4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #85

[jepop]

• 07/14/2023 Affidavit of Rylene L Nowlin
• 07/14/2023 Motion to Temp Seal
• 07/14/2023 Reply In Support of Motion for Protectiive Order
• 07/14/2023 Temp Order Sealing Stipulation and Order Re Return of Evidentiary Items
• 07/17/2023 Motion for Scheduling Order
• 07/17/2023 Motion to Reconsider Order Staying Time for Speedy Trial
• 07/17/2023 Notice of Hearing

On a first reading the State's reply In support of Motion for Protective Order (IGG) is measured and respectfully worded. There's a lot of attention to detail, including challenges to the relevance of some of the Defense's wording and assertions in their objection. The defense's IGG expert submissions filed with their objection to the protective order are also challenged. State's Motion includes a flow diagram depicting the procesesses undertaken with dna sheath button evidence. The Affidavit of Rylene L. Nowlin is filed as an adjunct to State's motion Imo. State also suggests a hearing if deemed necessary, for Court to be satisfied there is no exculpatory information/evidence to be found in the in the IGG investigative process. Moo

State's Motion to Reconsider Order Staying Time for Speedy trial also appears to be a very measured response - Concerns relate to precendent, potential for litigation and un-predictability for victims and trial witnesses. It's quite detailed though and I'm not really fully comprehending the legal aspects. Moo

Motion for scheduling Order:State wanting to lay out a stipulated schedule including time limts for filing motions Imo.

Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Death penalty cases become very complicated in part because judges are very careful of their decisions being turned back on appeal. I really wish this case was life without poss. of parole instead of the death penalty.

I agree, but I'd like to think Judge JJ will apply his ruling decisions based on the facts being presented not out of fear.

MOO

 

[jepop]

Woot woot, looks like the esteemed Bill Thompson and Company have had enough with the melodramatic motions of the Defense.

I loved the motion to reconsider order staying time for speedy trial. I agree that that Judge should reconsider, I believe it to be a purely tactical move by the Defendant. Either he waives his speedy trial or he doesn't. He shouldn't receive special consideration IMO.

The Defense and the IGG information demand would be almost comical if we weren't talking about the murder of 4 innocent young lives. STR DNA identified BK as the absolute contributor of the DNA on the knife sheath, not the IGG analysis.

Love hearing the State's response to these motions. I have every faith in their case and support them in their efforts to bring a dangerous Defendant to trial and a conviction.

MOO

I agree. They're a breath of fresh air. Great responses. Clear, respectful, informed and considered. Very un-dramatic. The Prosecution knows what it's doing. Moo

 

[ilovewings]

I agree, but I'd like to think Judge JJ will apply his ruling decisions based on the facts being presented not out of fear.

MOO

With high profile cases like this I expect all kinds of shenanigans from the defense. It happens with regularity. I hope the judge will stand firm and apply appropriate rulings.

 

[Nila Aella]

DBM messed up my dates so fixing to repost

 

[Nila Aella]

The new Meta Warrants:

Facebook (March 30 warrant) Victims plus DM and BF (June 23-Aug1) All 6 returned

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071323%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Meta%201.pdf

Instagram (March 30): KG,EC,XK, DM, BF (June 23-Aug1) three returns one not received

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071323%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Meta%202.pdf

Instagram (4/19 warrant): XK, MM (June 23-Nov21) No return for accounts requested

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071323%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Meta.pdf

I noticed that the dates were different on this one compared to the other two. MOO

The only difference I see from the old warrants (Aug-Nov) are the time periods (June-Aug/Nov).
Wondering what probable cause LE had to expand the time period to earlier. JMO

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj-h5ie-ZaAAxX4KlkFHZj2DS4QFnoECBgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcoi.isc.idaho.gov%2F&usg=AOvVaw3QpkN0NQPCGFbgfzIE_S1f&opi=89978449

Edit: grammar and spelling

 

[ilovewings]

Yes! Especially by James Patterson. He sells a lot of books.
MSM and SM (you tube, twitter, facebook, and podcasts) too. MOO

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj-2peu55aAAxX2gGoFHeV2C_UQFnoECEwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJames_Patterson&usg=AOvVaw3E0IMBwwlJ9YluoNTVBG2k&opi=89978449

I don't understand writing a true crime book (or will he make it fiction?) in any event, why would you write such a book before the conclusion (trial)- I don't understand that. Does not make sense to me

 

[Twistinginthewind]

