4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95
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arielilane
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I am confused by your post? It sounds inconsistent...
You said:
"Remember he is innocent until proven guilty."
"thought it interesting with BK's background that he'd pick a state that has the death penalty."
- We do have to remember a person is innocent until proven guilty
- If he's innocent why did he pick a death penalty state?
- Please do not read more into my posts - assuming or guessing?
- We do not know all of "BK's background"
- thank you in advance
- My post are matter of opinion, not fact
arielilane
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The judge overseeing the Bryan Kohberger case abruptly paused a hearing on the capital murder trial’s potential change of venue Thursday after an expert witness for the defense in a presentation showed content from social media in court.
Kohberger, a former Washington State University graduate student accused of killing four University of Idaho students, is scheduled for his capital murder trial in June 2025. Judge John Judge, who is overseeing the case in the 2nd Judicial District, heard arguments Thursday from both sides as to whether the trial should remain in Latah County, where the crime occurred.
news.yahoo.com
Thu, August 29, 2024 at 4:55 PM EDT
Kohberger, a former Washington State University graduate student accused of killing four University of Idaho students, is scheduled for his capital murder trial in June 2025. Judge John Judge, who is overseeing the case in the 2nd Judicial District, heard arguments Thursday from both sides as to whether the trial should remain in Latah County, where the crime occurred.
Judge halts Bryan Kohberger hearing in Moscow after defense shows social media posts
The judge in the Bryan Kohberger case became concerned when an expert witness called by the defense began sharing Facebook posts from the stand.
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The side by side between Latah and Ada makes me think the bias is relative. Surprisingly comparable to me. Seems like, if she were going to make the case, the trial would have to move a lot farther away.
I CAN see how a lot of potential jurors would be dismissed from the get go because of connections to the case. But they don't need to seat 600 jurors!
Will JJ split the difference and bus jurors in?
I think he will rely heavily on what he's said previously -- awareness does not equal impartiality.
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I CAN see how a lot of potential jurors would be dismissed from the get go because of connections to the case. But they don't need to seat 600 jurors!
Will JJ split the difference and bus jurors in?
I think he will rely heavily on what he's said previously -- awareness does not equal impartiality.
JMO
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Me too! I have strong reason to believe so.
arielilane
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Additionally, to add to my earlier post, an indictment does not mean a suspect is guilty - it means the grand jury determined there was enough evidence against BK to convict of the accused crime(s) at trial.
Of course the defense claimed the grand jury was biased - and claimed the prosecution withheld exculpatory evidence.
Judge denies Bryan Kohberger's motion to dismiss indictment based on jury instruction error
Judge John Judge said he can't do anything about existing laws that determine what the standard of proof is for a grand jury.
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You see defense will continue with whatever tactics they can think of at the moment to delay...
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arielilane
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Here is what happened when the Kohberger live feed was cut: defense expert showed social media he claimed show bias/ conspiracies. Clips including Nancy Grace to make point community has been infiltrated with media — some true, some exaggerated and that the trial must be moved.
5:21 PM · Aug 29, 2024
Here is what happened when the Kohberger live feed was cut: defense expert showed social media he claimed show bias/ conspiracies. Clips including Nancy Grace to make point community has been infiltrated with media — some true, some exaggerated and that the trial must be moved.
5:21 PM · Aug 29, 2024
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But why is that different than any other high profile case that gets media attention?
arielilane
Justice for Liz Barraza
Havent stopped thinking about the families of Kaylee, Maddie, Ethan & Xana since this hearing started.
Their poor families - my heart breaks for them - one day justice will be served.
Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle 20, & Ethan Chapin, 20
Their poor families - my heart breaks for them - one day justice will be served.
Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle 20, & Ethan Chapin, 20
arielilane
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Getting ready for the #Kohberger change of venue hearing. Defense wants murder trial moved to Ada County; state will argue to keep it in Moscow. Lots of media covering this today. Should start soon.
Live stream has begun in Latah County District Court. Judge John Judge is on the bench. Defense is starting arguments on pre-trial publicity and will be calling several witnesses about previous media coverage of Moscow murders.
First witness is James "Todd" Murphy, president of a media monitoring and analysis service. His company tracks feeds of online, print and broadcast reports. Murphy is from Nebraska.
