4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 75

[BeginnerSleuther]

Maybe it relates to specific details of K suspecting she was being stalked? By whom and how she felt that was taking place. Also remembering that one of the males, JD I believe was escorting M & K home that evening (via the Grub Hut and then they got in a share car) in order to keep them safe, I believe it was stated at the time?

If say, for example, K felt was being followed or stalked late at night or in the small hours by someone who seemed to be a DD operative, then perhaps that would lean towards LE checking who all the DD people have been in the past months, as opposed to say who all the early morning parcel delivery people are. The grounds for warrants could then be made on the basis of a witness statement from someone who knew about this. JMO MOO

Exactly. This is my theory and this is what I'm getting at.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Could be as benign as he was in Pullman in early/spring 2022 to interview, to apartment search, for an orientation or meet and greet of PhD students. Or maybe even before that while narrowing down his list of schools to apply to. This is moo, but I can't imagine moving cross country for school without ever having visited the campus.

Add in 4 outgoing, social victims, any of whom could have been the target, and there are myriad opportunities for their paths to potentially cross with BK. We don't know where any of them may have worked in 2021 or earlier 2022, but it's not far fetched to think they probably interacted with the public pretty frequently, either socially or while on the job. I can see BK finding out the name of a waitress, a guy he sat next to at a bar, bumping into someone at a sporting event, a concert, while shopping, etc and exchanging pleasantries. Maybe he totally fixated on one of them, stalked their SM for the last year, and finally made the decision to strike? All we really know is he chose those victims at some point before 11/13/22.

Right, and that's why I'm saying this. There's a reason LE thought it was relevant to dig through records long before BK moved to Pullman. I don't think the possibility of him being in Pullman at that time is benign at all. It would explain a lot. That's my point. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Adding to my post about Kaylee's phone warrant missing the IMEI #. I googled how to find a phone's IMEI # without having the phone in your possession and the results said to log into your Google account. Google keeps track of IMEI #s. Then I noticed that Kaylee is the only victim with a Google search warrant.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Google 1.pdf
(see page 12)

This is all speculation on my part. I could be totally wrong.

Didn't Kaylee's family say early on that they were able to access her phone through the family password? Or was it that they had her phone? Am I missing something? IMO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Property owners in the town I went to college in required all leases to be 6/1 to 5/31 of the following year. You couldn’t sub it out to someone over the summer even if you weren’t going to be there.

The only way out of the lease was to find a suitable replacement (background, credit checks) and that person would be committed up until 5/31.

Off campus living was so competitive that they could do things like this.

Which fits with MM's meet the roommates post on Instagram.

 

[rsd1200]

Worth doing - especially after Athena Strand. I know early in that thread, all the theories were about it being done by a family member, or her having run away or got lost. Wow, were we wrong. I don't think any of us expected it to be a random, opportunistic abduction and murder by the guy delivering her Christmas present.

I followed that case, I had to take a break. Heartbreaking.

 

[gliving]

Didn't Kaylee's family say early on that they were able to access her phone through the family password? Or was it that they had her phone? Am I missing something? IMO.

Yes, I also remember her family was able to get into her accounts through their family plan. I was hypothesizing about LE not finding her actual phone because her IMEI# isn't listed on her Apple warrant while the other victims are. <moo>

 

[Dexter12]

<modsnip>

I did find the following info - that the share car driver who dropped M & K off lived nearby to BK in Pullman and maybe it is this info that I've got mixed up with?

'He Lived 1,200 Feet From My Door': Driver Who Brought Idaho Victims Home the Night They Were Killed Is 'Exceptionally Glad' About Suspect's Arrest

"I spent six weeks trying to convince my wife there was not a threat and I was wrong," the ride-share driver, who had brought two of the victims home the night they were killed, told Law&Crime.

lawandcrime.com

*not in any way suggesting any food premises or delivery driver or this car driver is in any way connected to the murders, just for clarification.

Interesting! I wonder if he is included in the multitude of warrants that are sealed

 

[8th Bob-White]

The technology forensics in the Murdaugh case helped to provide gps pinpoints that were a big part of him being found guilty. Does anyone know if Bryan's Elantra would have much in the way of electronic information (likely no On-Star)? I'm hopeful the gps information from his phone will help provide more exact information vs cell tower data. Thoughts?

 

[realanastasia]

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

 

[Ksfarmer8]

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

That is a good article. It remains to be seen what might have influenced BK and in MHO it could have been the influence of Prof Ramsland at DeSales. Ramsland wrote many books related to the Murders by BTK in Kansas and the one "Confession of a Serial Killer" delves into double lives, killer next door etc. It seems to answer many of the questions BK probably posted asking convicts questions on stalking victims and other suspicious questions. JMO

 

[JennyM523]

Right, and that's why I'm saying this. There's a reason LE thought it was relevant to dig through records long before BK moved to Pullman. I don't think the possibility of him being in Pullman at that time is benign at all. It would explain a lot. That's my point. MOO.

Except that the warrants were dated in early December. They hadn’t identified BK by that time.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Except that the warrants were dated in early December. They hadn’t identified BK by that time.

I'm not sure that matters, but they had identified BK by then. Per PCA, he was (at the very least) a POI 11/29. But even if they didn't, I don't believe it's standard operating procedure to get a warrant for DD drivers for 10 months, even following a quadruple murder. I believe something led LE in that direction even after talking to the DD driver. MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Bryan Kohberger’s life under the radar: Walking in the footsteps of an alleged mass murderer

Lehighvalleylive.com partnered with the Law&Crime Network in the network’s weeks-long investigation into the life of the former DeSales, NCC student before the murders.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

Interesting that his Biology partner says he was normal which goes against what most of his other acquaintances say.

