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Bryan Kohberger Fights for Cell Phone, Video Evidence in Idaho Murders: 'It's Exculpatory'
Bryan Kohberger Fights for Cell Phone, Video Evidence in Idaho Murders: 'It's Exculpatory'
Yet, the Defense is going after something similar. I've read a lot for and against touch DNA.
Just to play devil's advocate (because I do think BK is the killer), what would happen if BK looked at the knife in a store and opened the sheath (leaving touch DNA on the snap) and then put it back; then someone else comes along, buys the knife but doesn't open it until he has gloves on and --just to be safe -- wipes down the entire sheath to remove any errant DNA?
That's the sort of scenario I think we'll see the Defense argue.
Keep in mind that convictions based on touch DNA, such as the Amanda Knox case, have been overturned later.
Has the question been answered, I would envision by BK’s attorney - if there is supposed evidence that the defense team and her client have not seen or been provided - exactly how does the attorney / her client know that it is ‘exculpatory’? MOO
RBBM above. Imo his attorneys don't know. It's called/is on a par with concept of plausible deniabilty. MooHas the question been answered, I would envision by BK’s attorney - if there is supposed evidence that the defense team and her client have not seen or been provided - exactly how does the attorney / her client know that it is ‘exculpatory’? MOO
If I'm right, and I very well could be wrong, I think the term "exculpatory" came from Sy Ray. At least originally. He was the one who said some of the data was missing, but what he had right now was exculpatory. He didn't elaborate.Has the question been answered, I would envision by BK’s attorney - if there is supposed evidence that the defense team and her client have not seen or been provided - exactly how does the attorney / her client know that it is ‘exculpatory’? MOO
That sounds feasible. My follow-up question is whether you think BK will take the stand. I think he won't, but this is an odd case.My only comment is that to establish such a train of facts, BK would need to testify. Only he could know that this is the "real explanation" for his DNA being on a KaBar knife. If he doesn't remember going to a store and touching a sheath, taking a knife out of its original packaging, etc, then it will be very hard to establish.
Personally, I think the amazon subpoenas have come back with some evidence.
No regular knife buyer would have known that BK was living near the murder, and was really taking chances (of course).
If the Defense can produce someone who says they went to a store that sells KaBar knives and then somehow lost track of where the knife was (and sterilized it before the loss?) then that person is a key witness. That person's testimony has to be provided in discovery, as well. This person needs to say that they bought the knife and then, for some reason, wore gloves every time they used it (and it had no store employee DNA on it - just hapless BK's, who only went in to look at knives). I don't think this is what happened and I think there will be evidence at trial showing that BK looked at knives online. Sure, he could also have touched one - but the chances of a random person then buying the knife (they couldn't know who touched it prior?) and then murdering 4 people in Idaho need to be PROVED. Someone has to provide evidence of such a transaction. A shop keeper. Someone.
The Amanda Knox case was not overturned merely due to "touch" DNA - the issues are much more complex than that. That was a case of multiple mixed samples - not the case here.
IMO.
possibly he left it outside somewhere- unlikely for anyone to find. Say in a hole in the dirt...and later picked it up. Other possibility is the tracking is bad because of the limited # of towers- he could have known there was a place he dropped calls and left it near there- IMO.I agree with all you've said here. It's just that Sy Ray claims he can show that BK was nowhere near when the murders occurred due to his phone location data.
That's why some here feel as though BK might have left his phone somewhere--to later provide an alibi for himself.
Has the question been answered, I would envision by BK’s attorney - if there is supposed evidence that the defense team and her client have not seen or been provided - exactly how does the attorney / her client know that it is ‘exculpatory’? MOO
Sy is claiming that the missing data is exculpatory. (Has the potential to be exculpatory.)If I'm right, and I very well could be wrong, I think the term "exculpatory" came from Sy Ray. At least originally. He was the one who said some of the data was missing, but what he had right now was exculpatory. He didn't elaborate.
Just one note -- Ray said, if the reports are true -- that what he's seen so far is exculpatory, not what's missing.Sy is claiming that the missing data is exculpatory. (Has the potential to be exculpatory.)
But AT hadn't even been able to show there IS missing data.
She has bandied about "CAST reports" plural but there is only one. There is a draft and a report. And because of her whole deal about windy.com, an investigator went back into reports and pulled out some information and provided it. It was irrelevant and nonevidentiary both.
I find it really important to remember that this isn't at trial. AT has to convince the judge for a jury to ever hear it. She has yet to produce an alibi defense that meets the threshold.
Long road to go.
JMO
possibly he left it outside somewhere- unlikely for anyone to find. Say in a hole in the dirt...and later picked it up. Other possibility is the tracking is bad because of the limited # of towers- he could have known there was a place he dropped calls and left it near there- IMO.
RSBM.... exactly how does the attorney / her client know that it is ‘exculpatory’?
Ray will testify that "Bryan Kohberger's mobile device was south of Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022; that Bryan Kohberger's mobile device did not travel east on the Moscow-Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13th, and thus could not be the vehicle captured on video along the Moscow-Pullman highway near Floyd's Cannabis shop."
Police obtained footage of a white Hyundai car, similar to Kohberger's, traveling on the Moscow-Pullman road after the killings.