• 07/14/2023 Affidavit of Rylene L Nowlin
• 07/14/2023 Motion to Temp Seal
• 07/14/2023 Reply In Support of Motion for Protectiive Order
• 07/14/2023 Temp Order Sealing Stipulation and Order Re Return of Evidentiary Items
• 07/17/2023 Motion for Scheduling Order
• 07/17/2023 Motion to Reconsider Order Staying Time for Speedy Trial
• 07/17/2023 Notice of Hearing

Thanks, @Nila Aella

I like this one of the "affirmations" by the State Lab Manager Nowlin (BBM):

"10. I affirm the ISPFS Biology/DNA casework section does not require submitting agencies to notify the laboratory how suspect/subject was identified in case. How suspect/subject was identified has no effect on the laboratory analysis performed on the known reference sample from that individual. It also has no impact on the statistical calculations performed when doing direct comparison of the reference sample S'TR profile with the STR profile developed from the evidence sample."

MOO

 

[schooling]

I think you are trying too hard to find an explanation for the unidentified DNA. Don't get in the way of yourself when analyzing a crime scene.

This is good advice…

As far as people going upstairs, I have yet to see any photos or video (police bodycam) of men on the 3rd floor of that house with the exception of MM's boyfriend who was photographed with MM. I have seen other, unidentified women up there WITH the victims at parties and in photos. The parties appear to mainly take place on the 2nd floor and outside on the patio. I have seen men come down the front staircase and answer the front door on the 1st floor. That is what the evidence has shown thus far. My suggestion is that you go through all the photos and form your own opinion. But for me, I will stick with what the evidence has shown thus far.

The current college students I know don't allow others into their bedroom unless they are close friends or it is a boyfriend or girlfriend. Why? Because they have stuff in their rooms that someone might steal. To me, that makes sense and I would not be surprised if others did the same.

JMO.

But then the follow up is all assumptions based off of the limited information that we know so far and interpretations using personal experiences. College students are all over the behavioral spectrum. A few that we know personally are probably not representative of the entire student body of a 15,000 student university.

The facts are only one DNA profile was found on the sheath. That person had no business being there and tried to obscure his entire drive to the house.

We have no clue where the other two DNA profiles were found in the house.

 

[schooling]

Thanks, @Nila Aella

I like this one of the "affirmations" by the State Lab Manager Nowlin (BBM):

"10. I affirm the ISPFS Biology/DNA casework section does not require submitting agencies to notify the laboratory how suspect/subject was identified in case. How suspect/subject was identified has no effect on the laboratory analysis performed on the known reference sample from that individual. It also has no impact on the statistical calculations performed when doing direct comparison of the reference sample S'TR profile with the STR profile developed from the evidence sample."

MOO

I’ve been trying to find a way to say this to the critics of genetic dna hunting. This is so well put.

 

[schooling]

Death penalty cases become very complicated in part because judges are very careful of their decisions being turned back on appeal. I really wish this case was life without poss. of parole instead of the death penalty.

Doesn’t it depend on the ruling? I’ve seen death penalties get overturned and the underlying convictions reaffirmed.

 

[Karin1974]

My siblings both use an app that allows them to see their partners screens in real time. It’s a tracker showing their locations and all texts that come on their screen. I have avoided asking more about this app but will today.
I don’t believe it’s impossible that BK could have known about the door dash delivery if he was using an app like this to stalk them. You only need their Wi-Fi password.

IMO - This blows my mind - I’m not hiding anything & I don’t look at or do anything nefarious on my phone but there’s no way I’d allow my partner to have this kind of access (Or vice versa) This absolutely reeks of distrust! MOO

 

[Boxer]

I don't understand writing a true crime book (or will he make it fiction?) in any event, why would you write such a book before the conclusion (trial)- I don't understand that. Does not make sense to me

$ First to market.

 

[Ursamajr]

I don't understand writing a true crime book (or will he make it fiction?) in any event, why would you write such a book before the conclusion (trial)- I don't understand that. Does not make sense to me

Cash grab. I've never read any of his book and I'm even less likely to in the future.