Murphy says he purposely didn't follow case closely because he knew he'd likely be called to testify. I've paid very little attention to the media exposure, he says. Just found out Judge John Judge's last name last night, which sounds like he was "born for this role.”
His company has focused on media coverage since Feb. 15, 2023. Murphy mentions Moscow-Pullman Daily News, local TV news outlets and designated market areas that serve this region. Frequency of media coverage is tracked, along with demographics.
Circulation, viewership, everything is analyzed, Murphy says, including paywalls and access. Judge says defense's brief was 300 pages, and more reports will be entered into record. Info is collected in real time, such as stories about today's hearing.
Volume of media exposure in Latah County is 36%, compared to Idaho's population, which is about 3%, according to Murphy. Ada County had 34% exposure, compared to 26% population relative to all of Idaho.
In other words, Latah County had more #Kohberger case saturation than Ada County, Murphy says. Bannock and Canyon counties were also studied. Those counties had much smaller saturation rates, Murphy says.
Media coverage over time indicates Ada County got more coverage early on, but Latah County had the most exposure for the majority of time. Ada spiked during indictment, but Latah was more consistent up to August of this year.
This extreme story has "legs," in media terms. It will be of interest up to and beyond the conclusion of this case, Murphy says. However, across the country, interest typically decays a bit, but local interest will remain high. Significant hearings, such as this, cause upticks.
Now talking about Lewiston and Nez Perce County. Murphy says this area has the same saturation rate as Latah County.
State is now cross examining Murphy. His company was not tracking media when Kohberger was arrested in Dec. 2022. First six months of 2023, Ada County had more intense media coverage of the Moscow murders and Kohberger's arrest. Murphy agrees with that statement.
State confirms coverage between two counties is close, and Ada could surpass Latah again in number of stories about this case. Defense is now back up asking about Nielsen ratings. Comparing Spokane and Boise media markets, Spokane's is ranked higher, Murphy says.
Court is taking a quick break. Hearing will resume at 10:20 a.m.
Getting ready for the #Kohberger change of venue hearing. Defense wants murder trial moved to Ada County; state will argue to keep it in Moscow. Lots of media covering this today. Should start soon.
Live stream has begun in Latah County District Court. Judge John Judge is on the bench. Defense is starting arguments on pre-trial publicity and will be calling several witnesses about previous media coverage of Moscow murders.
First witness is James "Todd" Murphy, president of a media monitoring and analysis service. His company tracks feeds of online, print and broadcast reports. Murphy is from Nebraska.
Murphy says he purposely didn't follow case closely because he knew he'd likely be called to testify. I've paid very little attention to the media exposure, he says. Just found out Judge John Judge's last name last night, which sounds like he was "born for this role.”
His company has focused on media coverage since Feb. 15, 2023. Murphy mentions Moscow-Pullman Daily News, local TV news outlets and designated market areas that serve this region. Frequency of media coverage is tracked, along with demographics.
Circulation, viewership, everything is analyzed, Murphy says, including paywalls and access. Judge says defense's brief was 300 pages, and more reports will be entered into record. Info is collected in real time, such as stories about today's hearing.
Volume of media exposure in Latah County is 36%, compared to Idaho's population, which is about 3%, according to Murphy. Ada County had 34% exposure, compared to 26% population relative to all of Idaho.
In other words, Latah County had more #Kohberger case saturation than Ada County, Murphy says. Bannock and Canyon counties were also studied. Those counties had much smaller saturation rates, Murphy says.
Media coverage over time indicates Ada County got more coverage early on, but Latah County had the most exposure for the majority of time. Ada spiked during indictment, but Latah was more consistent up to August of this year.
This extreme story has "legs," in media terms. It will be of interest up to and beyond the conclusion of this case, Murphy says. However, across the country, interest typically decays a bit, but local interest will remain high. Significant hearings, such as this, cause upticks.
Now talking about Lewiston and Nez Perce County. Murphy says this area has the same saturation rate as Latah County.
State is now cross examining Murphy. His company was not tracking media when Kohberger was arrested in Dec. 2022. First six months of 2023, Ada County had more intense media coverage of the Moscow murders and Kohberger's arrest. Murphy agrees with that statement.
State confirms coverage between two counties is close, and Ada could surpass Latah again in number of stories about this case. Defense is now back up asking about Nielsen ratings. Comparing Spokane and Boise media markets, Spokane's is ranked higher, Murphy says.