That sounds feasible. My follow-up question is whether you think BK will take the stand. I think he won't, but this is an odd case.
And that hypothetical scenario was just one I dreamed up as an example of how touch DNA moves. Maybe the Defense would suggest (via DNA experts) something more like a possibility the killer was wearing gloves when he shook BK's hand (it was winter), transferred the touch DNA to the sheath, but then missed that tiny bit when wiping the sheath. All MOO
My thoughts are that Sy Ray's testimony the cellphone data is exculpatory (if that's what he testifies to), combined with transfer DNA, may be enough to put a single juror in doubt.
I certainly don't know, but given what I've been reading, that seems to be where they're heading. Maybe it will come down to just how good the state is. AT is good.
Thank you (and also many others) for the response and input! Very helpful and a lot to digest and understand for sure.RSBM.
"Bryan Kohberger's defense team has secured a cell phone data expert who will allegedly show that Kohberger was nowhere near the house in Moscow, Idaho where four college students were killed on the night in question"
Bryan Kohberger's Defense Receives Huge Boost
But. Mobile data from towers and GPS data from one's phone can tell different stories about one's location. Mobile tower data rely on towers nearby whereas GPS data come from satellites. GPS data is far more accurate. But GPS signal can struggle indoors, in dense urban areas with tall buildings, or under heavy tree cover where the satellite signals can be blocked or reflected. In terms of real-time updates, GPS is generally quicker and more precise. It's like having a live feed of your location, which is why it’s so good for navigation apps and activities that need constant location updates. Mobile tower data, meanwhile, can lag behind a bit, as it only updates your location when your phone connects to different towers. When it comes to privacy, both methods have their nuances. Mobile tower data is constantly being used by your phone, even when you’re not actively trying to figure out your location. This is handy for things like emergency calls or apps that provide location-based services. GPS, however, is something you usually control and turn on for specific apps that need precise location data, like maps or fitness trackers. In suburban area, mobile tower data is less accurate. If BK's phone had GPS turned off and the mobile coverage in the area was poor, accurately pinpointing his exact location would be challenging.
And from there, what next for AT?Thank you (and also many others) for the response and input! Very helpful and a lot to digest and understand for sure.
And paraphrasing from above…… maybe what the data demonstrates is that:
….. “secured a cell phone data expert who will allegedly show that Kohberger’s phone was nowhere near the house in Moscow, Idaho where four college students were killed on the night in question”
Emphasis / bold insertions & modifications added by me. MOO
RBBMRSBM.
"Bryan Kohberger's defense team has secured a cell phone data expert who will allegedly show that Kohberger was nowhere near the house in Moscow, Idaho where four college students were killed on the night in question"
Bryan Kohberger's Defense Receives Huge Boost
But. Mobile data from towers and GPS data from one's phone can tell different stories about one's location. Mobile tower data rely on towers nearby whereas GPS data come from satellites. GPS data is far more accurate. But GPS signal can struggle indoors, in dense urban areas with tall buildings, or under heavy tree cover where the satellite signals can be blocked or reflected. In terms of real-time updates, GPS is generally quicker and more precise. It's like having a live feed of your location, which is why it’s so good for navigation apps and activities that need constant location updates. Mobile tower data, meanwhile, can lag behind a bit, as it only updates your location when your phone connects to different towers. When it comes to privacy, both methods have their nuances. Mobile tower data is constantly being used by your phone, even when you’re not actively trying to figure out your location. This is handy for things like emergency calls or apps that provide location-based services. GPS, however, is something you usually control and turn on for specific apps that need precise location data, like maps or fitness trackers. In suburban area, mobile tower data is less accurate. If BK's phone had GPS turned off and the mobile coverage in the area was poor, accurately pinpointing his exact location would be challenging.
RBBM
I think that's a good explanation.
Of course, if the cell phone was turned off, which is what I personally suspect, it's just more fishing &/or spaghetti throwing by the defense, MOO.
I do puzzle over why he had his phone with him that night if the attack was planned. Personally, I keep going back to the heavy police presence near his apartment complex in the earlier hours & wonder if that unsettled him so he just forgot to leave his cell phone at home? He then realized his mistake at some point & just simply shut it off, MOO.
Seems possible to me, but that's just my sheer speculation.
Thank you (and also many others) for the response and input! Very helpful and a lot to digest and understand for sure.
And paraphrasing from above…… maybe what the data demonstrates is that:
….. “secured a cell phone data expert who will allegedly show that Kohberger’s phone was nowhere near the house in Moscow, Idaho where four college students were killed on the night in question”
Emphasis / bold insertions & modifications added by me. MOO
An Opening in Pullman PD.
IIRC, in summer 2023 BK provided CV & info/proposal to Pullman PD indicating interest in employment/project there. Or was it Moscow? Sorry, I've forgotten.
Anyway, see PPD facebook May 31 entry*
Could this be BK's chance???jk
Maybe not his dream job there, but a start?
Maybe BK could work remotely???jk
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* "City of Pullman Police Department
"Looking for an exciting career opportunity, a chance to make a positive difference in our local community, and a great team? Pullman PD is hiring a Code Enforcement Officer!
Learn more and apply today: pullman-wa.gov/jobs.
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