4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

[Trebor5591]

His reasoning Maddie was the target is only that the killer went to her room first. Of course, none of us were there or saw what happened, so IMO, it is conjecture.

Does Blum explain how Kolberger knew where Maddie's room was? Because even if he was stalking her from afar, I don't think he would have known where her bedroom was, IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

Honestly, based on what I have read that has been officially released:. BK was ALMOST the smartest buy in the room... but the DNA is the tiny little detail that he missed that will have fingered him in the end. If he had not left any DNA, I don't think 1) they would have identified him as the prime suspect and 2) certainly not had enough probable cause to arrest him, let alone have enough evidence to convict him. I believe he would have gotten away with murder.

So, he covered his tracks VERY VERY WELL.. .both ahead of time and after the fact. But those skin cells left on the knife sheath snap, well, he certainly missed that and should have submerged the knife and sheath in alcohol. But it is too late now and he will learn the harsh realities that, at best, he will spend the rest of his (presumably) long life in prison.

There was enough probable cause for the Arrest Warrant without including the DNA which they didn't.

If for some reason the DNA evidence was inadmissible then the Arrest Warrant and Search Warrants and getting BK's DNA would still stand.

The witness statement, phone, car, are strong evidence by themselves. Enough for probable cause but not sure about the reasonable doubt standard.

2 Cents

 

[Gemmie]

Does Blum explain how Kolberger knew where Maddie's room was? Because even if he was stalking her from afar, I don't think he would have known where her bedroom was, IMO.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that BK knew where Maddie's room was. It's not hard to come to that conclusion when you can see straight into her room from the street.



SS taken from this video: Idaho university murders: Police search wooded area behind home where four students were fatally stabbed

Pink cowboy boots of murdered Idaho student seen in window

Madison Mogen, 21, was brutally stabbed to death on November 13 with three of her Idaho University housemates by a killer whose identity remains a mystery.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Trebor5591]

So, he covered his tracks VERY VERY WELL.. .both ahead of time and after the fact. But those skin cells left on the knife sheath snap, well, he certainly missed that and should have submerged the knife and sheath in alcohol. But it is too late now and he will learn the harsh realities that, at best, he will spend the rest of his (presumably) long life in prison.

Actually, he should have attached the knife sheath to his belt. Kay-bar sheaths have loops for threading through a belt. Kohberger must have carried the knife sheath in his pocket instead, or even worse, in his hand--sloppy planning on his part. Because when he started his attack, one of the girls must have pulled it out while desperately trying to fight him off in the dark. He didn't notice and he lost the knife sheath with his touch DNA on it under one of the girl's bodies JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Does Blum explain how Kolberger knew where Maddie's room was? Because even if he was stalking her from afar, I don't think he would have known where her bedroom was, IMO.

Her bedroom is eye level from the road behind the house. He went 11 times to Moscow late night early morning and would have been able, under the cover of darkness, to look at her window and see the letter M she displayed. Could see inside if shade was up.

This type of murder usually sees some escalating behavior beforehand, such as being a peeping Tom or creeping around inside homes. He probably practiced how to get into the house and he could have crept around finding her room beforehand.

Pink cowboy boots of murdered Idaho student seen in window

Madison Mogen, 21, was brutally stabbed to death on November 13 with three of her Idaho University housemates by a killer whose identity remains a mystery.

www.dailymail.co.uk

After I posted this I see Gemmie posted the same photo above.

 

[Justice101]

Actually, he should have attached the knife sheath to his belt. Kay-bar sheaths have loops for threading through a belt. Kohberger must have carried the knife sheath in his pocket instead, or even worse, in his hand--sloppy planning on his part. Because when he started his attack, one of the girls must have pulled it out while desperately trying to fight him off in the dark. He didn't notice and he lost the knife sheath with his touch DNA on it under one of the girl's bodies JMO

I think he deliberately left it there. He would have known it was terribly awkward to hold the sheath in other hand or put in his pocket to where it could fall out. To only have a few cells INSIDE the upturn of the female snap button and nowhere else tells me he cleaned the sheath extensively.

I personally think he wanted to be known as the knife sheath killer. Wanted to have a trade mark so to speak.

Just my opinion again.

 

[Megnut]

What did he do with the knife, that he didn't accidentally cut himself, with no sheath? I suppose he could have thrown it loose in his trunk.... but he should have realized then he had no sheath....

I do wonder if he went back in, silently, but couldn't find it....