 

[Nila Aella]

I don't understand writing a true crime book (or will he make it fiction?) in any event, why would you write such a book before the conclusion (trial)- I don't understand that. Does not make sense to me

According to this article, it is an investigative nonfiction book:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjT7sm99JeAAxV2L1kFHavbA_IQFnoECA4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fmollybohannon%2F2023%2F05%2F19%2Fjames-patterson-to-write-book-about-the-university-of-idaho-murders-just-months-after-incident%2F&usg=AOvVaw3aIT2UXovY_bXHBr97TdZy&opi=89978449

Best-selling novelist James Patterson and investigative journalist Vicky Ward will reportedly team up to write a nonfiction book

Patterson said he’s “as caught up in” the murders as anyone else and sees telling the story as “a compelling challenge” that he and Ward are “eager to investigate further”— Deadline reported that Patterson said he hasn’t been haunted by a story like this since he wrote Filthy Rich about Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes in 2016

The book doesn’t have a title or release date yet.

Skydance Television is planning to option the rights to the book for a docuseries based on Patterson and Ward’s investigation,

 

[jepop]

The new Meta Warrants:

Facebook (March 30 warrant) Victims plus DM and BF (June 23-Aug1) All 6 returned

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071323%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Meta%201.pdf

Instagram (March 30): KG,EC,XK, DM, BF (June 23-Aug1) three returns one not received

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071323%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Meta%202.pdf

Instagram (4/19 warrant): XK, MM (June 23-Nov21) No return for accounts requested

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071323%20Order%20to%20Seal%20and%20Redact%20-%20Meta.pdf

I noticed that the dates were different on this one compared to the other two. MOO

The only difference I see from the old warrants (Aug-Nov) are the time periods (June-Aug/Nov).
Wondering what probable cause LE had to expand the time period to earlier. JMO

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj-h5ie-ZaAAxX4KlkFHZj2DS4QFnoECBgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcoi.isc.idaho.gov%2F&usg=AOvVaw3QpkN0NQPCGFbgfzIE_S1f&opi=89978449

Edit: grammar and spelling

It's just a guess re PC but the Moscow PD forensic Lab warrant for BK's phone came back on 9th Jan. I think that means the date the raw data was extracted and then available for analysis by forensic agents/investigtors, specialists or whoever does that side of things. The additional warrants for BK Google, Tik tok etc begin from Jan 25th I believe - then later more victim warrants for social media. I'm just struck by the June 23rd starting date and think the forensics analyses of BK's phone (and possibly other devices) may be tied to the start date for PC - so what was found in his phone and new google/social media warrants for BK. Moo

Moscow PD forensic lab warrant

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20%20Redact%20-%20Moscow%20Police%20Department%20Forensic%20Lab.pdf

 

[Charlot123]

It says, “off or in airplane mode.” So I think that it’s being off would make a better explanation for him. ‘He just turned it off to save the battery.’ That’s a little awkward if he routinely kept a charging cord in his car, of course, but there’s been quite a few times when I didn’t have one in my car.

MOO, not that I believe that explanation

Let me put it so, if he’d drive to Moscow at least twice a week and always turn off his phone, I’d tend to believe him. But if his phone was pinging around Kind Rd house on twelve occasions, and he’d never switch it off, and on thirteenth he’d suddenly switch it off, I would not be inclined to believe him. I can imagine my phone battery dying or even running out of gas, but BK seems to be a creature of habit, a planner. He either switches off his phone each time when driving to Moscow, for whatever reason, or not at all.

 

[Nila Aella]

Return of evidentiary items

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071423%20Temp%20Order%20Sealing%20Stipulation%20and%20Order%20Re%20Return%20of%20Evidentiary%20Items%20Pending%20Hearing.pdf

Looks like the newly posted notice of hearing is for concerns about transporting the evidentiary items.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/071723%20Notice%20of%20Hearing%20for%20August%20%202%202023.pdf

MOO
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[jepop]

Let me put it so, if he’d drive to Moscow at least twice a week and always turn off his phone, I’d tend to believe him. But if his phone was pinging around Kind Rd house on twelve occasions, and he’d never switch it off, and on thirteenth he’d suddenly switch it off, I would not be inclined to believe him. I can imagine my phone battery dying or even running out of gas, but BK seems to be a creature of habit, a planner. He either switches off his phone each time when driving to Moscow, for whatever reason, or not at all.

Those are good points Imo. There's also the question of why BK's phone never again utilises the cellular resources utilised by 1122 King Road after Nov 13th, as per PCA. Moo

 

[Charlot123]

I don't understand writing a true crime book (or will he make it fiction?) in any event, why would you write such a book before the conclusion (trial)- I don't understand that. Does not make sense to me

Books are written to be sold. It happened with CW’s case. Some author wrote a book (nothing to speak of), but it had the first published photo of NK, so people bought it, and I assume the author got nice royalties.