Court is taking a quick break. Hearing will resume at 10:20 a.m.
arielilane
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Quick sidebar from me: Change of venue hearings are always interesting to reporters. It's kind of like a report card on how we did. Local media didn't sensationalize this case, in my opinion. It was one of the worst things to ever happen in our community and entire region.
Back on the record in Latah Co. District Court. State v. Kohberger continues. Next defense witness is Dr. Amani El-Alayli, a professor at EWU. She is a consultant and social cognition researcher.
She supports a change of venue for a fair trial. Emotions can reduce impartiality, El-Alayli says in her court report. This case took a substantial emotional toll on Latah County, she wrote. Defense attorney Anne Taylor is handling this questioning.
"Potential effects of media coverage on prospective jurors" is now being shown in court. The research shows pre-trial publicity is linked to outcomes, El-Alayli says. If someone is exposed to case, the tendency is it affects judgment in terms of likeability, criminality, guilt.
Media stories may provide easy decision shortcuts that can cause people to make judgments of guilt about Kohberger, she reports. Examples of headlines about the Moscow murders are being introduced, such as "Kohberger indicted by grand jury." Authorities can boost pre-trial bias.
Authority figures in a small community, such as Moscow, are typically trusted. For example, Chief Fry said he was certain the correct person was arrested, but no trial had taken place, the expert says.
UI President doubled down on saying the right person was arrested, and he is a trusted authority figure in this university town, she says. Pairing of defendant's name and photo with negative terms creates an automatic response, El-Alayli says.
Photos and ominous headlines can give jurors a bias as soon as they see Kohberger in court, the expert says. Media played a role in these emotional influences. There was motivation to believe that the police had arrested the correct person, she says.
That "sigh of relief" assumes he is guilty, she says. If you live in region where these four murders occurred, empathy for victims, fear and other factors can influence jurors. Once a person develops impressions about guilt, it can impede his/her ability to be a fair juror.
Confirmation bias and belief perseverance research indicates people tend to stick with their opinions, even when contradictory evidence is introduced, the EWU professor says.
Cognitive dissonance creates an inner clash, such as a conflict between community loyalty and belief in the defendant's innocence, El-Alayli says. They know the community wants closure, and reality can be distorted when this happens.
Expert says mitigating juror bias isn't feasible in Latah County. During jury selection, potential jurors may be unable to report exposure fully. It would be hard to find people who have not been exposed to this case or are unbiased, according to the testimony.
Kohberger's trial is expected to take three months, beginning on June 2. El-Alayli says jury instructions to disregard information are typically ineffective and can backfire. Factual or emotional pre-trial publicity still have influence, she says.
Jury deliberation does not undo pre-trial publicity effects, even when only some jurors were exposed, according to this researcher. Group leanings can become stronger with discussion. Recommended best practice: Use jurors who have less exposure and less reason for prejudgment.
In Latah Co, potential jurors have been to vigils, consumed media, had emotional experiences. Al-Alayli says jurors in this case should be as far away as Moscow as possible.
Quick sidebar from me: Change of venue hearings are always interesting to reporters. It's kind of like a report card on how we did. Local media didn't sensationalize this case, in my opinion. It was one of the worst things to ever happen in our community and entire region.
Back on the record in Latah Co. District Court. State v. Kohberger continues. Next defense witness is Dr. Amani El-Alayli, a professor at EWU. She is a consultant and social cognition researcher.
She supports a change of venue for a fair trial. Emotions can reduce impartiality, El-Alayli says in her court report. This case took a substantial emotional toll on Latah County, she wrote. Defense attorney Anne Taylor is handling this questioning.
"Potential effects of media coverage on prospective jurors" is now being shown in court. The research shows pre-trial publicity is linked to outcomes, El-Alayli says. If someone is exposed to case, the tendency is it affects judgment in terms of likeability, criminality, guilt.
Media stories may provide easy decision shortcuts that can cause people to make judgments of guilt about Kohberger, she reports. Examples of headlines about the Moscow murders are being introduced, such as "Kohberger indicted by grand jury." Authorities can boost pre-trial bias.
Authority figures in a small community, such as Moscow, are typically trusted. For example, Chief Fry said he was certain the correct person was arrested, but no trial had taken place, the expert says.