Or was confident enough he'd scrubbed it enough.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I do hope LE has bright, shiny footage of him at a car wash.

Criminals think they're invisible.

They're not.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Her bedroom is eye level from the road behind the house. He went 11 times to Moscow late night early morning and would have been able, under the cover of darkness, to look at her window and see the letter M she displayed. Could see inside if shade was up.

This type of murder usually sees some escalating behavior beforehand, such as being a peeping Tom or creeping around inside homes. He probably practiced how to get into the house and he could have crept around finding her room beforehand.

View attachment 516316

Pink cowboy boots of murdered Idaho student seen in window

Madison Mogen, 21, was brutally stabbed to death on November 13 with three of her Idaho University housemates by a killer whose identity remains a mystery.

www.dailymail.co.uk

After I posted this I see Gemmie posted the same photo above.

And as we saw from all the DM photos... Just about all the windows seemed to be left unshaded. If this was usual practice, anyone surveilling the house or stalking any of its inhabitants would have a good idea which rooms had occupants. That, combined with the real estate photos of the interior, I don't think anyone would have too much trouble finding their way around, especially with the neon signs left on at all times to give ambient light.

MOO

 

[schooling]

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that BK knew where Maddie's room was. It's not hard to come to that conclusion when you can see straight into her room from the street.

View attachment 516314

SS taken from this video: Idaho university murders: Police search wooded area behind home where four students were fatally stabbed

View attachment 516315

Pink cowboy boots of murdered Idaho student seen in window

Madison Mogen, 21, was brutally stabbed to death on November 13 with three of her Idaho University housemates by a killer whose identity remains a mystery.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If I remember correctly there are press night shots that demonstrate (IMO) just how clearly he could see inside.

And as we saw from all the DM photos... Just about all the windows seemed to be left unshaded. If this was usual practice, anyone surveilling the house or stalking any of its inhabitants would have a good idea which rooms had occupants. That, combined with the real estate photos of the interior, I don't think anyone would have too much trouble finding their way around, especially with the neon signs left on at all times to give ambient light.

MOO

3D walkthroughs and photos of the layout were available on all major real estate websites. They appeared to be taken (IMO) right after the reported renovations.

BK could have memorized the layout without issue. We bought our house site unseen and it was a similar walkthrough that made us confident enough to put in an offer.

The pictures and walkthrough were subsequently taken down after the crime. The 3D walkthroughs were then recreated by True Crime websites.

 

[Cool Cats]

Actually, he should have attached the knife sheath to his belt. Kay-bar sheaths have loops for threading through a belt. Kohberger must have carried the knife sheath in his pocket instead, or even worse, in his hand--sloppy planning on his part. Because when he started his attack, one of the girls must have pulled it out while desperately trying to fight him off in the dark. He didn't notice and he lost the knife sheath with his touch DNA on it under one of the girl's bodies JMO

Never occured to me that another scenario is a victim pulled out his sheath. Hummm.....
Would have her DNA or print though. I can't find where it says the sheath had no other DNA on it. Are we assuming? Mentioned many times in thread.

I think he deliberately left it there. He would have known it was terribly awkward to hold the sheath in other hand or put in his pocket to where it could fall out. To only have a few cells INSIDE the upturn of the female snap button and nowhere else tells me he cleaned the sheath extensively.

I personally think he wanted to be known as the knife sheath killer. Wanted to have a trade mark so to speak.

Just my opinion again

It is very odd that he wouldn't notice the sheath missing, especially if he was going to put the knife back in it and dispose of the knife and sheath together. If he saw it missing while in the house he would have looked for it, not wanting to leave evidence I assume.

So I agree he could have put it under his victim on purpose to tamper with the crime scene by making it look like a military person did it, then watch LE and newscasts discussing it. A jail inmate said BK likes to watch his Case on TV.

The problem with leaving a "calling card" at multiple crime scenes is that it helps LE because the killer is letting LE know that he is guilty of murdering more people. Another problem is copy-cat killers where a different unknown killer leaves a "calling card" ( knife sheath) that frames BK, thus taking the investigation down a rabbit hole.

2 Cents

 

[Gemmie]

Never occured to me that another scenario is a victim pulled out his sheath. Hummm.....
Would have her DNA or print though. I can't find where it says the sheath had no other DNA on it. Are we assuming? Mentioned many times in thread.

I haven't seen it mentioned that there was more than 1 person's DNA on the sheath. Only single source.

