4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #95

[Cool Cats]

All this DNA talk reminded me of how DNA from three other unidentified males was found at the crime scene, including on a glove found outside. Does anyone else remember hearing that? Any guesses at to why those DNA samples weren't tested? The court hearing I believe on 8/18/2023 Anne Taylor asked for the results and Thompson claimed they never did the test so there was nothing to share with her. Seems odd if you ask me? Especially since they said it was male DNA. How would they know it was male DNA if they didn't test the DNA?

I linked an article but if you google it you can easily find what I am talking about.


Bryan Kohberger's defense claims Idaho murders suspect has 'no connection' with victims

The Idaho State Lab did test the samples to see if they had any DNA, not all samples contain DNA. The lab also tested the samples to see if they were male or female and to see if there was a DNA match to Kohberger. They are male samples not related to Kohberger.

What they did not do is run it through CODIS ... 2 Cents

Inside the Hunt for the Idaho Killer (Published 2023)

After four students were stabbed to death in a house near a college campus, investigators scooped up data and forensic evidence, hoping for leads. A new DNA technique finally brought a breakthrough.

www.nytimes.com

Through the first two weeks of December, investigators put some of their focus on classmates of the victims; they also widened the search to examine a man in another state who had been known to send harassing messages to women but had visited Idaho only twice in his life.

They looked at a woman previously charged with assaults in the region. They looked at a man once accused of wielding a knife. They looked at sex offenders. They looked at a white supremacist. Each turned out to be a dead end.

 

[Swansee]

When is JJJ supposed to rule on this motion for COV?
IIRC there's a scheduled hearing about it but I can't remember when that is.

 

[PinkParis2052]

 

[Mortalwombat1218]

What does everyone make of the four of them having different injuries? According to the PCA Xana had wounds caused by an edged weapon, Ethan had sharp-force wounds, and the other two had stab wounds. PCA link

MOO, between this and the other info we are privy to at this point, I am almost convinced there was at least one other besides BK involved. How many others and the extent of involvement I’m not sure, but I just have a nagging suspicion that this was not a one man job.

 

[PinkParis2052]

When is JJJ supposed to rule on this motion for COV?
IIRC there's a scheduled hearing about it but I can't remember when that is.

I think that it will take one week after the change of venue hearing before JJJ puts his ruling in writing. I would be surprised if he denies the request.

 

[Cool Cats]

I could agree with you, if I didn't live in Moscow. It's been very challenging since the murders and a change of venue would be great for morale, not to mention my own perspective. People don't believe that they are biased, but I believe that I am and it would be very difficult to be impartial knowing what we experienced as a community.

Others might assert they can be unbiased. However, when I have seen change of venue situations elsewhere, I always have figured that the judge knows the impacts and it was the best decision for the situation and to avoid appeals. I can look at it from the reverse side of the situation, but it takes more work mentally to be comfortable. JMOO.

I thought the change of venue would be more for logistics, this is why the prosecution filed the Motion to have the trial in the summer. First it was summer 2024, now it is summer 2025...Logistics still a problem but better when school is out.
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[MeadowMuffin]

MOO, between this and the other info we are privy to at this point, I am almost convinced there was at least one other besides BK involved. How many others and the extent of involvement I’m not sure, but I just have a nagging suspicion that this was not a one man job.

I have to respectfully disagree with this.

1. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
2. IMO BK is a lone wolf. I can't fathom his personality type to trust anyone, or to take anyone into his confidence.
3.DM only saw 1 man in the hallway as he was leaving.
4. Again, IMO, but the scenario I can most envision is BK going upstairs to MM's room first with the intention of perhaps SA but definitely killing, and surprised at finding KG there, stabs both. Then on his way down he somehow encounters XK who is entering her room, wakes up EC by saying "There's someone here" loud enough to bother DM. EC goes to defend XK, has his jugular slashed. BK then fights XK til she's incapacitated. I just don't see 1 killer going to MM room and another one going to XK room. Nor 1 following the other up that narrow staircase.
5. Locard's exchange principle. It's difficult enough for 1 person to try not to leave any evidence behind or take anything with you, but 2 people compounds the issue.

 

[ilovewings]

I have to respectfully disagree with this.

1. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
2. IMO BK is a lone wolf. I can't fathom his personality type to trust anyone, or to take anyone into his confidence.
3.DM only saw 1 man in the hallway as he was leaving.
4. Again, IMO, but the scenario I can most envision is BK going upstairs to MM's room first with the intention of perhaps SA but definitely killing, and surprised at finding KG there, stabs both. Then on his way down he somehow encounters XK who is entering her room, wakes up EC by saying "There's someone here" loud enough to bother DM. EC goes to defend XK, has his jugular slashed. BK then fights XK til she's incapacitated. I just don't see 1 killer going to MM room and another one going to XK room. Nor 1 following the other up that narrow staircase.
5. Locard's exchange principle. It's difficult enough for 1 person to try not to leave any evidence behind or take anything with you, but 2 people compounds the issue.

Totally agree with your post - BK did this all by himself- Thank goodness he left the sheath behind or he may have gotten away with this crime.

 

[Cool Cats]

BK's attempt at an alibi is weak, but it's likely the best AT can do. He removed hos phone from his apartment so she can't put him to bed. She obviously doesn't have a place where B,K was or even Could Have Been. IMO, that's why she wants, not just the full CAST discovery, but all the data that the CAST analysis drew from.

IMO this is what her hired gun is for, to find the blackholes, the areas where there is no video coverage so she can attempt to layer cellphone coverage atop it in order to locate somewhere, anywhere where she can say BK was.

She's in essence and IMO asking for something that doesn't exist. The absence of data. Just exactly how would the State honor that? Attempt to construct an alibi for her client? Because there WILL be gaps. No cctv coverage, poor cellular coverage, tower roaming, overwritten CCTV, motion triggered CCTV that did or didn't trip. Grainy cctv and no license plate or an unreadable one. Could thst be his car? Could it not be his car? Can you be sure?

The State seems to be accommodating her wherever they can. Like the recent website nonsense -- site archives live DOT images -- but didn't capture anything relevant. Whole lotta nothing.

Did BK's vehicle take that route? Maybe. Unrecorded. But maybe he took another route. The State was careful not to commit because it's not critical to their case, how he hot there, just that he did.

We're seeing what we're seeing because BK didn't leave AT a workable defense.

JMO

The jury will want to know where he was at 4 to 4:30 am.

All they will get are a jumble of possibilities and maybes. If he was here he couldn't have been on King Rd at 4 to 4:30 am....etc....

BK himself is bolstering the prosecution's case even better than the prosecution could, he put himself in a position where it is reasonable to conclude he was in Moscow.

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I have to respectfully disagree with this.

1. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
2. IMO BK is a lone wolf. I can't fathom his personality type to trust anyone, or to take anyone into his confidence.
3.DM only saw 1 man in the hallway as he was leaving.
4. Again, IMO, but the scenario I can most envision is BK going upstairs to MM's room first with the intention of perhaps SA but definitely killing, and surprised at finding KG there, stabs both. Then on his way down he somehow encounters XK who is entering her room, wakes up EC by saying "There's someone here" loud enough to bother DM. EC goes to defend XK, has his jugular slashed. BK then fights XK til she's incapacitated. I just don't see 1 killer going to MM room and another one going to XK room. Nor 1 following the other up that narrow staircase.
5. Locard's exchange principle. It's difficult enough for 1 person to try not to leave any evidence behind or take anything with you, but 2 people compounds the issue.

Yes.

And cops say BK is the only perp. AT would have a field day if she could pin this on someone else.

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[Cool Cats]

Hopefully, there will be more DNA evidence or other proof of BK's presence inside 1122 King Rd. It is unfortunate that we have to wait until the trial to find out if there is or isn't. The small amount of evidence we know about thus far, IMO, is not enough for a conviction.

Small amount of evidence? I have never heard anyone say that about this case. There is so much evidence that AT had mentioned having someone help her organize it. This is a 3 month trial because of all the evidence and hundreds of witnesses, AT mentioned 400 witnesses but then lowered that amount.

Latah County Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings said prosecution has given the defense a 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences. She claimed that the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office have not given prosecution all of the evidence the defense is requesting.

Moscow Police Det. Brett Payne was called to the witness stand by the defense. He testified that thousands of hours of surveillance footage were collected during the investigation into Kohberger. The videos came from 79 businesses and residences.

Anne Taylor asked for documents pertaining to Kohberger’s cellphone location data,
the determinations a forensic analyst made about the make and model of the suspect’s vehicle,
training schedules for three Idaho State Police officers involved in the investigation,
body and dashcam footage related to the search warrant at Kohberger's Pennsylvania residence,
lab testing results,
notes and recordings from the Moscow Police Department,
all police reports and audio/video evidence related to Kohberger's arrest and detainment in Pennsylvania.