UI President doubled down on saying the right person was arrested, and he is a trusted authority figure in this university town, she says. Pairing of defendant's name and photo with negative terms creates an automatic response, El-Alayli says.
Photos and ominous headlines can give jurors a bias as soon as they see Kohberger in court, the expert says. Media played a role in these emotional influences. There was motivation to believe that the police had arrested the correct person, she says.
That "sigh of relief" assumes he is guilty, she says. If you live in region where these four murders occurred, empathy for victims, fear and other factors can influence jurors. Once a person develops impressions about guilt, it can impede his/her ability to be a fair juror.
Confirmation bias and belief perseverance research indicates people tend to stick with their opinions, even when contradictory evidence is introduced, the EWU professor says.
Cognitive dissonance creates an inner clash, such as a conflict between community loyalty and belief in the defendant's innocence, El-Alayli says. They know the community wants closure, and reality can be distorted when this happens.
Expert says mitigating juror bias isn't feasible in Latah County. During jury selection, potential jurors may be unable to report exposure fully. It would be hard to find people who have not been exposed to this case or are unbiased, according to the testimony.
Kohberger's trial is expected to take three months, beginning on June 2. El-Alayli says jury instructions to disregard information are typically ineffective and can backfire. Factual or emotional pre-trial publicity still have influence, she says.
Jury deliberation does not undo pre-trial publicity effects, even when only some jurors were exposed, according to this researcher. Group leanings can become stronger with discussion. Recommended best practice: Use jurors who have less exposure and less reason for prejudgment.
In Latah Co, potential jurors have been to vigils, consumed media, had emotional experiences. Al-Alayli says jurors in this case should be as far away as Moscow as possible.
arielilane
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Next witness is Dr. Bryan Edelman, who conducted a survey in Latah Co. He is a trial consultant with an extensive background in social psychology and research. Defense is going over his resume right now. Impact of media coverage is his focus.
Edelman says people have well-developed attitudes in a high-profile case like this, rather than being blank slates. Taylor is taking him through field research findings, media habits, and case knowledge. People who know a lot of detail more likely to think defendant is guilty.
Judicial remedies do not eliminate pre-trial publicity effects, such as voir dire or court instructions, Edelman says. (He is now referencing research and case studies.) Negative stories have a significant effect on jurors, he says, based on an experiment.
Jurors who haven't been exposed to media develop opinions based on evidence. In high-profile cases, they already have opinions about guilt, Edelman says. Cell tower data, a vehicle, DNA results are part of coverage in this case, and it helps confirm their beliefs.
Edelman mentions Nancy Grace, who sat a desk in front of Kings Road house where murders occurred. Sensational reports can impact jurors, he says. His first research step is to subscribe to local newspapers.
In Latah Co., 240 articles were published in Daily News and Argonaut. He also included Lewiston Tribune, adding another 200 articles. Kohberger case had 444 articles in a population of about 40,000 people, he says.
This case has generated significant content and discussion on social media, including Facebook groups dedicated to Moscow murders, Edelman says.
This case has captured the public's attention, Edelman says. His search of Moscow murders on Facebook is scrolling, and judge is asking for it to not be presented. This is what we're trying to avoid, he says. Brief break now in progress as attorneys go off the record.
Court is going to take a break and come back at 1:30 p.m. The live stream will be disabled for the first 10 to 15 minutes, but the families of the victims can still observe, judge says. Prosecutor says it's a reasonable compromise.
Next witness is Dr. Bryan Edelman, who conducted a survey in Latah Co. He is a trial consultant with an extensive background in social psychology and research. Defense is going over his resume right now. Impact of media coverage is his focus.
Edelman says people have well-developed attitudes in a high-profile case like this, rather than being blank slates. Taylor is taking him through field research findings, media habits, and case knowledge. People who know a lot of detail more likely to think defendant is guilty.
Judicial remedies do not eliminate pre-trial publicity effects, such as voir dire or court instructions, Edelman says. (He is now referencing research and case studies.) Negative stories have a significant effect on jurors, he says, based on an experiment.
Jurors who haven't been exposed to media develop opinions based on evidence. In high-profile cases, they already have opinions about guilt, Edelman says. Cell tower data, a vehicle, DNA results are part of coverage in this case, and it helps confirm their beliefs.
