Bryan Kohberger to set him up.”

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

 

[gliving]

Adding to my post about Kaylee's phone warrant missing the IMEI #. I googled how to find a phone's IMEI # without having the phone in your possession and the results said to log into your Google account. Google keeps track of IMEI #s. Then I noticed that Kaylee is the only victim with a Google search warrant.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Google 1.pdf
(see page 12)

This is all speculation on my part. I could be totally wrong.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Adding to my post about Kaylee's phone warrant missing the IMEI #. I googled how to find a phone's IMEI # without having the phone in your possession and the results said to log into your Google account. Google keeps track of IMEI #s. Then I noticed that Kaylee is the only victim with a Google search warrant.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Google 1.pdf
(see page 12)

This is all speculation on my part. I could be totally wrong.

I'm curious how Google would get this information.

 

[Gemmie]

I'm curious how Google would get this information.

Googling came up with:

If you have lost your phone but did not record the IMEI number beforehand, you can still retrieve the number from your Google Account.

Just go to Google Settings, sign-in with your Google account and expand the Android tab. Here you will see of all Android devices that are connected to your Google Account and it will list the IMEI number of your phone as well.

Lost your Phone? You Can Still Retrieve its IMEI Number - Digital Inspiration

Tech, a la carte

www.labnol.org

And from Apple:

If you don't have your device​

There are several places to check that might show the serial or IMEI/MEID number.

1. Go to appleid.apple.com in a web browser.
2. Sign in with the Apple ID that you use on your device.
3. Choose the Devices section. To see the serial and IMEI/MEID number, select the device.

Find the serial number or IMEI on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch - Apple Support (AE)

Learn how to find the serial number, IMEI/MEID, CDN, and ICCID on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

support.apple.com

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Googling came up with:

If you have lost your phone but did not record the IMEI number beforehand, you can still retrieve the number from your Google Account.

Just go to Google Settings, sign-in with your Google account and expand the Android tab. Here you will see of all Android devices that are connected to your Google Account and it will list the IMEI number of your phone as well.

Lost your Phone? You Can Still Retrieve its IMEI Number - Digital Inspiration

Tech, a la carte

www.labnol.org

And from Apple:

If you don't have your device​

There are several places to check that might show the serial or IMEI/MEID number.

1. Go to appleid.apple.com in a web browser.
2. Sign in with the Apple ID that you use on your device.
3. Choose the Devices section. To see the serial and IMEI/MEID number, select the device.

Find the serial number or IMEI on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch - Apple Support (AE)

Learn how to find the serial number, IMEI/MEID, CDN, and ICCID on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

support.apple.com

Thanks.

So Google only has it IF it's an android phone AND if that phone is "associated" with the Google account. I think that answers my question. When a person associates a phone number with their Google account, Google must be able to get all the phone's technical info, including the IMEI, from the service provider. I'm guessing.

 

[Nila Aella]

Googling came up with:

If you have lost your phone but did not record the IMEI number beforehand, you can still retrieve the number from your Google Account.

Just go to Google Settings, sign-in with your Google account and expand the Android tab. Here you will see of all Android devices that are connected to your Google Account and it will list the IMEI number of your phone as well.

Lost your Phone? You Can Still Retrieve its IMEI Number - Digital Inspiration

Tech, a la carte

www.labnol.org

And from Apple:

If you don't have your device​

There are several places to check that might show the serial or IMEI/MEID number.

1. Go to appleid.apple.com in a web browser.
2. Sign in with the Apple ID that you use on your device.
3. Choose the Devices section. To see the serial and IMEI/MEID number, select the device.

Find the serial number or IMEI on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch - Apple Support (AE)

Learn how to find the serial number, IMEI/MEID, CDN, and ICCID on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

support.apple.com

In the Apple warrant:

All records or other information regarding the devices associated with, or used in SEARCH WARRANT REDACTED connection with, the account (including all current and past trusted or authorized iOS devices and computers, and any devices used to access Apple services), including serial numbers, Unique Device Identifiers (“UDID”), Advertising Identifiers (“IDFA”), Global Unique Identifiers (“GUID”), Media Access Control (“MAC”) addresses, Integrated Circuit Card ID numbers (“ICCID”), Electronic Serial Numbers (“ESN”), Mobile Electronic Identity Numbers (“MEl'N”), Mobile Equipment Identifiers (“MEID”), Mobile Identification Numbers (“MIN”), Subscriber Identity Modules (“SIM”), Mobile Subscriber Integrated Services Digital Network Numbers (“MSISDN”), International Mobile Subscriber Identities (“IMSI”), and International Mobile Station Equipment Identities (“IMEI”)

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Apple%201.pdf

edit: added one apple warrant link (KG)

 

[Nila Aella]

Adding to my post about Kaylee's phone warrant missing the IMEI #. I googled how to find a phone's IMEI # without having the phone in your possession and the results said to log into your Google account. Google keeps track of IMEI #s. Then I noticed that Kaylee is the only victim with a Google search warrant.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Google 1.pdf
(see page 12)

This is all speculation on my part. I could be totally wrong.

In BKs google warrant (didn't see it in KGs). The last two Google warrants were sealed. MOO

Android- records for Android Devices, to include subscriber information, other associated accounts, cellular carrier information, and device/hardware information

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Google.pdf

 

[JennyM523]

Property owners in the town I went to college in required all leases to be 6/1 to 5/31 of the following year. You couldn’t sub it out to someone over the summer even if you weren’t going to be there.

The only way out of the lease was to find a suitable replacement (background, credit checks) and that person would be committed up until 5/31.

Off campus living was so competitive that they could do things like this.

Not in my college town - but that was a while back. I routinely had a Jan - Dec lease. Regardless, they prob went back that far to see if there was a pattern with drivers. At the time the warrant was issued, they didn’t have BK as a suspect, or were at least exploring others while they investigated him.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

There's obviously no way for me to definitively and factually dismiss your hunch. At this point it's just as plausible as any other.

But what would it look like if a Moscow Detective was on the stand...And BK's defense attorney asked them "Did you look into the DoorDash Driver who was there minutes before the murders?"

If that detective doesn't have a thorough answer. And his answer is "BK was a much stronger suspect so we ignored the driver and his service" that's almost the textbook definition of reasonable doubt.

BK's defense team will likely (IMO) already argue that LE focused on BK almost immediately and had blinders on for other suspects.

But you're arguing against something I never said. I said from the start that the DD driver "who was there minutes before the murders" obviously should be thoroughly investigated. There's nothing the least bit suspicious about this and had LE not investigated this individual, that would be malpractice, IMO. That isn't what I'm talking about.