Hundreds of pages of redacted warrants and warrant returns,
Latah County prosecutor case filings,
records from some of the biggest companies in social media,
shopping store records,
banking records,
telecommunications records.

Search warrants to AT&T,
Verizon Wireless,
T-Mobile,
Inland Cellular — a regional carrier that operates in north-central Idaho and southeastern Washington,
history of all the devices that pinged cell towers within a half-mile radius of the Moscow home and
defense received the bulk of the data within just a couple of days and began to pore over the GPS coordinates of cellphones and other devices on the nearby networks,
Taylor questioned a Moscow police detective about the preparation of visual cell phone logs and methods for searching for certain videos.

Cell phone tower and radio frequency experts to partially corroborate his proposed alibi that he was out driving west of Moscow.

The judge allowed surveys conducted with potential jurors to continue “without modification” after temporarily pausing them,
timeline of how police began to focus on Kohberger,
the judge ruled to allow unnamed “defense investigators” to view the genetic genealogy evidence.

PCA...Potential witnesses.....

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Idaho State Crime Lab
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)
Technical Specialist in digital devices
Technical Specialist in digital media
Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272846045.html

The latest pre-trial developments in the case of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger - KVIA

By Eric Levenson, CNN (CNN) — The defense team of Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in their off-campus home in 2022, filed a memorandum Monday in support of moving the case out of town, saying he can’t receive a fair trial in Latah County “because of...

kvia.com

Bryan Kohberger's attorney fights with prosecutors over evidence

"As of May 4, 2023, Counsel for Mr. Kohberger has not received the requested materials," a court document said.

www.newsweek.com

Kohberger lawyers say getting evidence 'like we are living in a snow globe'

Bryan Kohberger's legal team called two witnesses to prove their claim that prosecution is withholding evidence.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Panniniclaus]

MOO, between this and the other info we are privy to at this point, I am almost convinced there was at least one other besides BK involved. How many others and the extent of involvement I’m not sure, but I just have a nagging suspicion that this was not a one man job.

It looks like the work of more than one but knowing what we know, it just seems he wouldn't be able to connect with someone for a coffee let alone working a quadruple homicide together.

I wonder if he fancied himself a serial killer? Normal life by day, killer by night and make a life of it.

 

[Megnut]

It's both startling and chilling that it happened so fast, bookended by the door dash delivery and X's TikTok on the inside edge and DM seeing him leave. A matter of very few minutes.

IMO it was not a coordinated crime, neither with multiple perps nor one organized perp. For a student of criminology, his planning was choppy. Hence, the mountain of evidence despite his deliberate attempt at countermeasures.

IMO his calculus depended on a dark house. Everyone asleep. Not unlike LE ambush arrests. 3 am, the bewitching hour, when everyone is asleep. (LE in PA probably didn't expext their target would be awake, at table, sorting detritus, for their middle of the night raid.) BK, was probably already off his own schedule, with his loops.

IMO he didn't calculate for overnight guests, light sleepers, hungry sleepers.

If everything had gone according to plan (my theory of his mission), he would have been in and out in mere minutes. One target.

It would have been a nearly silent crime, stealth his forte. I still say there was a sexual component to it -- it may have been thwarted by two victims when he expected only one. We can only guess what might have transpired if MM was alone in her bed. (BK is a headcase in deviance -- stabbing as a surrogate for penetration, SA at knifepoint, or something I hadn't considered before, necrophilia. He went to that house, intent on violence, to what extent, we won't know unless LE uncovered a stash of *advertiser censored* which paints the picture.

Targeted, precise, silent.

The job for one.

JMO

 

[ilovewings]

Small amount of evidence? I have never heard anyone say that about this case. There is so much evidence that AT had mentioned having someone help her organize it. This is a 3 month trial because of all the evidence and hundreds of witnesses, AT mentioned 400 witnesses but then lowered that amount.

Latah County Deputy Prosecutor Ashley Jennings said prosecution has given the defense a 50-terabyte hard drive, more than 13,000 photographs, more than 15,000 video clips from businesses and more than 8,000 video clips from residences. She claimed that the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office have not given prosecution all of the evidence the defense is requesting.