Edelman mentions Nancy Grace, who sat a desk in front of Kings Road house where murders occurred. Sensational reports can impact jurors, he says. His first research step is to subscribe to local newspapers.
In Latah Co., 240 articles were published in Daily News and Argonaut. He also included Lewiston Tribune, adding another 200 articles. Kohberger case had 444 articles in a population of about 40,000 people, he says.
This case has generated significant content and discussion on social media, including Facebook groups dedicated to Moscow murders, Edelman says.
This case has captured the public's attention, Edelman says. His search of Moscow murders on Facebook is scrolling, and judge is asking for it to not be presented. This is what we're trying to avoid, he says. Brief break now in progress as attorneys go off the record.
Court is going to take a break and come back at 1:30 p.m. The live stream will be disabled for the first 10 to 15 minutes, but the families of the victims can still observe, judge says. Prosecutor says it's a reasonable compromise.
arielilane
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@newsfromkerri
Judge is back for afternoon session of this change of venue hearing in State v. Kohberger.
No stream yet. Once it resumes, you can view what’s happening on @judgejohnjudge’s YouTube channel or follow along here.
Edelman back on the stand talking about telephone survey methodology. Taylor is handling questioning on behalf of defense.
Interesting findings on screen: Believe Bryan Kohberger is guilty of murder? Latah: 67% yes; Ada: 68% yes.
Edelman is saying even though those numbers are basically the same, Ada County isn’t as invested in this case, less people there have made prejudgments, he says.
Murders were more shocking to residents in Moscow, expert says. He’s saying there are more personal connections to the crime here than in Boise.
He read all the local coverage. Survey questions designed to trigger memories of what they’ve seen, read or heard about the case.
People are closely following the case, and 77% believe he’s guilty of murder, Edelman says. Prospective jurors in Latah County are talking about it. Rumors spread through community.
Latah County residents lived in an elevated state of fear during the search for the suspect, Edelman says. This crime shattered sense of security and devastated community.
40% of residents who know about case visited or walked by 1122 King Road house. The media coverage has undermined the presumption of innocence, Edelman reports.
More than half of the prospective jurors want death penalty. There will be community pressure on a Latah County jury to convict, Edelman says.
Community and personal connections to case less in Ada, Canyon and Bannock counties. Edelman says people in those counties are less likely to have made prejudgments. Ada County is largest county in state. Latah is 11th in population.
He’s going through survey results. No data to suggest people exposed to prejudicial coverage can set it aside, Edelman says.
His opinion is Latah County can’t seat a fair and impartial jury in this case. Presumption of guilt prevails in this community, Edelman says.
On break until 3:20 pm.
Judge is back for afternoon session of this change of venue hearing in State v. Kohberger.
No stream yet. Once it resumes, you can view what’s happening on @judgejohnjudge’s YouTube channel or follow along here.
Edelman back on the stand talking about telephone survey methodology. Taylor is handling questioning on behalf of defense.
Interesting findings on screen: Believe Bryan Kohberger is guilty of murder? Latah: 67% yes; Ada: 68% yes.
Edelman is saying even though those numbers are basically the same, Ada County isn’t as invested in this case, less people there have made prejudgments, he says.
Murders were more shocking to residents in Moscow, expert says. He’s saying there are more personal connections to the crime here than in Boise.
He read all the local coverage. Survey questions designed to trigger memories of what they’ve seen, read or heard about the case.
People are closely following the case, and 77% believe he’s guilty of murder, Edelman says. Prospective jurors in Latah County are talking about it. Rumors spread through community.
Latah County residents lived in an elevated state of fear during the search for the suspect, Edelman says. This crime shattered sense of security and devastated community.
40% of residents who know about case visited or walked by 1122 King Road house. The media coverage has undermined the presumption of innocence, Edelman reports.
More than half of the prospective jurors want death penalty. There will be community pressure on a Latah County jury to convict, Edelman says.
Community and personal connections to case less in Ada, Canyon and Bannock counties. Edelman says people in those counties are less likely to have made prejudgments. Ada County is largest county in state. Latah is 11th in population.
He’s going through survey results. No data to suggest people exposed to prejudicial coverage can set it aside, Edelman says.
His opinion is Latah County can’t seat a fair and impartial jury in this case. Presumption of guilt prevails in this community, Edelman says.
On break until 3:20 pm.
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