 

[Nila Aella]

The technology forensics in the Murdaugh case helped to provide gps pinpoints that were a big part of him being found guilty. Does anyone know if Bryan's Elantra would have much in the way of electronic information (likely no On-Star)? I'm hopeful the gps information from his phone will help provide more exact information vs cell tower data. Thoughts?

Just doing a brief search, it looks like an upgrade. I don't know what model his elantra is. MOO

The 2015 Hyundai Elantra did indeed come with GPS, but only as part of the upgraded infotainment package.

Does the 2015 Hyundai Elantra have GPS?

The 2015 Hyundai Elantra did indeed come with GPS, but only as part of the upgraded infotainment package. This package added A7 inch touch screen to the center dash, which includes bluetooth functionality as well as navigation and GPS capabilities. Unfortunately, this was not offered as standard...

www.vehiclehistory.com

The In-built GPS Navigation option is available in selected models of Hyundai Elantra - SX 2.0 MT, SX 1.5 MT, SX 2.0 AT, SX (O) 2.0 AT, SX (O) 1.5 AT.

Does Hyundai Elantra has GPS navigation system? | Elantra FAQ

The In-built GPS Navigation option is available in selected models of Hyundai Elantra - SX 2.0 MT, S | Hyundai Elantra FAQ

www.cartrade.com

 

[schooling]

Just doing a brief search, it looks like an upgrade. I don't know what model his elantra is. MOO

The 2015 Hyundai Elantra did indeed come with GPS, but only as part of the upgraded infotainment package.

Does the 2015 Hyundai Elantra have GPS?

The 2015 Hyundai Elantra did indeed come with GPS, but only as part of the upgraded infotainment package. This package added A7 inch touch screen to the center dash, which includes bluetooth functionality as well as navigation and GPS capabilities. Unfortunately, this was not offered as standard...

www.vehiclehistory.com

The In-built GPS Navigation option is available in selected models of Hyundai Elantra - SX 2.0 MT, SX 1.5 MT, SX 2.0 AT, SX (O) 2.0 AT, SX (O) 1.5 AT.

Does Hyundai Elantra has GPS navigation system? | Elantra FAQ

The In-built GPS Navigation option is available in selected models of Hyundai Elantra - SX 2.0 MT, S | Hyundai Elantra FAQ

www.cartrade.com

You can clearly see (IMO) from the video of him being pulled over in Indiana that he has the basic (non-upgraded) unit.

The one place that they might be able to recover information from is Android's 'Timeline' feature. Which is purposely buried within the settings of Google Maps. It provides a spooky amount of information on your movements and location. Minute by minute.

Apple's equivalent is "Frequent Locations". So if the victims kept that feature on (it's also buried on the iPhone) then LE will have detailed tracking of their movements.

The only way to turn off these features is to find them and toggle them off or to disable GPS (explicitly or via Airplane Mode). Otherwise, there's been reports of Frequent Locations / Timeline working even when the phone is turned off.

Edit: when you wake up and open Google Maps or Apple Maps and it says "Your Commute to Work is 20 minutes, Click Here to Leave Now" or if your phone tells you the time to the gym after work....that's Timeline and Frequent Locations data in action.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Bryan Kohberger obsessively watches news coverage of himself in jail: inmate

“He watches himself all the time,” one of the jailbirds said. “It’s really kind of bizarre.”

nypost.com

 

[CSIDreamer]

Bryan Kohberger obsessively watches news coverage of himself in jail: inmate

“He watches himself all the time,” one of the jailbirds said. “It’s really kind of bizarre.”

nypost.com

Isn't he in solitary? How would other inmates know what he does all day? Jmo

 

[WingsOverTX]

What I am about to say may be totally far-fetched and over-reaching, but is it possible that LE was being so careful in covering all bases, that they thought it possible for BK to try to explain away being near that house so many times from August - November during late evening/early a.m., by saying he was delivering DD? This all being in anticipation of BK using this as an explanation? As I understand it (and I could be wrong) DD works similar to Uber in that the drivers are not actual employees. All speculation, MOO

If BK worked for DD in 2022, they would issue him a 1099 for IRS income reporting purposes. I think someone would have told the media by now if an infamous mass murderer had delivered their KFC. Not all deliveries are anonymous.
JMO

 

[U.N. Known]

What I am about to say may be totally far-fetched and over-reaching, but is it possible that LE was being so careful in covering all bases, that they thought it possible for BK to try to explain away being near that house so many times from August - November during late evening/early a.m., by saying he was delivering DD? This all being in anticipation of BK using this as an explanation? As I understand it (and I could be wrong) DD works similar to Uber in that the drivers are not actual employees. All speculation, MOONot

Never mind on the above; I still don't know how to delete in here...

An IMEI# is like a VIN for phones. Every phone has one and it's a unique indentifier. There are individual warrants for each of the victim's phones. Xana, Ethan and Maddie's warrants each have the IMEI # listed but Kaylee's warrant doesn't mention the IMEI#. It only has the last four digits of her phone number. Could it be that Kaylee's phone wasn't found so LE didn't know her IMEI?

That would be interesting because we know she had it between the time she came home and the time she was murdered (the calls to the ex-boyfriend that night). If her phone truly wasn't found it means that (1.) the murderer took it or (2.) one of the people in the house after the murders took it.

 

[Gemmie]

Never mind on the above; I still don't know how to delete in here...

If less than an hour after posting you can edit your post and delete the text. Most of use do that overwriting what was there with a DBM. After an hour you'd need to Report your post asking a Mod to remove it for you.