Moscow Police Det. Brett Payne was called to the witness stand by the defense. He testified that thousands of hours of surveillance footage were collected during the investigation into Kohberger. The videos came from 79 businesses and residences.

Anne Taylor asked for documents pertaining to Kohberger’s cellphone location data,
the determinations a forensic analyst made about the make and model of the suspect’s vehicle,
training schedules for three Idaho State Police officers involved in the investigation,
body and dashcam footage related to the search warrant at Kohberger's Pennsylvania residence,
lab testing results,
notes and recordings from the Moscow Police Department,
all police reports and audio/video evidence related to Kohberger's arrest and detainment in Pennsylvania.

Hundreds of pages of redacted warrants and warrant returns,
Latah County prosecutor case filings,
records from some of the biggest companies in social media,
shopping store records,
banking records,
telecommunications records.

Search warrants to AT&T,
Verizon Wireless,
T-Mobile,
Inland Cellular — a regional carrier that operates in north-central Idaho and southeastern Washington,
history of all the devices that pinged cell towers within a half-mile radius of the Moscow home and
defense received the bulk of the data within just a couple of days and began to pore over the GPS coordinates of cellphones and other devices on the nearby networks,
Taylor questioned a Moscow police detective about the preparation of visual cell phone logs and methods for searching for certain videos.

Cell phone tower and radio frequency experts to partially corroborate his proposed alibi that he was out driving west of Moscow.

The judge allowed surveys conducted with potential jurors to continue “without modification” after temporarily pausing them,
timeline of how police began to focus on Kohberger,
the judge ruled to allow unnamed “defense investigators” to view the genetic genealogy evidence.

PCA...Potential witnesses.....

Assistant Chief - Washington State University Police Department
Idaho State Police (ISP)
Idaho State Police Forensics Services
Idaho State Police Detectives
Idaho State Crime Lab
Moscow Police Department Officers (MPD)
WSU Police
FBI Forensic Examiner - 35 years with LE and 12 years with the FBI
Moscow Police Department Sergeant - 22 years with previous homicide investigations
Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Corporal (CPL)
Technical Specialist in digital devices
Technical Specialist in digital media
Cell Site Location Information (CSLI)
Cellular Analysis Survey Team (CAST)
Othram (Genetics)
CODIS

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article272846045.html

The latest pre-trial developments in the case of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger - KVIA

By Eric Levenson, CNN (CNN) — The defense team of Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in their off-campus home in 2022, filed a memorandum Monday in support of moving the case out of town, saying he can’t receive a fair trial in Latah County “because of...

kvia.com

Bryan Kohberger's attorney fights with prosecutors over evidence

"As of May 4, 2023, Counsel for Mr. Kohberger has not received the requested materials," a court document said.

www.newsweek.com

Kohberger lawyers say getting evidence 'like we are living in a snow globe'

Bryan Kohberger's legal team called two witnesses to prove their claim that prosecution is withholding evidence.

www.newsweek.com

Wow- I am impressed with your knowledge of this case!!!
I am bummed though that this will not go to trial until next year---

 

[Tealgrove]

Yes, agree. If nothing major is able to be disallowed by the defense, this case is pretty straight forward.

That's why many of us wondered why no plea deal. Maybe one wasn't offered or BK is that stubborn.

I don’t think BK has it in his DNA to walk quietly into prison. He wants to be heard and needs to be heard. He needs to prove he’s right about everything.

Can’t imagine he’d plead guilty.

He lives for this attention.

MOO

 

[ilovewings]

I don’t think BK has it in his DNA to walk quietly into prison. He wants to be heard and needs to be heard. He needs to prove he’s right about everything.

Can’t imagine he’d plead guilty.

He lives for this attention.

MOO

I believe he will never admit he committed this crime, and, as you point out, in addition he loves the attention "all this for me????" -he is no doubt in his glory- probably doesn't even mind being in jail

 

[Occam's Zebra]

MOO, between this and the other info we are privy to at this point, I am almost convinced there was at least one other besides BK involved. How many others and the extent of involvement I’m not sure, but I just have a nagging suspicion that this was not a one man job.

Disagree. Those "different injuries" are different descriptions of injuries caused by one weapon: the knife. MOO this was a one-man crime.

 

[Justice101]

I personally feel like BK has told him family that he did not do it and the guilt of having to admit it stopping him from ever being truthful and/or taking a plea agreement.

He can always claim to his family that he was wrongfully convicted. I think he is that stubborn.