DNA evidence was found on the Ka-Bar knife sheath that came from a single source that was male.

Bryan Kohberger's DNA matches evidence found at Idaho murder scene: Court docs

DNA collected from Bryan Kohberger is a match for evidence found at the Moscow, Idaho, crime scene where four University of Idaho students were murdered.

abcnews.go.com

@10ofRods has a lot of posts about single source DNA which can be found here: Search results for query: single source dna

One of their shorter posts is: "Yes. It's in the PCA. Single source. That means only ONE profile."

Source: 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #88

Another good post of 10ofRods on the topic: 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #88

 

[Cool Cats]

I haven't seen it mentioned that there was more than 1 person's DNA on the sheath. Only single source.

DNA evidence was found on the Ka-Bar knife sheath that came from a single source that was male.

Bryan Kohberger's DNA matches evidence found at Idaho murder scene: Court docs

DNA collected from Bryan Kohberger is a match for evidence found at the Moscow, Idaho, crime scene where four University of Idaho students were murdered.

abcnews.go.com

@10ofRods has nearly 100 posts about single source DNA which can be found here: Search results for query: single source dna

One of their shorter posts is: "Yes. It's in the PCA. Single source. That means only ONE profile."

Source: 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #88

Another good post of 10ofRods on the topic: 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #88

I thought single source touch DNA applies to the specific DNA sample taken. It is touch DNA because the DNA is not found in blood, sweat, spit etc....But instead it is found simply on a surface like a fingerprint Simply by the killer touching it.....thus...it is a single source because it is left by touch only

Thanks for these good links.

 

[Gemmie]

I thought single source touch DNA applies to the specific DNA sample taken. It is touch DNA because the DNA is not found in blood, sweat, spit etc....But instead it is found simply on a surface like a fingerprint Simply by the killer touching it.....thus...it is a single source because it is left by touch only

Thanks for these good links.

I don't know. Calling @10ofRods to the rescue! They'll likely know the answer.

 

[whiterhino]

I thought single source touch DNA applies to the specific DNA sample taken. It is touch DNA because the DNA is not found in blood, sweat, spit etc....But instead it is found simply on a surface like a fingerprint Simply by the killer touching it.....thus...it is a single source because it is left by touch only

Thanks for these good links.

RBBM The DNA is epithelial cells fwiw!

 

[whiterhino]

I think he stabbed them because he knew it would be quieter than shooting and more effective than strangling.

The knife he used was wayyyy more than really needed. So much so, that he brought his own with him.

To be able to actually slash someone to death is an even higher level of evil. It is about as vicious as one can imagine

From what I understand, the knife was quite large and would have done a lot of harm without much force. JMO that knife may have been chosen because it's "efficient" and would take less effort (time & energy) than other weapons. Again, JMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

RBBM The DNA is epithelial cells fwiw!

Fancy word for skin...LOL

What is RBBM?

 

[Gemmie]

Fancy word for skin...LOL

What is RBBM?

Respectfully Bolded By Me (which they did in your post they Quoted).

 

[whiterhino]

Fancy word for skin...LOL

What is RBBM?

Yes it is lol! I'm just saying epithelial as opposed to other types of DNA like body fluids or hair etc. Also yes as above rbbm is respectfully bolded by me

 

[snooptroop88]

I think he stabbed them because he knew it would be quieter than shooting and more effective than strangling.

The knife he used was wayyyy more than really needed. So much so, that he brought his own with him.

To be able to actually slash someone to death is an even higher level of evil. It is about as vicious as one can imagine

Thank you on this! Every single commentator I've seen on this case mentions the knife is "more personal," it's "more intimate." Maybe so, but he'd of course want the knife so he could flee successfully. Had gunshots been ringing out at 4am, even in that "party house" area, lights would have gone on, eyes at windows, LE would have been fairly quick on the scene. He used a knife because he wanted to live to kill another day. This is also why I don't think he left that sheath there on on purpose. Maybe, maybe to mislead LE in some way and it backfired. But I doubt it, I tend to think he just bungled it up. I also don't think he saw the surviving roommate who was lucky and smart enough to keep her wits about her and lock her door. MOO.

On a highly speculative note, I've wondered if that big thud you hear in the background on neighbor's audio might have been the dog gone into a frenzy and knocking over something very, very large and heavy in the bedroom where he was found. (Again, highly speculative, but have always wondered on this as a possibility.)